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Quote# 134339

(=Two comments on the same thread by the same guy regarding an Ex-Flat-Earther coming out against the movement=)

Comment One: Just by accepting the Earth as a "globe" and by loving it most people are worshipping baal! There are so many inconsistencies within pseudo science. Neil Tyson says the Earth is shaped like an oblong pear but the several "photos" from NASA show a perfectly globular spheroid shaped earth. So which is it NASA? Then there are other mistakes NASA has made and you can see this for yourself by comparing different pics of the globe from different years. In all pictures the overall shape of the Earth is the same size yet the continents in view are larger and smaller from one pic to the next. Also, NASA says you can plainly see the curvature of earth at a specified height and when amateur photos are taken from balloons thousands of feet above this height with a camera that doesn't use a fisheye lens you can clearly see a flat horizon. The Pythagorean Theorem proves that Earth is either thousands times bigger than what NASA states or its flat. Laser tests also prove this and there is no religious dogma about any of that. There is no such thing as "gravity", it's never been proven to exist. No study has ever shown there to be a "gravity particle". Density and buoyancy explain away what you think gravity is. No need for your magical "gravity". Besides the idea of gravity was only invented to explain away all of heliocentrism. I'm not "emotional" about any of this mind you. It is just fact, nothing more, nothing less.

Comment two: Just another shill. However instead of using ad hominem attacks he's using a different tactic to try and discredit the Earth being flat and stationary. He's technical jargon that most do not understand to try and deceive people into believing the earth isn't flat and stationary. He's talking about how lights and lasers supposedly bend but refuses to bring up the things I stated in my previous comment, which blows the globe model out of the water. It's already been debunked. We do not live on a globe.

Brent Anderson, Facebook 15 Comments [11/18/2017 1:07:14 PM]
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Quote# 134338

Love and fidelity have nothing to do with homosexuals.

Btw, if reading stuff you don't agree with upsets you, I suggest you stick with blogs you agree with. No need to stress yourself by finding out that people don't all see the world exactly as you do. When you troll a Christian blog, you just might run a Christian or two.

Vince, Christian News Network 7 Comments [11/18/2017 1:07:10 PM]
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Quote# 134331

Given that the grandfather was an Irish Catholic, he certainly had no loyalty to the UK, and his ilk was often wont to abandon their families to the British Welfate State, for which they left the 26 counties to begin with, albeit usually '''after WWII''', not during., Wikipedia 6 Comments [11/18/2017 3:26:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134328

(Video is from EmmanuelTV, a Deliverance Ministry in Nigeria)

You inist that demonic psosession is fake, yet this man bit off the head of a chicken. Tell me RIGHT NOW how any sane person would do this.


timestamp 14:16

Unsigned, RationalWiki 12 Comments [11/18/2017 3:25:27 AM]
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Quote# 134324

A Canadian transgender job fair organised by a former Kenyan refugee has been criticised for inviting military recruiters.

Biko Beauttah said she asked the army to the event to honour her grandfather, who was a Kenyan major general.

But other transgender-rights activists say having the military there is an "affront" to their community.

Despite the criticism, Ms Beauttah said the fair will go ahead in Toronto on Trans Remembrance Day on Monday.

Ms Beauttah moved to Canada in 2006 from Kenya, where she said transgender people face discrimination and violence.

She said she spent her first three days in Canada in immigration detention, followed by six months in a refugee shelter.

But finding work in Canada has proved difficult because of transphobia, she says.

Currently, she is an activist and board member at Pride Toronto.

"I decided to throw myself a job fair and my community will benefit well," she told the BBC.

"All you need is an idea and you can literally change the world."

The fair will feature 15 employers, including bookstore chain Indigo and Toronto-Dominion Bank.

The Canadian Armed Forces is sending two personnel to find possible transgender recruits.

The presence of the military has irked some members of the transgender community.

Transroots Toronto, a group for transgender people of colour, says the job fair is a "racist act".

"Given the ongoing history of military and police violence against trans people, and of police indifference to anti-trans violence generally, having military or police present at an event specifically for TPOC (Trans People of Color) is an inherently violent act," Transroots Toronto wrote on Facebook.

The group also criticised Ms Beauttah for hosting the event on Trans Remembrance Day, which it said was a "day of mourning".

It is organising a protest outside the job fair.

But Ms Beauttah remains undeterred.

"All those systemic things they complain about, they affect me too," she said.

Toronto is no stranger to debates over police and military involvement at LGBT events.

Earlier this year, Pride Toronto voted in favour of banning uniformed police officers from the annual parade after Black Lives Matter activists said the police presence made LGBT people of colour feel unsafe.

Transroots Toronto, Pride Toronto, BBC News 16 Comments [11/17/2017 10:38:10 PM]
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Quote# 134323

Females have been getting pregnant and have been giving birth at 12 for thousands of years, and most of the time they survived and didn't have complications. Also just because a females body is not fully developed, doesn't mean that she isn't ready to get pregnant.

John M, YouTube  15 Comments [11/17/2017 10:37:58 PM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 134322

And even in some societies today, such as the primitive tribal societies, all the females in those societies start getting pregnant as soon as they start puberty. So when they are 10 11 or 12 they start getting pregnant and when they are 10 11 12 or 13 they become mothers. Most of them survive and most of them don't have any complications. Also even females that have fully developed bodies can experience complications in pregnancy and can die in pregnancy or can die giving birth. There are always dangers and risks with every pregnancy, regardless of how old the female is and regardless if the female is fully developed or not fully developed.

John M, YouTube  7 Comments [11/17/2017 10:37:16 PM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 134320

Lady Checkmate's headling: "Persecution: Why is Air Force punishing colonel over his religious views on marriage?"

(Cut-and-pasted Fox News story follows, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/16/senators-why-is-air-force-punishing-colonel-over-his-religious-views-on-marriage.html)

They hate us, literally, but accuse us of hating them...oh, the projection is crystal clear:

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 16 Comments [11/17/2017 10:36:59 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 134314

Having Moore on the ballot is not enough.

Before these false accusations started, there was no question that Moore was going to win the seat.

If he loses then Allred and her kind win. It would be a huge blow to #MAGA. It is just that simple.

sipow, Free Republic 17 Comments [11/17/2017 4:09:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134313

Actually, we do. I have studied Walter’s position on this topic and I know that he is not in favor of anyone going through transition. Quite the opposite, in fact.

He means that we need better information about the topic of regret. In fact he wants more discussion than that. We need to blow up the myth that “transition” is possible. As long as the “trans” lobby is allowed to control discussion, they will continue to spread lies and recruit new mentally ill victims.

There is no such thing as sex change.

mom of young patriots, Free Republic 6 Comments [11/17/2017 4:09:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 134303

Adolf Hitler actually created the first anti-animal cruelty laws in history, was a vegetarian, and had plans to close all slaughterhouses in Germany through legislation he created. The holocaust lie was created and is perpetuated by the very same animal abusers he was peacefully exiling from his country before they declared war on him. The amount of propaganda and disinformation that has been spread about "gas chambers" and "mass graves" etc. is all dispelled in my documentary "Adolf Hitler vs. The Jew World Order," if it hasn't been censored in your country (it is now banned in 30 countries). You can also learn the truth by watching "The Greatest Story Never Told." Thanks to everyone who takes the time to look into this most important subject. Peace?

Eric Dubay, Youtube 15 Comments [11/17/2017 11:24:18 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 134298

.....you clowns don't make it very easy to like you. Some still want to re-litigate the US Civil War. Get a life that matters!

Lady Checkmate:
It's the alt-left that wants to re-litigate civil rights. They want to cover life style choices and are requesting that civil rights be eliminated if they're choices aren't covered. So, it seems your offense is misdirected...it's the alt-left attacking us marginalized minorities.
*My life matters to God :)

.....how about you be you and let them be them? We'll just keep it simple.

Lady Checkmate:
Who asked "them" not to be "them"? I haven't put demands on anyone regarding their life style choices.
My point was, you accused the wrong people of wanting to re-litigate civil rights (and actually some of them may want to as well), but those making that specific demand are those wanting to be covered by the right as well-as mentioned in the comment above. Please think on that sir and let me know how it feels to be manipulated and have our ancestor's experiences pimped and manipulated by very selfish people pushing a very specific agenda that also targets, harasses and persecutes Christians. Not cool, right.

.....lol, do they want my guns ???

Lady Checkmate:
Last I heard, the alt-left wants to take everyone's guns...brush up on whose for the second amendment...we conservatives support gun ownership. The folks you're defending want to take your guns sir, not us. Again, you chose the wrong team...they want to take everything they can from us, including our rights, js.

.....and you're talking about the current administration, RIGHT ???

Lady Checkmate:
Citizen, I don't know if I should pity you or block you. It's sad.
One more time (respectfully):

1. Trump is for the second amendment. The alt-left is NOT.
2. Trump is for freedom of speech. The alt-left is NOT.
3. Trump is for putting Americans first. The alt-left is NOT.
4. Trump is for religious rights.The alt-left is NOT.
5. Trump is for returning jobs to the American people, i.e., lowering the unemployment rate. The alt-left is NOT.

If you can't follow that, I wish you well Citizen, but I think you're doing that on purpose...I won't respond to nor release further trolling and pretending that you don't understand straight forward comments.

Good luck with that btw.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 11 Comments [11/17/2017 8:01:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 134297

You have to understand, your actions, set an example to other whites. You could have had a white child, who could go on and produce another white child, and so on. If every male, divorced his non-white women, married a white women and produced children that= more whites. At current rates, the white male/females really, can't afford to be selfish and a policy of mixed-race marriages being forbidden, would help immensely.

From a Christian perspective, god hates race-mixing, multiculturalism, and diversity. It is , literally , a pagan practice of Baal worship.

ShinnSeedMode, Reddit 19 Comments [11/17/2017 4:01:15 AM]
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Quote# 134296

Unknown, Neatorama 22 Comments [11/17/2017 4:00:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu’s On First

Quote# 134295

I... actually agree with this. I personally do not stigmatize pedophilic feelings granted that these feelings are kept to oneself and never acted upon. It's not far fetched to conceive of a situation in which someone who sees children sexually would work a job in which they interacted with them regularly and yet was otherwise a perfectly normal person and upstanding worker. I see it no differently from a nurse taking care of a patient they find attractive. So long as no one is diddling kids then let people work where they want to work, are we the god damn thought police now?

If you know that you are a pedophile, the responsible thing to do is not to deliberately put yourself into a position where you are required to be in close contact with children. That's just common sense.
I'm sure there are people who do it, who have these feelings and work with kids. And I am sure that there are plenty of them that never act on their feelings. Fine. I don't like it, but neither can I really prevent it.
But if you go on to the internet and announce that you are a pedophile AND that you believe you should be working with children, people are going to think you are an irresponsible creep. That's not thought policing. That's reality.
If my alcoholic cousin came to me and said they thought it would be a grand idea to start working as a bartender, I'd suggest they reconsider. That's not thought policing. It's saying, "Hey, you have a temptation that most people don't and that could cause some real damage to the people around you if you give in to, so maybe you should try a job where you aren't constantly surrounded by the one thing that you want but cannot have."
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

As I've said before, I'm arguing from the position that the pedophile in question is otherwise a perfect teacher who has had their heart set on being one forever. Of course, if you knew them and you knew their temptation you'd talk to them about it, but if they were dead set on it would you truly tell them to just give up on their dream? Also, your analogy isn't too good, drinking alcohol is not illegal, and an alcoholic has already indulged in their temptation enough for it to be a legitimate problem, the pedophile in question has never acted on their lust and in all likelihood never will.

the (adult) patient can tell the nurse to fuck off / press charges / get a restrainin gorder / clock him/her in the face, your choice. children are defenceless.

But they are both exposed to similar temptation, and in the case of both being professionals who are serious about their job, neither would give in.

it doesn't matter: the other party is too vulnerable, the risk is unjustifiable.
it's like saying "I am a very careful smoker, I will make sure my sigarette doesn't drop and make your gas station blow up." You are not allowed to light up, period.
just NO.

Your analogy fails, a smoker already smokes and does so regularly, the pedophile I am discussing has never acted on their lust and likely will never act upon it. It's a thought, not an action.
So you believe we should be policing thoughts? Telling people what they can and cannot do based upon their feelings? Should other professions start doing this too? Should a Nurse in a Convalescent Home be fired for thinking about how much they hate their job?

the disbalance of power (lack of ability to protect him/herself) for a child is so great, you are practically placing him/her totally at mercy of the person who may or may not act upon their feelings. Nope, nope, nope.

ays me, this is the point I am arguing from, if you don't like it then you can stop responding. I described the pedophile in question from the very beginning as someone who has never acted upon their feelings and in all likelihood never would.
You didn't answer my question. Do we start thought-policing people?

When it comes to the vulnerability of a child over an adult's desire to have a specific job, yes.

If you really believe that anyone has the right to control the mind of others for any reason then we've nothing to talk about.

Believe me, I don't condone pedophilia and I'm not trying to protect molesters who would take advantage of children. I just see a group of people who may have legitimate psychological problems they may need help to get over being stigmatized so heavily that they can't find that help and it makes me sympathize with their situation.

yummyfish, /r/TumblrInAction 4 Comments [11/17/2017 3:59:44 AM]
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Quote# 134293

-Sexual activity between adults and children is found in all primate species, and all pre-industrial cultures without a taboo on child sexuality. It is just as "normal", biologically speaking, as homosexual behavior.
-Pedophilia is not a mental illness, but a sexual orientation. The conclusion of the final DSM-V is that the term "pedophilia" by itself does not refer to a psychiatric disorder. There is no longer an entry for "Pedophilia" but only one for "Pedophilic Disorder", and it states that if individuals "report an absence of feelings of guilt, shame, or anxiety about these impulses and are not functionally limited by their paraphilic impulses (according to self-report, objective assessment, or both), and their self-reported and legally recorded histories indicate that they have never acted on their impulses, then these individuals have a pedophilic sexual orientation but not pedophilic disorder."
-There is no evidence pedophilia is the result of any kind of abuse. This is an urban myth discredited by scientific research.
Freund, Kurt; Watson, R.; and Dickey, R. (1990). "Does sexual abuse in childhood cause pedophilia: an exploratory study," Archives of Sex

Cannibalism is also found in primate species. I guess we should just make cannibalism legal? The whole point of being human is not giving in to disgusting impulses like pedophilia and cannibalism.

Why is consensual and mutually pleasurable sexual activity between children and adults "disgusting"? Plenty of people find homosexuality "disgusting" as well. Does this mean we should ban homosexual sex? Why is it any different with sex between children and adults?

svarog123, /r/TumblrInAction 8 Comments [11/17/2017 3:54:47 AM]
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Quote# 134292

A sex addict has a behavioral problem. A pedophile has an abnormal sexual orientation. To say that all pedophiles are dangerous to children is like saying all straight men are dangerous to women. Should male doctors never be in the same room with attractive female patients? Why not? You would be constantly exposing them to temptation, after all. What's the difference?

Just like an alcoholic should not work in a bar or a gambler in a casino, a pedophile should not work or be around children.
Especially since the consequences of a pedophile slipping up are much more dire

Alcoholics and gamblers have a behavioral pathology- they are unable to control their behavior. Pedophiles are people who are sexually and emotionally attracted to children- it is a sexual orientation, and is not comorbid with a lack of impulse control.

"In fact, this blog strongly advises against sexual relationships with children, and will explain why in a future post|".
If you need to explain this, you have a problem.

Can you explain why children should be prevented from engaging in pleasurable, safe, and consensual sexual activity with adults? Why do you want to prevent children from experiencing sexual pleasure? Do you hate children? Why else would you want to impose upon them an artificial asexuality, in spite of the fact that children enjoy and desire sexual activity?

svarog123, /r/TumblrInAction 8 Comments [11/17/2017 3:52:34 AM]
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Quote# 134291

I do agree with the assertion that simply having pedophilic thoughts should not exclude an otherwise fitting candidate from a position in which they would regularly interact with children. Should we also not allow male nurses to perform procedures on women near their age? Are we seriously to be policing thoughts?
But stating that pedophiles somehow have a natural proclivity to teach kids is just...creepy.
Also, there's a significant difference between a pedophile teaching a a male nurse taking care of women.
In the case of the male nurse, presuming that he likes adults, will be able to have access to ample women outside his job who are completely valid candidates for his affections and interests.
A pedophile doesn't really have a healthy outlet for sexuality. Even watching erotica with kids is...not okay. This person would literally be sitting around kids all day with pent-up sexual frustration. The nurse...not so much. That still doesn't mean that the pedophile would turn abuser, but the temptation and opportunity is simply much higher.
Obviously you can't police thoughts, but I'd certainly wouldn't advise a pedophile to work n a primary school

I'm just saying that people shouldn't be denied a job because of their thoughts. You could very well teach teenagers or adults instead of children, but many teachers are good teachers because their styles work well with their students. A great elementary school teacher may not be a university professor.

I disagree, it's like keeping a loaded gun in a house with children. The consequences of something going wrong are so horrific, it outweighs any benefit of having a good teacher who keeps their hands to themselves. In any case, why would someone's pedophilic thoughts be known to anyone unless that person already got caught doing something inappropriate?

The concept is a hypothetical but perhaps they'd confided in someone they trusted, and I disagree, I think that the benefit of good teachers outweighs the risk.

yummyfish, /r/TumblrInAction 2 Comments [11/17/2017 3:51:09 AM]
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Quote# 134290

Why are you so bent on defending pedophiles

I’m bent on defending innocent people from stigma, demonization and false accusations. I’m bent on decreasing csa, protecting children from actual abusers, improving people’s mental health and in general making the best for everyone. I’m totally into using scientifical evidence to support my views and apply what science has proved us as the best way to help innocent people with pedophilic disorder and to prevent csa. I’m totally down for don’t adding a moral sense to an amoral category as sexuality is and judging people for their chosen actions and not for their impossible to choose feelings. So yeah, I’m really bent on defending pedophiles because that is good for everyone, it decreases people’s suffering, mental illness and csa. Any problem with that?

Tags: anon map positivity map support pro map nomaps asks answer anti antis therapy pedophilia psychiatry

aleskakolja, tumblr 1 Comments [11/17/2017 3:49:29 AM]
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Quote# 134289

I have been thinking a bit about this, and since we have some numerical data maybe we can put numbers in the issue of “pedophiles genocide”. Maybe seeing the numbers could help to have clearer visions of the implications of some people’s desires and intentions.

So, there are a large part of antis who think that all pedophiles, no matter what, should die. I want to believe that most of them don’t think that for real, that they talk without thinking first and that they aren’t actual genocidals waiting for a chance. But I would like to show the implications of following this sentiment.
The numbers: 

The global population is around 7000,000,000. The number of pedophiles is estimated to be around a 5% (and maybe it could be bigger, since the female population hasn’t been deeply studied and we are talking only about pedophiles, not ALL MAPs. But well, we’ll go with that number. An estimation).

What does this mean? That around 350,000,000 people are pedophiles. 350 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE PEDOPHILES.

Think slowly about it. USA population is 323 millions. The whole Europe population is 743 millions. Murdering all pedophiles would mean that you want to kill more than what the USA’s population is. Half of the european population. Can you see it now? Do you have the number and its implications in your head?

But well, we’ll keep going over this. I’m strongly against death penalty. I don’t think we have any right to decide who lives and who dies and I don’t believe in a punitive justice system. That is not justice, that is just revenge. I believe in rehabilitation and reinsertion when it is possible, in turning criminals in good, productive members of society and approach the penitenciary system not as a punishment but as therapeutic, educational system. But I’m going to let this for a moment. We are going to say that we accept death penalty for some criminals and that child abusers get that. By this genocide you aren’t just killing offenders, but millions of innocent people. Gonna imagine that a 25% of pedophiles are offenders in some way (and I’m being generous with the number. Too high). If that is true, you are still mudering 262,500,000 of innocent people. Even if half of the pedophiles where child abusers, that would be 175 millions of innocents murdered. The studies with higher numbers about the nazi holocaust talk about 15-20 millions of victims. When you say you want all pedophiles dead that means that you want a genocide 20 times worse than the nazi one. Even if you are full of hate and approve capital punishment, you should be able to see that the genocide of 350 millions of people, innocent or not, just for a specific and unchosen trait of them is too radical and useless. But I’ll go over this now.
“It is for a greater good”

Ok, just for a second, we are going to pretend that the murdering of innocent people (or just, murdering in general) is justificable in some way, we are going to imagine that there is such a thing as a greater good that is above the most basic human right of millions of people and that makes their murder ok. What would you achive with this? Well, acknowledging that only around 33% of CSA is commited by pedophiles that means that this genocide wouldn’t stop even half of the abuse children suffer. 66% of it would still happen. So we would have millions of innocents dead and children still being abused without no one taking serious actions to stop it, because they have focus all the effort in the murdering of pedophiles.

But that is not all. Pedophiles would keep borning, of course. Because pedophilia is not a choice, an ideology or something you can control. People would still born with this trait and would develop it, so you’d have to keep murdering a 5% of human population every generation. This would include a lot of CSA survivors, of course, that turn out to be pedophiles when they grow up. But since you are killing pedophiles CSA is impossible so there isn’t survivors, right? This approach will just lead to a total invisibilization of CSA, because to justify the genocidal attitude you need to support the idea that only pedophiles commit CSA, so the voices of most victims wouldn’t be hear. 

And of course, if your intention is murdering pedophiles as a “prevention” strategy, it would be the best that you kill them as young as possible, before they can commit any offense. Since most people became aware of their attractions as teens, you would be killing mostly minors. Probably the millions you are killing are all under 16. But that is ok, because it is for a greater good… Or maybe not.

Because by killing all pedophiles you would still have most of CSA happening and you would have to keep an eternal genocide for the rest of the history without any perks coming from it. Because you would see friends, family, neighbours… dying constantly for a trait they didn’t choose and you would have to accept it because that is supposed to make some kind of good for society. This is not effective. This doesn’t save children. This is heinous. There are way better things we can do about this topic.
So, what can we do, then?

We, as a society, have a principal role here. We can prevent CSA before it happens and the way to achive this is not murdering, it’s not genocide, it’s not hate. It is knowledge and understanding. We need to be aware of the risk factors for CSA and treat them as soon as we notify someone has them. Treatment is not murdering, but therapy. And this is not a thing just for pedophiles. This is something for anyone with these risk factors (lack of empathy, self-control…). On the side of pedophiles, literature is clear about it: isolation only hurts and create risk factors. The way to prevent pedophiles from offending is offering them a supportative, open society. If instead of making them feeling like mosters doomed to abuse we teach young pedophiles that they are ok, that they are in control of their actions and that people are going to still love and care about them we are protecting these teens from developing the distortions that can lead to abuse. An open society would mean that pedophiles who need it could go to therapy without fear, learning to accept themselves, to empathize with children, fighting cognitive distortions and developing self-control skills that would prevent them from commiting any kind of offense. This therapy is the way to prevent CSA. And to provide it we need that society stops to hate and demonize pedophiles so they can take this step. But therapy alone is not enough. Human beings need acceptation, need people who show love for them, need to be part of a group and community. That is why you shouldn’t isolate pedophiles. Because it hurts their mental health, because maybe the only ones who show acceptation would be pro-contact communities, because maybe their loneliness pushes them to do something terrible that we all could have prevent if we had had enough understanding and vision for it.

When you say you want all pedophiles to die you mean that you want 350 millions of people dead. These aren’t light words. This is a terrible statement and maybe you should think about it carefully before support it. You should keep in mind that pedophiles are human beings, with family and friends, most of them innocent, and that all this death would bring a lot of pain to the world without actually helping anyone. The dead of pedophiles wouldn’t stop CSA. Most children would still be abused. The way to prevent this is a good konwledge of the causes and risk factors of CSA and early intervention on these. Genocide, demonization or isolation is not the right intervention, it is an useless preventive strategy with a lot of negative impact. If we want to actually help children we should start by understanding what pedophilia is, who are the pedophiles and heping them to remainn non-offending and anti-contact. We should all work together with MAPs, who can be actually the first step in CSA prevention and the ones turning pro-contacts and potential abusers in riskless people, so we can help children. We should guide ourselves by science, by research, by what we learn and not by what we feel or just blindly believe.
Some last reflections for antis

Please, next time you type something like “I hope all pedos die” “I wish you all were dead” “Please, die” “kill yourself” “best you can do is killing yourself” or any form of suicide baiting and death wishing try to think in the effect of your words. Try to think that in the other side of the screen there is a human being, a person with their life, their problems, their suffering. Someone who didn’t choose to be like that and who has to learn to live with a part of themselves that they probably hate way more than you do. The person you are talking to is not your abuser, is not any child abuser. It is another scared person who is seeking a bit of help and empathy from another human beings. It could be anyone. Your best friend, your nice classmate, your parent, your children. Anyone. 

Because when you express this desire you are telling 350,000,000 of human beings that they would be better off dead. And these are strong words, directed towards people with a high suicide risk. With this, you aren’t protecting children, you are hurting them. With this, you are just spreading your rage to feel a bit better about yourself in the most twisted and egoistic way, but you cause harm. Even to yourself, no matter if you can’t see this now. Drowing in hate, rage and such a toxic ideology won’t bring you peace or happiness. You will only feel worse and worse, more full of wrath, until the day you can’t hold it anymore.

Try to be careful. Think in your words, in their true meaning, in society, in what we can do to make this world better. Stop for a moment, breath deeply, ignore the hate, the rage, your pain, and then try to open your eyes and start to learn. You don’t have to agree in everything. You dont’ have to be a MAP supporter. But just stopping to spread a message of hate and genocide and starting researches and discusssions would do a lot of good. For society, yes, but specially for yourself. Because you are the one who is getting more hurt with this. I hope you can think slowly and see this someday. And for that day I’m here. And for the day before too. I want to know you, I want to help you, I want to show you kindness and empathy. I know you are a good person, that you mean well and that someday you could see what was wrong in your actions. Until then, I’ll be here anyway. I’m open to talk, to discuss, to share my sources and research and to give you support when you need it. But please, stop to support genocide. Don’t let yourself to think that the murdering of 350,000,000 can be in any circunstances for a greater good. Never. Genocide is always wrong. 

And if you are an anti who is against cross-tagging, against suicide baiting and death wishes and who believe in therapy even if you don’t like the MAP community, please, try to be vocal about this. Help to make your community less toxic and hateful, help another people to be less dogmatic and more open to talk and discuss in respectful ways, try to make them see why wishing people dead or telling them to commit suicide is wrong. You have a lot of power in your hands and you can stop a lot of harm just by making your community a bit more open, tolerant and safe, by making it less harmful for its members and less anti-science, anti-recovery and anti-therapy. If you believe that something is wrong don’t be afraid and speak up against it. I have talked with antis who only were antis and who wrote hateful stuff because they were scared to be called out and hated for not being like the other antis. That is not good. No one should feel forced to do something they don’t agree with and that makes them distressed just for the fear that their own community causes them. Be helpful, be there for the ones who show more humanity and empathy. Suport therapy and understanding, not genocide, rage and hate. Give everyone a hand.

So, summarizing, if you support the idea of wanting all pedophiles dead, try to think slowly, be aware of the implications, keep the numbers and facts in your mind. Genocide is not an option. If you want to fight monsters, try to don’t become yourself in one.

aleskakolja, tumblr 6 Comments [11/17/2017 3:48:14 AM]
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Quote# 134288

Don’t call yourself an anti contact MAP if
You work with or around children
You have children
You interact with/play with/befriend children
You let yourself be alone with and responsible for children

You seek out public spaces filled with children like playgrounds of schools.
You chat with minors online.

You can only call yourself an anti contact map if you do everything in your power to stay as far away from children as possible at all times.


Demanding the essentially impossible.
You’re literally no better than people of the past who decided mentally ill people with “scary” thoughts were better locked up in some asylum because they’re all “ticking time bombs.”
You’re a disgrace to the mental illness community in every way.
Also before you decide to forget how to read, no I never said being a MAP is a mental illness. It is a brain disorder, it is unchosen, it puts “scary” thoughts in our heads that we can’t remove but we can control our response to, because we are not ticking time bombs that need to be shoved in a dank cave somewhere for the comfort of mentally healthy people.

Why would hating pedos make me a disgrace to the mentally ill communities when we both agree that pedophilia isn’t a mental illness? Genuinely wondering…

I’m a pedophile, I also have trauma-born homicidal thoughts (and other mental illnesses). As someone who actually deals with this brain of mine every damn day, I’m pretty sure my take on how this is experienced is a hell of a lot more accurate than yours.

We do not want to be MAPs. We did not choose to be MAPs. Our brains are doing something a brain should not do, they are disordered.

A disorder and a disability are not the same thing. A disorder and a mental illness are not the same thing.

What they do have in common though, is that they’re all detrimental to the sufferer and sometimes those around them, they usually can’t be cured, and they should be medically treated so everybody can live happily and safely.

Telling us to do nearly impossible things like “never be near children” is just as shitty as telling anyone else with a brain issue that they should “never be near knives” (if they’re suicidal or have homicidal ideation), or “never go outside” (because people are afraid someone with psychosis is just waiting to snap and kill someone in a fit of paranoia), or “never date” (because they have bpd or aspd and could be abusive).

It’s complete bullshit to tell someone who is dedicated to living a non-violent life to just up and vanish because you don’t understand that every human being has free will and rape is a fucking choice.


For the love of god use paragraph breaks. On mobile type < b > no spaces.

Holy fucking Christ though, absolutely no one have said that you aren’t allowed to go outside/walk past a child on the street - my list was specifically about ACTIVELY SEEKING OUT the company of minors which y'all definitely shouldn’t be doing due to your attractions and the risk that you might at some point act on them.

Walking past a playground on your way to work? Fine. Stopping to ogle at the kids? Not okay. Stopping to interact with the kids? Definitely not okay.

Visiting someone who has kids? Fine. Staring at their kids? Not okay. Interacting with their kids anymore than what common courtesy demands? Definitely not okay.

I’m not asking you to disappear from the face of earth (though things would be better down here if y'all pedos did) I’m simply saying that you should go out of your way not to seek out the company of children due to your sexual attraction to them and the risk connected with this attraction.

You work with or around children

This disqualifies working for food service, retail, entertainment, public transport, and public service. Those are only a few jobs I can think of where children will regularly be nearby and are now out of one’s ability to work. This severely limits one’s work options.

You have children

This assumes having a child is always a choice. This also assumes that it’s anywhere near normal for someone to be attracted to their own family. Adult parents aren’t attracted to their adult children, why would a MAP be?

You interact with/play with/befriend children

Now we’re banned from our own families. We can’t work anywhere, now we can’t go to the homes of family members, family events such as weddings and reunions. If a MAP is a minor they must avoid all of their peers and I guess move out and live on the street if they have younger siblings.

If a child is lost and asks for directions, we have to walk away. If a kid is clearly in distress, we’re not allowed to approach them to help, we have to just leave them there. If a toddler smiles at us because that’s just how kids are, we have to turn away (sending this friendly kid the idea that we dislike them and they’re not worth our time, something that harms the self esteem of children).

Adults and kids can’t be friends so that point is moot.

You let yourself be alone with and responsible for children

If your sister has to run to the hospital for an emergency and you’re the closest person there to watch her kids, fuck em. They can fend for themselves. Walk out and never return.

If you’re a parent, throw your children to the wolves of the state, a place where no one is ever abused at extremely high rates /s

You seek out public spaces filled with children like playgrounds of schools.

If you’re there for no reason yeah I agree this is weird.

You chat with minors online.

If you’re 18, you now cannot chat with your 16, 17yo high school friends. Sorry guys, I don’t make the absurd rules, this person does.

cinnamap, tumblr 0 Comments [11/17/2017 3:37:28 AM]
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Quote# 134287

why do you lead a youth group when you’re a pedophile? i hope someone exposes you and you aren’t allowed around these children!!

Why do you work with women when you’re attracted to them?
See how ridiculous that sounds?
#minor attracted person #minor attracted people #nomap #pedophile #pedophilia #anonymous ask

dean-the-map, tumblr 5 Comments [11/17/2017 3:33:15 AM]
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Quote# 134286

If y'all were “devoting so much time and effort into helping children stay safe” you’d realize that you shouldn’t work with or around children at all - that you should avoid being around and interacting with children as much as possible - cause your pedophilic attraction to them makes you a potential threat to children no matter how “non offending” and “in control” you think you are.

Everyone is a potential threat to everyone else.
There are more cases of an adult raping a minor when the adult is not a MAP then there are that are.

Should all adults stay away from children?
How about children that rape other children? I mean, I guess they should get help right….. but not from an adult, because of the potential threat.

No, that rant ain’t got shit to do with what I wrote. I’m not saying that all adults are threats, or that child on child rape don’t happen, or that you can’t rape a child without being a pedophile. I’m just saying that if you have urges to sexually abuse children, you should stay away from children as much as physically possible because YOU individually are a potential threat due to your sexual attraction to children.

Attraction != Threat
Wanting sex with X != threat to person X.

If you are attracted to someone who is not attracted to you back, do you avoid them at all cost because you believe you’re a threat, and that you may rape them?

Despite how much you all pretend minor attraction doesn’t work like the rest of the attractions…. they do. Having an attraction towards anyone, no matter the classification of attraction, DOES NOT MEAN you’re more of a threat to that person.

I am not a threat to anyone. I have never raped anyone, and I will never rape anyone, whether attracted to them or not.

Your complete lack of understanding in this area does not mean that I must be a rapist waiting to happen.

james-the-map, tumblr 0 Comments [11/17/2017 3:32:58 AM]
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Quote# 134285

You’re a pedophile. Working with kids. Thats “inappropriate contact”.
Also i find it very hard to belive you dont work with them to hurt them because YOU’RE A PEDOPHILE

It’s really not, but okay, whatever.
So because I’m a paedophile I must be a liar? Don’t you think it’s possible that someone who, by definition, loves children might want what’s best for them and might want to work to give them a good childhood. You seem to be stuck on the idea that paedophiles want to harm kids, which is complete rubbish. I’ve got no desire to harm kids, I just want to protect them and make sure tey can be safe and happy.

You just admited to being *sexually* attracted to them lol. Likeing to work with kids is one thing, wanting to fuck them is another.
And if you want to protect them then you can make an active effort to not purposefully engage yourself with them and encourage other “non offending pedophiles” to do the same.

Yep, I never denied that fact lol
I like to work with kids and I also happen to be sexually and romantically attracted to them. The two don’t influence eachother, I’d work with kids even if I wasn’t a paedophile.
You’re implying that anti contact MAPs are dangerous when the reality is they are no more dangerous than teleiophiles.
Source: guesswholovesnomaps minor attracted person minor attracted people nomap pedophile pedophilia

dean-the-map, tumblr 2 Comments [11/17/2017 3:31:17 AM]
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Quote# 134284

I'm Dean, I'm 22 years old, from the UK and I'm an anti-contact paedophile exclusively attracted to boys ages 2-13. Paedophilia isn't wrong acting on it is. I'm a leader with a youth group.

My messages and asks are always open and I'm always happy to talk, you can message me here, twitter or discord. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask and I'll do my best to answer them.

I run a discord server for anti-contact MAPs with a friend, if you want more info message me here or on discord Dean#5840, non-MAP supporters and anyone interested in learning more are welcome too.

Daily reminder that if you’re a MAP, considers yourself “anti contact” or “non offending” and you work around children, interact with children or go to public places where there are a lot of children,
You’re not anti contact, you’re not non offending.
You purposely go in places to get close to children, and choose to work around children to get close to them.
Not only is this creepy as hell, but it’s also how offending pedophiles behaves to get closer to children to abuse them.

Um, yes, yes I am. I am anti-contact and non-offending by the definitions of those terms.
I choose to work around children because I like working with children, not to get close to them. Nothing creepy about it, I do it for the same reason any adult chooses to work with children and it’s no more creepy.
To be anti-contact means to be against all sexual, romantic or otherwise inappropriate contact with children. It’s the opposite of pro-contact. You can be around children and still be anti contact learn definitions before you try to use our terms.

You’re a pedophile. Working with kids. Thats “inappropriate contact”.
Also i find it very hard to belive you dont work with them to hurt them because YOU’RE A PEDOPHILE.

Did you even look at my blog for a second? Did you take a moment to look at MAPs blogs? Clearly not, because if you had you’d know we completely agree that adult/child relationships are inherently harmful and we are completely opposed to them! If you truly cared you’d spend just a little time looking at our blogs.
You never know, you might rape someone in the future, anyone could, so we should keep everyone locked away from everyone. 80% of child molesters aren’t paedophiles so shall we keep everyone away from children?
We should keep people that are likely to cause harm to children away from children, not those that don’t pose any immediate risk. Anti-contact MAPs don’t pose more of a risk to children than teleiophiles do, we fully understand that children are not capable of consenting and we understand the harm adult/child relationships can cause.
minor attracted person minor attracted people nomap pedophile pedophilia

dean-the-map, tumblr 8 Comments [11/17/2017 3:28:44 AM]
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