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Quote# 104803

Have you guessed why I’m buying every copy of Are You My Mother? I can get my hands on?

Well, I believe it’s only a matter of time until this beloved classic is banned, because it’s based on these highly controversial ideas:

1. Everyone has a mother.

2. Everyone, especially a baby, has a unique, primal connection to his mother

3. Separation from his mother may lead to wondering where she is, and eventually to searching for her.

In case you haven't noticed, these views are under siege. Those who believe in them are called ugly names. They're considered intolerant and hateful. They're on the wrong side of "the biggest civil rights issue of our time."

[...]

So you see, this little book is heresy. Mark my words - It will disappear from libraries and bookstores. It may even go up in flames - think Fahrenheit 451.

Just a few will remain, but the book will have tremendous historical interest. (Some collectors may even value its moldy views on family, although they won't date say so.)

So there it is: low supply, high demand...and yours truly hits the jackpot.

My next money making scheme? I'm glad you asked. When I'm finished with Are You My Mother, I'll move on to buying all the copies I can find of Dr Seuss' Hop on Pop. Unless, of course, you grab them first.

Dr. Miriam Grossman, Miriam Grossman MD 45 Comments [11/20/2014 4:04:54 AM]
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Quote# 104802

“If that were true [that I have a God-given conscience], my conscience would match the morality of the Bible, but it doesn't. Would your innate morality tell you to keep the Sabbath holy, if you had never heard of the Bible?” Madeleine Tudor

Conscience can easily be silenced. Many dull its voice and commit adultery and theft without a sense of guilt. Others even rape and murder and have no remorse. However, your question about the Sabbath is a good one.

I’m sure that you know that ignorance of the law is no excuse. You can violate civil law without knowing it and still be prosecuted, and the same applies with the moral Law. You may be ignorant of the fact that because God gave you your life, He requires that you give Him back one day in seven. But your ignorance of the Law is no excuse. Did you know that we are commanded to love God with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength? Have you done that? It gets even worse. God’s Law commands that we be morally perfect (see Matthew 5:48).

Now you know the Law. Now you know how much you have sinned against God by violating the First of the Ten Commandments. Add to that lying, stealing, blasphemy, adultery, plus the many sins of the heart that God sees--such as lust, selfishness, hatred, greed, envy, etc., and you will suddenly see your need of God’s mercy. Once you have His forgiveness through trust in Jesus, you will have everlasting life given to you as a free gift (see Romans 6:23).

Ray Comfort, Facebook 33 Comments [11/20/2014 4:04:02 AM]
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Quote# 104799

Thoughts are correlated with physical events, namely synaptic activity in the brain. But that doesn’t mean that thoughts are merely synaptic activity in the brain, or that thinking ultimately comes from the brain, even though the brain is involved in thinking while we are alive. From a Christian perspective it is easy to show this. For one thing, we will continue to have thoughts even after death – after our brain ceases any activity at all (Luke 16:22-25). Logic cannot be material because it is not extended in space; you cannot see, hear, taste, touch, or smell logic. It’s not physical.

In the Christian worldview, we can have things like logic because we allow for non-material things to exist. God Himself is non-material. Logic is the way that God thinks. And since we are made in God’s image, our mind has awareness of logic and a limited ability to use logic to reason.

Jason Lisle, Jason Lisle's blog 28 Comments [11/20/2014 3:59:06 AM]
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Quote# 104796

What you wont see published ANYWHERE except here is the fucking sick woman hating TRUTH! LESLIE FEINBERG WAS MURDERED!!!!

- MURDERED BY A CONFORMIST SOCIETY!
- MURDERED BY A COMMUNITY HELL BENT ON CONFORMITY!
- MURDERED BY A WOMAN HATING SOCIETY!
- MURDERED BY GAYS, LESBIANS AND TRANS WHO NEARLY ALL SUPPORT FEMALE HATRED AND SELF HATRED!
- MURDERED BY THE PSYCHIATRIC COMMUNITY!
- MURDERED BY THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY!
- MURDERED BY DECADES OF TESTOSTERONE USE SUPPLIED AND SUPPORTED BY THE PSYCHIATRIC/MEDICAL/TRANS COMMUNITY!
- MURDERED BY COUNTLESS FANS WHO SUPPORTED HER FEMALE SELF HATRED!
- MURDERED BY THE IDIOTS SUPPORTING FEMALE HATRED/SELF HATRED UPDATING FEINBERG'S DEATH ON WIKI CALLING HER EVEN IN DEATH ZE!

I wont grieve for the leslie feinberg in those news articles. I grieve for Diane Leslie Feinberg, Butch lesbian, whose fear and female shame never were resolved, seen through their worst so that she could later flower into full bloom, bringing every eye lain upon her Butch born beauty, to tears.

[Leslie Feinberg identified as a transgender lesbian, used male, female, and gender-neutral pronouns, and died of complications of Lyme disease.]

dirt, The dirt from Dirt 27 Comments [11/20/2014 3:57:52 AM]
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Quote# 104793

I know you said to excluded meeting Jesus but...

..I have been so infatuated with the story of the woman who cried on Jesus' feet and wiped them with her hair.
(Luke 7:36-50 ?) I just want to do that. I just want to lay at His feet and worship Him!
And the Father, I don't know if we will be able to touch Him. I want to highly show my appreciation of Him. To really elaborate on that I need to go into my history with "father figures". I'll let it be.

RoyalNChrist, Rapture Ready 25 Comments [11/20/2014 3:56:19 AM]
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Quote# 104792

Ladies, God gives you a monthly reminder of the need for penance from you. You have condemned humanity to death by way of your intrinsic sinful nature. Thank goodness God manifested in the form of a man, Jesus Christ to offer us redemption for Eve's transgressions.
The women of The Compound voluntarily retire to the menstruation quarters during menses for a time of reflection and atonement. Bless them for doing the right thing.
Ephesians 2:5
"made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved."

Disciples of the New Dawn, Facebook 35 Comments [11/20/2014 3:55:39 AM]
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Quote# 104783

Emily B overcame major “computer” challenges and remained a loyal TTT member, her thoughts:

It’s been a blessing to be on the TTT committee with so many great Americans. As my first experience reviewing I felt it was an opportunity to make a difference in the lives of millions of school children. It did take time but it was worth every minute. I homeschooled my own children in the seventies and have seen a rapid decline in material available. Some of the more shocking entries in the five textbooks I reviewed include the following:

The United States is a democracy, evolution is a fact, Islam taught the equality of all before Allah, Allah is the Universal Lord, Muslims repressed hatred, Muslims were not prepared for the barbarity of the Christian Crusades, Muhammad raised the status of women, Muslims respect the contributions of Jesus, Muslims repressed hatred and Islamic civilization surpassed Europe in skilled artisans, sciences and medicine.

On a political note: possible sexual improprieties on the president’s part referring to Bill Clinton, abortion demonstrators were depicted as peaceful while pro-lifers were violent and bomb throwers, Democrats viewed as positive, Republicans as flawed, Planned Parenthood given a good report, population explosion was out of control, excessive condemnation of Europeans and Americans concerning slave trade, “it’s easy to get depressed about climate change”, in a free enterprise system producers are motivated by self-interest, 9/11 terrorist not identified as Islamic, and commercial drilling in Mexico is risky, It can cause earthquakes.

Mao, Hitler, Stalin, and Marx are referred to as either successful or powerful leaders. Very little said about their brutal mentality and murderous escapades. In a time line, Russia is credited with winning the space race. No mention of America putting the first man on the moon. Gorbachev praised as beginning reform programs to end the Cold War. No mention of Reagan’s historic speech, “Mr. Gorbachev…” Hillary Clinton given a glowing report and Reagan not mentioned. (We were told the publishers “inadvertently” left out President Reagan).

Included in photos were four pictures of mosques with no pictures of churches, a picture of many country’s flags with no American flag, dead women and children strewn on a path in Viet Nam with the caption; “victims of American soldiers”. A series of videos were available including one titled “Are mites having sex on my face?” All videos were preceded by 30-60 second advertisements. A disturbing idea proposed in the last book promoted Common Core throughout including having the eleven year olds matched with adult pen-pals from around the world. What was left out was also surprising, for example in the discussion of the Alamo, Santa Anna was mentioned but not Bowie, Crockett or Houston.

Emily B , Truth in Texas Textbooks: Reviewers' Testimony 68 Comments [11/19/2014 3:57:06 AM]
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Quote# 104780

Is a political ideology that believes in equality by force, or social destruction of traditional or different views, fit to make any form of policy?

The Liberal version of "equality" is unfit to make ignorant and dictatorial policy. So yes, a political ideology in fact exists that is unfit. This is the crux of why Conservatives cannot stand the Left. You cannot force someone to change who they are, yet they argue this when it is convenient for them, IE LGBT issues. They claim it is ignorance to believe in tradition, yet they systematically exterminate anyone who has a differing view. How is this equality? It is not, it is evil. It is a lie. Conservatives are called "bigots", "racists", "uneducated", "supremicists", "insane", "ignorant", "rednecks", the list goes on and on. I have never seen a Conservative cast the first stone in a simple conversation. The ideology of the Left is that of Orwellian dominance, slavery. It is proven by what they teach the kids. Just yesterday, my 5 year old sister came home and said "My teacher says it's not polite to say anything about the president". She goes to a Jewish preschool at our local temple. This sinful filth that has permeated society, IE drugs, crime, haphazard sex, forced acceptance of homosexuality and attempts to destroy traditional marriage, babies being murdered simply because it is "inconvenient", not on rape and incest. The Mayans were truly correct on the end of the world. It comes with the Left. The slavery isn't gone. It's now in the heart, mind, and soul.

Tes95, Debate.org 33 Comments [11/19/2014 3:55:50 AM]
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Quote# 104774

Well, this has truly evolved (the kind of evolution I can believe in).

I was asked about "Kinds", the word and concept predates the culture of evolution by several hundred years.
Lately, the naturalists are confused by what it means.

When you go to get an ice cream, you are asked what KIND you want.
You specify vanilla and you do not get chocolate.

Neither do they become one or the other over millions of years.
If you have a dog, you might be asked what KIND of dog you have?
Pretty simple isn't it.
The genetic code is what? Silly putty?

professor, AtheistForums.org 62 Comments [11/18/2014 4:28:52 AM]
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Quote# 104772

Is rape a proper ground for getting a divorce?

Of course not I would never divorce my husband for raping me. If he feels the need to rape me that must mean I'm not having sex with him often enough, and as his wife I'm obligated to have sex with my husband whenever he wishes, so why should I think that divorcing him is merited just because he raped me?

OLevasque, Debate.org 72 Comments [11/18/2014 4:27:45 AM]
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Quote# 104770

["how about you publish some of the horror stories caused by the tragedy of illegal abortion?"]

This would be no different than publishing horror stories caused by the tragedy of illegal rape. Trying to justify the legality of an act of inhumanity on the basis that those who commit those acts may get hurt in the process is hardly compelling.

cultureshift, In Defense of the Defenseless 25 Comments [11/18/2014 4:26:54 AM]
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Quote# 104767

(a review of "The Theory of Everything")

First off, I don't mind Stephen Hawking - definitely a smart guy, and I respect him for the atrocious disease he has. But I certainly don't think he's wise -concerning his remarks of "There is no Heaven" and "There is no God". Well, Hawking, if you evolved by chance, then that means your brain evolved by chance also, right? Now if your brain evolved by chance, that means your processes of logic also evolved by chance; so if your logic evolved by chance, you can't be sure it evolved the right way—you don't even know if you're saying the right words!

And I definitely did not ASK for a feature film about his life; nor that it was made by Hollywood, to add all the classic "HollyWEIRD" formulas into it, always wanting to add in a little bit of cursing, always wanting to add a little bit of sexual innuendos, and especially a little bit of bias.

This movie features one of my LEAST favorite actors Eddie Redmayne, who I thought was embarrassing in the musical "Les Miserables" (though the 1998 Liam Neeson version is a whole lot better, in terms of story.)

Anyways, in terms of the tension of this movie, did you know that every single piece of "evidence" to argue in favor of evolutionism has been either disproven, or discovered to be fraud? Even an evolutionist has to admit that fact. The man is Dr. Kent Hovind and if you watch some of his videos he will show you where, evolutionists themselves admit their "facts" are false, or at least have been disproven with science. Evolutionism is not Science as there are no facts to prove it. Evolution is theory and religion (because you must believe in it) only. Natural Selection IS a science, but changes are LIMITED within the animal kinds; all in all, it's not about "evolution".

Why are you guys trying to jam your religion down my throat, via Hollywood films, and tell me how to run my life? The religion of secular humanism is shoved down the throats of billions of kids worldwide and evolutionism is an integral part of that. But I don't suppose you have a problem with that, do you? Let me know when Hovind goes house to house and drags people to his seminars.

Just go to YouTube and search up Dr. Kent Hovind's videos - I watched them in Science and was BLOWN away!

1. Nearly all branches of Science were started by creationists (Isaac Newton, Edward Blyth, Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Carl Linnaeus, Raymond Damadian, etc.) 2. The evolution theory has added nothing to the advancement of Science – it's useless. 3. When students or professors fear expressing their conclusions under threat of being flunked, demoted, fired, or ostracized – Science is suppressed.

I was saying that Evolution is a faith-based worldview, not observational "Science", believe that the scientific evidence better supports the Biblical record than it does the unscientific worldview of Evolutionism.

Science proves, you *cannot* get a fossil unless you BURY IT ALIVE!! If you just left something dead on the ground, it'll either rot, rust, die, breakdown, or other organisms will come & eat it! And the obvious question should be, "Where's all this dust coming FROM???" "What's the evidence for a worldwide flood?" Answer: Billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth!

Charles Darwin himself thought a cell in your body was simple little sack of jelly - now today, we know that a cell is MORE complex than a Space Shuttle, or any satellite ever put out by NASA.

Trust me when I say that Darwinian evolutionism is a carefully-protected state religion surviving on tax dollars - waste of money! Just think of all the billions of dollars being wasted by the governments trying to prove evolution when the living Lord God Jesus Christ has already revealed our true origins through His Word - and there *IS* evidence and conformation for that.

By simple definition, "religion" is a belief without proof or evidence

and the theory of evolution matches that quite well! There has

*never* been one spadeful of dirt that has ever disproven the Bible. And there are people trying to BLEND evolution and the Bible together, when both world views are POLAR opposite on every level; why should we take a perfectly good Bible, which has never been proved wrong, and compromise it with a dumb theory that has never been proved right??

There is a principle in Science: you can have any theory you want, but if the FACTS don't square with your theory, throw your theory away! They would've thrown out Darwinist theories of evolution a long time ago, except they don't have a replacement theory other than Creation.

Evolution has been taught to control & dumb down society. Evolution is indoctrination and not part of Science. Nearly all the founders of the basics of Science were Bible-believing creationists; they believed that anyone who studies true Science will be drawn to the Creator, and Satan has worked really hard in the field of "Science" to draw people away from the Creator. Satan is using dinosaurs to make people doubt . But dinosaurs were the original "dragons" in history, that's how they fit it. :)

In the end, just another just subtle anti-Science propaganda movie

2/10

eragonbookfan, IMDb 50 Comments [11/18/2014 4:26:20 AM]
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Quote# 104765

Then the Lord says women are not to wear men's clothing (which would definitely include pants). Women who wear pants do not love their neighbour, because they are selfishly causing men to struggle with lust (and thus causing marriage problems for other women). The basis of all the Scriptures, and also God's judgment of every individual in Heaven, will be upon the basis of whether or not we loved God and our neighbour as our self. Also, notice that God forbids men from wearing women's clothing. It is wrong when Christian men wear dresses for church youth skits. God forbids cross-dressing, even at church for a seemingly good reason.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 33 Comments [11/18/2014 4:06:29 AM]
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Quote# 104764

Atheistic science is riddled with self-contradictions. A few examples are:

• atheistic science denies the existence of the unseen, while simultaneously admitting that the entire universe began from the unseen.
• atheistic science promotes the implausible existence of black holes with a religious fervor. Disproved by quantum mechanics, black holes have been discredited most recently by Stephen Hawking, but atheistic science soldiers on in denial of basic logic.
• atheistic science has no plausible theory for the origin of the Moon, and the lunar landing disproved all of its prior theories.

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia 33 Comments [11/18/2014 4:06:23 AM]
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Quote# 104760

The scores for the new Pokémon X and Y games have been very positive but some disagree. The Satanist’s Sect of America has given a fairly negative review of the games saying Nintendo did not do their best to recruit new Satanists with X and Y.spoonandsatanbothstartwithsMany have claimed that Nintendo’s long-running Pokémon series has satanic or anti-Christian properties that have corrupted children since 1998 starting with Pokémon Red and Blue in America. The Satanists’s Sect of America has no qualms admitting that the series does indeed recruit children on the most recent Satan’s Calling podcast giving their review of Pokémon X and Y. The following is a transcript from Monday’s podcast:

Priestess Evir: So, let’s talk about Pokémon X and Y. I know many listeners are awaiting our review of these games. After all, many claim that this is the key to finally revolutionizing the Satanist movement. Unfortunately, I don’t think it will happen.

Master Osias: I have to agree. Nintendo gave us our review copies last Wednesday and I have been going through X while Evir has been playing Y. They’re fun and I don’t doubt children would love playing it too, but they’re probably not going to be converted anytime soon.

Evir: There have been many changes to the game but maybe we should begin with the starting Pokémon.

Osias: Yes, let’s. I think Nintendo is still the best at hiding Pokémon‘s true intentions even if the intentions weren’t executed the best. For example, the new fire starter.

Evir: Yeah, she shows her true colors in the second and third evolutions.

Osias: I agree, she is a classic Satanist Pokémon. Unfortunately, she’s the only one in the game that I feel could corrupt children. And speaking of the starting Pokémon, they brought back the original three: Charmander, Squirtle and Bulbasaur.

Evir: Those took me back. Way back. I remember when those games came out and our sect grew so quickly. Now it’s kind of like a funny reminder of how things used to be. I don’t think Chamander has that quality anymore that made children become Satanists back in the 90s. It’s nice for us oldies to reminisce on, but it’s just nostalgia, nothing more.

Osias: They even introduced a new evolution for Alakazam called Mega Alakazam. Unfortunately, it does not reintroduce the star that is lost when Kadabra evolves into Alakazam that made children so fascinated by pentagrams way back when. All this nostalgia for nothing.

Evir: Let’s move on from the subject and talk about one of the more exciting features of the game.

Osias: Out of all the disappointment Nintendo has caused, they did give us a glimmer of hope for the next Pokémon games with the introduction of the fairy type.

Evir: Fairy is clearly code for Satanic, there’s no other way to interpret that.

Osias: And the Pokémon they chose to become fairies all have magical Satanic abilities like Jigglypuff and Clefable. It’s a masterstroke by Nintendo as I think the next game will have tons of fairies.

Evir: In a way, X and Y are probably setting the stage for the next Pokémon games.

Osias: Sort of. I think the reason we actually decided to review these games was because Nintendo tried real hard this time after years of dormancy in supporting Satanists.

Evir: Agreed. But there’s still a long way to go if they ever want to make a new Pokémon Red or Blue. The sky battle feature is a clear affront to God since it’s about Satanic monsters fighting in heaven. But I have a feeling it will not show up again in future games.

Osias: And they pushed that 3D effect so much which would have worked great to brainwash children. Then they chickened out with the 2DS. One step forward, two steps back. Typical Nintendo.

Evir: We have to give Pokémon X and Y a six out of ten. Now, this week’s selected chantings by Osias."

The two later commented again about the games saying that Nintendo might not actually be targeting children with Pokémon X and Y. Evir reasoned that no adult could possibly be playing the game simply like a children’s game and that Nintendo is only trying to restore the faith of ex-Satanists.

Jack, P4R Gaming 20 Comments [11/18/2014 4:05:28 AM]
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Quote# 104759

In a rare interview with Pokémon creator Satoshi Tajiri, he admits that the games were created as a backlash against his Christian parents. He also says that the games are tailored towards an anti-Christian sentiment or Satanism.

The interview, conducted by Time about the continued success of the Pokémon series, took a sharp left turn when Tajiri was asked about the inspiration for the games. The following is an excerpt from the interview:

Time: What inspired you to start making the Pokémon games?

Tajiri: Well, my parents were Christians. I grew up being taught the ways of that religion. When I got older, I started to realize that the things they said were foolish and I guess I rebelled a little.

Time: How did you rebel?

Tajiri: I started to argue against their teachings. They tried to punish me in various ways to try to get me under control, but it didn’t work. This is when I was inspired by nature and started the basis for the Pokémon games.

Time: Could you explain how your parent’s religion is connected with the games?

Tajiri: Well, when I got old enough, I wanted to do something that would show the world that my parents were wrong. Something I saw in nature was the concept of evolution which my parents vehemently denied existed. This sparked the idea for a game that would go against everything my parents believed in.

Time: This game being Pokémon, correct?

Tajiri: Yes. Pokémon is essentially the correct answer towards life, not Christianity. Everything presented in the game is the opposite of what Christians may believe. Some have said that the game promotes voodoo or magic, and I agree in the sense that there are many things that occur in nature that are unexplainable. Furthermore, the violence in the games is unparalleled. It may not show up in the actual graphics, but the brutality is made especially explicit in the Pokédex entries. Nature, again, played a big role.

Time: So those who say that the game is anti-Christian are correct?

Tajiri: I suppose so. I mean, some could say that the game supports Satanism. I don’t officially celebrate it, but I can understand why people would be attracted to it."

Nintendo refused to comment on the interview.

Jack, P4R Gaming 24 Comments [11/18/2014 4:05:20 AM]
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Quote# 104756

By the way, fossils of sea critters are found on mountains and whale bones are discovered in a dessert.
How did they get there? And why do you not know about it?

professor, AtheistForums.org 48 Comments [11/17/2014 4:13:38 AM]
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Quote# 104753

THE DEFENDERS OF OBAMA DO NOT KNOW GOD,MAME. THEY ARE ALL ON KOOLAID THAT YOU WOULD NOT AS A CHRISTIAN UNDERSTAND. AS THEY SAY YOU OBUMMERS WAIT FOR IT! YOU TOO SHALL SEE. AND WHAT IS IT WITH THIS WOMENS NAME. NO ONE EVER HAD THE SAME NAME ON EARTH AS A TV PERSONALITY? THEY WILL SAY BUSH DID IT ANYWAY. SLIME BALLS CREATING AN ENTITLEMENT SOCIETY AND LOVING IT. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID. HOPE THIS LADY DOES NOT SUFFER. BUT GIVE IT TIME THERE WILL NOT BEAN INTERNET FOR THOSE KOOLAID DRINKERS. WAIT FOR IT..

Marilyn Busby, American News 40 Comments [11/17/2014 4:13:22 AM]
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Quote# 104748

The death of the male children would insure the extermination of the Midianites as a people and keep them from ever again seducing Israel to sin. Only the young girls who were virgins would be allowed to live and assimilated into the nation of Israel. Our politically correct sensibilities bristle at such a description, but the death of the Midianites was not commanded capriciously for the sake of heartless cruelty and the securing of material gain. God was bringing swift and deserving punishment upon a wicked nation that reveled in their sin against God and His holy people

Fred Butler, hip and thigh 36 Comments [11/17/2014 4:08:08 AM]
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Quote# 104743

Hell; Lake of FireAngelica Elizabeth Zambrano Mora of Equador claims that when she was 17, she died for 23 hours and was personally given a tour of heaven and hell by Jesus. Her mother, a devout Christian, says the girl died but admits that she did not call a doctor because she wanted to give God 24 hours to bring Angelica back to life.
The Christian devotee says that there were all kinds of people in hell, including her relatives and famous people. Kids who play Pokeman or watch too much TV are in hell. She alleges that demons are running all over the place, back and forth from hell to earth, turning people from the lord. She claims that she saw Jesus weeping profoundly because he couldn't do anything about it.
Among the celebrities Angelica says she saw being tormented were:
Pop musician Selena, who supposedly "would scream and demons would hurl spears from afar into her body and she would cry, 'Help me, Lord, have mercy on me, Lord!' But the Lord told her, 'It is too late.'"
Pope John Paul II, tormented for eternity 'because he did not repent' and had amassed a great deal of wealth. According to Angelica, "He had a large serpent with needles, wrapped around his throat, and he would try to take it off. I pleaded with Jesus, 'Lord, help him!' The man would scream, 'Help me, Lord; have mercy on me; take me out of this place; forgive me! I repent, Lord; I want to return to Earth, I want to go back to Earth to repent.' The Lord observed him and said to him, 'You very well knew. You knew very well that this place was real…It's too late; there is no other opportunity for you.'"
Michael Jackson was in hell, according to the Christian girl, because he made a pact with the devil to become famous. She warns, "Anyone who listens to Michael Jackson's songs or sings them or who is a fan of Michael Jackson, I warn you that satan is trapping you in his web so that you will end up in hell. Right now, renounce it in the name of Jesus! Jesus wants to set you free, so that you will not be lost."
Thousands and thousands of people are choosing to walk straight to hell, the young doomsdayer proclaims on her website, and that demons hold meetings in hell, plotting out their attacks.
The young woman then goes on to describe the rapture, which seems almost as bad as hell:
Daughter, I am going to show you something: How I am coming to Earth for a holy people. I am going to show you how the day of the Rapture will be." We walked to a place with a giant screen, and I saw people in it. I could observe the whole world. Then suddenly I saw thousands of people disappearing. Pregnant women had their pregnancy disappear ,and they looked like they had gone crazy screaming.
Children had disappeared from all over. Many people were running from here to there, screaming, "This can't be, this can't be! What's happening?"
I saw those who had known the Lord, that were left behind. They were saying that Christ had come, the Rapture happened. They screamed and wanted to kill themselves, but they couldn't. The Lord told me, "Daughter, in those days, death will flee; Daughter, in those days the Holy Spirit will no longer be on Earth." There were accidents but I didn't see a single dead person: all of them were alive, although injured.
After the Rapture I, observed enormous traffic with thousands of people. He told me, "Daughter, look, this is how everything will happen." I then saw people running from one place to another, shouting, "Christ came, Christ came!" They would plead, "Lord, forgive me, forgive me, take me with You!" But sadly the Lord said, "It's too late. The time to repent is now."
Angelica has apparently turned to preaching the gospel along with her schooling. She has a Spanish language video which tells people that they need to repent. Her story is popular on Christian websites.

Angelina Zombrano, God Discussion 31 Comments [11/17/2014 4:03:12 AM]
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Quote# 104742

Question: "How is the Islamic idea of jihad different from the violence in the Bible?"

Answer: Immediately following the horrific terrorist attacks on 9/11, many Westerners began to take notice of Islam for the first time. Many were shocked to find out that Islam’s holy book (the Koran) provides specific injunctions to engage in acts of violence as part of the “holy war” (jihad) in the cause of their religion. Soon many secular thinkers began to draw comparisons between Islamic terrorist attacks and the violence found in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. But are these comparisons valid? Are the commands of Yahweh to the Israelites in the Old Testament the same as jihad as prescribed in the Koran? What is the difference between the violence found in the Bible and Islamic understanding of jihad?

To answer this question, we must define what we mean by “jihad.” The word jihad means “striving” or “struggle.” Within Islam, there are several categories of jihad. The word can be used to describe various types of struggles such as “jihad of the pen” (which would involve persuasion or instruction in the promotion of Islam) or “jihad of the heart” (a battle against one’s own sin). However, the most well-known form of jihad is that which involves physical violence or warfare in the cause of Islam. While the Koran does contain passages that encourage Muslims to engage unbelievers with grace and persuasion (Sura 16:125), the Koran contains other verses that appear to command Muslims to engage in offensive physical warfare against non-Muslims.

In Sura 9 we read, “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful” (Sura 9:5). Also in Sura 9, “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29).

In addition to the teachings of the Koran, Muslims also follow the Hadith, a supposedly inspired record of Muhammad’s words and actions. The Hadith explains how Muhammad instructed his commander when sent out on an expedition, “When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to [accept] Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” (Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4294).

But what about the violence commanded by God in the Old Testament? Is that any different? The most often-discussed episodes of violence in the Old Testament are Yahweh’s command for the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites and return to the land that He had promised to them. When assessing these incidents, we must understand the context in which these events took place. The Canaanites were a brutal and wicked culture that frequently engaged in incredibly decadent behavior. As Christian author Norman Geisler put it, “This was a thoroughly evil culture, so much so that the Bible says it nauseated God. They were into brutality, cruelty, incest, bestiality, cultic prostitution, and even child sacrifice by fire. They were an aggressive culture that wanted to annihilate the Israelites.”

By ordering the destruction of the Canaanites, God enacted a form of corporate capital punishment on a people that had been deserving of God’s judgment for some time. God had given the Canaanite people over 400 years to repent (Genesis 15:13–16). When they did not, the Lord used the Israelites as an instrument of judgment on an evil and deeply depraved society. The Canaanites were not ignorant as news of God’s awesome power had reached them (Joshua 2:10–11; 9:9). Such awareness should have driven them to repentance. The example of Rahab and her family is a sure proof that the Canaanites could have avoided their destruction if they had repented before Israel’s God (Joshua 2). No person had to die. God’s desire is that the wicked turn from their sin rather than perish (Ezekiel 18:31–32; 33:11). We must also remember that Yahweh did not sanction all of the wars recorded in the Old Testament, and that all of the wars that were specifically commissioned by Him beyond the time of Joshua were defensive in nature. A number of the battles that Israel fought on the way to and within Canaan were also defensive in nature (Exodus 17:8; Numbers 21:21–32; Deuteronomy 2:26–37;Joshua 10:4).

The more difficult question, however, has to do with Yahweh’s command to kill all of the Canaanites, including the women and children. In response to this, two points need to be kept in mind. First, while the Bible reads that such a command was given, it may well be the case that no women or children were actually killed. All of the battles would probably have involved only soldiers where women and children would likely have fled. As Jeremiah 4 indicates, “At the noise of horseman and archer every city takes to flight; they enter thickets; they climb among rocks; all the cities are forsaken, and no man dwells in them” (Jeremiah 4:29).

Moreover, Deuteronomy 7:2–5 uses the phrase “utterly destroy” immediately followed by “you shall not intermarry among them,” highlighting the fact that, at least in some instances, the biblical authors may have employed the rhetorical exaggeration (e.g., “all that breathes,” “utterly destroy,” etc.) common to ancient Near East military accounts. This leaves open the possibility that these phrases may express some degree of hyperbolic language, and thus, that no non-combatants were actually killed. The text nowhere explicitly narrates any women or children actually being killed in these battles.

Second, even if we interpret the text to mean that children were killed, this may have been God’s way of ensuring that these children would be saved and immediately brought into His eternal kingdom. The Scripture implies that all children who die before an age of moral accountability will enter heaven (2 Samuel 12:23; Matthew 19:14). Had God allowed these children to grow up in such a vile and heinous culture, these children would likely have grown up into something like their parents and been condemned to hell after they died. God knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), and we are simply not in a position to question God as to what is best. Since God is the Giver of life, only He has the right to take it.

In conclusion, we have seen that there is a radical difference between the violence in the Old Testament and Islamic jihad. First, the violence prescribed by God in the Old Testament was intended for a particular time and limited to a particular people group. There was no precedent set to continue this practice beyond what God had commanded. In contrast, the Koran actually prescribes and condones military jihad in the promotion of Islam. At no time in the Bible do we see God commanding His people to kill unbelievers in the promotion of biblical faith. Second, it is beyond dispute that, in its earliest years, Islam was promoted by the sword. It is exactly the opposite for early Christianity. Many of the early Christians were severely persecuted and martyred for their commitment to Christ. As one Christian philosopher put it, “Both Islam and Christianity were spread by the sword, but the swords were pointing in opposite directions!”

Finally, for the Christian, the final and complete revelation of God is in Jesus Christ, who was remarkably non-violent in His approach. If a Christian engages in violence in the name of Christ, he is doing so in direct disobedience of His Master. Jesus taught that all who live by the sword will die by it (Matthew 26:52). The teachings and example of Muhammad are very different. A Muslim who desires to commit violence in the name of Islam can find ample justification for his action both in the Koran and in the words and actions of the prophet Muhammad.


Got Questions Ministries, Got Questions 32 Comments [11/16/2014 7:45:53 AM]
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Quote# 104738

[ Commenting on the book review of Why Evolution Is True, which he has never read. ]

Hey all you primed up brain washed lemmings! It is time to wake up and see what's really going on here! This is not conspiracy theories this is reality and you are being lied to. You are not some unique young mind that has matured into a beautiful scientific flower.
You are lied to, you have not had some incredible revelation through being told this, this is not the epitome of humanity.
Everything you think you know to be true is wht they want you tot think true.
You have been backed up into a corner you know nothing about and has some sweet scales pulled over your eyes.

It is time to decode your coded mind and beat out what has been beaten into you.

Evolution is a lie...

NOW WATCH and set yourself free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ufK04tjOI&list=UUGd-zCzZssSVAqKibVeDPdA

Peter Overton, Amazon.com 26 Comments [11/16/2014 7:45:17 AM]
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Quote# 104736

Start by creating a lower class comprised of those who are mentally/spiritually weak (atheists, homosexuals/sodomites). Establish a "basic income" for these people (who are now all equal with one another) with strings attached: they have to undergo rigorous Biblical education that trains them spiritually and instills patriotism, strong feelings of national pride and kinship. Those who fail to transition into this type of society (those who rebel/reject their teachings) will be either hung or stoned to death by their peers.

This subclass will be unable to vote or own property but will have guaranteed quality of life, work and lifelong purpose handed down to them from above in accordance with the roles that they are needed to fulfill at a given time.

The upper classes will be comprised of self-actualized, Christian men who have been determined (by a battery of spiritual and psychological testing) to be fit to partake in the running of the economy (free market / capitalist), government (free and democratic), and so on. About 30 to 40% of the population will make up the higher classes (though unclean or non-Christian behavior will warrant being stripped of wealth and land and placed in the lower classes).

The constitution will be the result of ongoing intellectual discussion and debate around Biblical scripture which will serve the foundation of all society. It will be through this interpretation and discussion that the purpose of the subclass will be constantly redefined/adjusted (in times of war/expansion this underclass would fight, in times of peace they would work for greater good).

This is kind of a Spark Notes version but you get the idea.

Donttreadonme78, Reddit 60 Comments [11/16/2014 7:45:05 AM]
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Quote# 104735

The skeptical view is absolutely insane and illogical. You would need proof that Zimbabwe exists! Or some other country. All of the maps could be lying you know

Vazdaria, Nationstates 39 Comments [11/16/2014 7:43:56 AM]
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Quote# 104730

ESUS is the ANTICHRIST

Thank you for the information on the website, it provides further proof that the Vatican, the Great whore of Babylon along with the Antichrist or the head of the snake. Jesus is trying to decieve the world "eikomiene?" GK roman empire". Make no mistake I am saying Jesus is the head of the snake. Jesus is the Antichrist and it is the Messiah's job to point out who the Antichrist is. No I am not the Messiah but I can tell you Jesus is not the messiah because he is the ANTICHRIST.

Anyway any mythological creature (Jesus) who offers salvation for just believing ought to be questioned on an intellectual level, unless of course one believes in leperchauns then the believer has no chance of ever resurrecting (anastasis Gk moral recovery spiritual awakening) and should probably return to "american idol" or "survivor" and maybe the enlightened ones will awake you from ones deep slumber. Jesus has the probability of fullfiling the following 13 antichrist prophecies to be the ANTICHRIST and could never fulfill the messianic prophecies.

Using the Catholic method of reckoning, the chances of 13 false-messiah prophecies happening in one person would be more then seven times the proof of someone that fulfilled only seven messiah prophecies:

1 in 10 to the 17th power times seven, OBVIOUSLY indisputable proof that this person is the false-messiah.

THE PROPHECIES JESUS FULFILLED:

1. THE FALSE MESSIAH EXISTED BEFORE THE YEAR AD 96, 1 John 4:3
Jesus existed before the year AD 96. Fulfilled by Jesus

2. RISES FROM THE ABYSS, Rev.17: 8
The Apostles creed; "He (Jesus) descended into hell. He rose again from the dead."Fulfilled by Jesus

3. DECEIVES THE EARTH BY THE MEANS OF THOSE MIRACLES, Rev. 13:14.
Also See Exhibit 1 and 4. Fulfilled by Jesus
4. SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD, Thess. 2:4.
Jesus: "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves," (John 14:11). Fulfilled by Jesus

5. CREATES NEW ORDER IN 42 MONTHS, Re 13:5.
Jesus preached for forty two months, from this the Catholic Church (the new order) was created. Fulfilled by Jesus

6. HEAD OF THE WORLD-CHURCH, Zech. 6:13
"And he (Jesus) is the head of the body, the church," Col 1:18. Fulfilled by Jesus

7. CHANGES GOD'S LAWS, Da 7:25.
"And Jesus, the mediator of the new covenant", Heb 12:24. Fulfilled by Jesus

8. HIS FOLLOWERS SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, Re 3:9.
Gentiles that believe Jesus is the messiah call themselves spiritual Israelites - Jews Fulfilled by Jesus

9. HE WILL MAKE FIRE COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ON THE EARTH, Rev 13:13
Jesus said: "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing!" (Lu 12:49). Fulfilled by Jesus

10. HIS IMAGE WITH A WOUND IS WORSHIPPED UNIVERSALLY, RE 13:14
An image of a man with a wound (Jesus) is worshipped universally as God. Fulfilled by Jesus

11. MANY WHO WOULD NOT WORSHIP THE IMAGE ARE KILLED, Re 13:15
One of countless examples: 1171: Jews are arrested and most are executed after refusing to convert and worship the image of Jesus. Fulfilled by Jesus

12. CAUSE ALL TO RECEIVE HIS MARK (a symbol) BY THE RIGHT HAND UPON THE FOREHEADS IN HIS NAME. AND THAT NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL, EXCEPT HE THAT HAD THE MARK, Rev. 13: 16 -17.
Baptize: The MARK of repentance received by Catholics upon their foreheads from the right hand of a priest, in Jesus' name as a symbol of admission into the Catholic Church.

Two of countless examples:
722 AD: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will or killed.
1936 AD: Cardinal Hloud of Poland urged Catholics to boycott Jewish businesses.
Fulfilled by Jesus

13. HE SHALL CHANGE TIMES, Da 7:25. Times: [A period of time] - era: AD: the Christian era. Fulfilled by Jesus By the Catholic method of reckoning, the Petitioner has presented indisputable proof that Jesus is beyond a doubt, the false-messiah.

Jesus is the only person who COULD and DID FULFILL the necessary requirements of the Catholic Church, a FACT of which they are FULLY AWARE.

J.A.G, Tradition In Action 30 Comments [11/16/2014 5:41:18 AM]
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