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Quote# 143377

If I knew without a shadow of a doubt that God wanted me to kill my child for any reason, I most certainly would. I love God with all my being. He rescued me from everything in life. Yes, God is all-knowing, but He wanted to test Abraham's faith through it. He knew beforehand that Abraham was willing, but Abraham did not know before. God puts trials in the lives of every single human being to draw them closer to Him. It may not seem like it most times, but I guarantee it has a purpose. God did really love Abraham too. He loves every single living thing on this planet because HE made it, and molded it after His own image.

Abby Austin, Quora 27 Comments [4/22/2019 1:33:32 PM]
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Quote# 143374

The French revolution murdered tens of thousands of people. Many of them were priests -- even priests who had supported the revolution fell to The Terror. But they knew enough to not destroy Notre Dame.

In 1944, Adolf Hilter wanted Paris burned as his forces were driven out.

The military, however, knew better, and did nothing. If they had burned Paris to the ground, they feared that their lives would be forfeit. Considering the conclusion of the war, it was a smart play on their part. The Nazis knew not to destroy Notre Dame.

Modern day is not so smart.

2019 has seen a rash of destruction of Catholic churches throughout France. It's countrywide.

There are only two real culprits.

The first is the same people from 1792. I don't care if you call them Robespierre or "Occupy" or whatever form the commie bastards are choosing this week, they're all the same pricks. They're anti-theist, they're nasty, and they have no qualms about destroying the past to further their agenda. In fact, the destruction of the past and the Church itself is part of their plan for success.

The second group of the usual suspects .... is exactly who you're thinking they are. If you're one of the few people who can't guess, some hints.

They like destroying other people's iconography (like big Buddhist statues)
They're responsible for trashing parts of Germany (like Hamburg on New Year's)
They've gotten a free pass in Europe for years because to arrest them for their crimes would be "racist against migrants."

That's right! The Amish!

No, of course not. I kid. I mean the Jews.

Oh, did I say that out loud? Sorry. I've been listening to Congresswoman Omar lately.

I meant Muslims.

[...]

Look at that blaze and you tell me that went from zero to sixty before the fire department could reach them, and you tell me with a straight face that it's not arson. Given how many churches have been trashed this year alone in France, to ask me to consider that it's NOT arson is an insult to my intelligence.

To the people who did this, I ask that you read these books [Amazon link to his novels] and learn what your fate will be. You want to play by these rules? I war gamed the outcome.

Whoever did this will burn. We know the French are too cowardly to arrest the real perps (with luck, they'll have a quiet accident).

But that's what Hell is for.

Declan Finn, A Pius Geek 20 Comments [4/22/2019 1:30:23 PM]
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Quote# 143369

Why Incels Would Be Good Soldiers

incels dislike/hate society. if it ever came to a war in which incels would fight against society the incels would have better soldiers because they have the hatred within them.
incels often have nothing/not much to live for so they could charge into battle without the fear of death. kamikaze pilots could also easily be found or lets say suicide soldierd like bombers would easily be found.

combine the hatred of society with the lack of fearing death and a weapon and you get the perfect soldier.

good thing is in todays war you dont need to be strong or athletic anymore. you just need to use and handle guns right.

GoonCel, incels.co 33 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:25 PM]
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Quote# 143366

Extreme Easter: Flogging, crucifixions in Philippines

SAN FERNANDO, April 19 — Hundreds of barefoot men beat themselves with flails and at least 10 were to be nailed onto crosses throughout Good Friday in a blood-soaked display of religious fervour in the Philippines.

Frowned upon by the Church, the ritual crucifixions and self-flagellation are extreme affirmations of faith performed every Easter in Asia’s Catholic outpost.

Barefoot men wearing crowns of twigs walked silently on the side of a village road in the scorching tropical heat of the northern Philippines, flogging their backs with bamboo strips tied to a length of rope.

While many of the 80 million Filipino Catholics spend Good Friday at church or with family, others go to these extreme lengths to atone for sins or seek divine intervention in a spectacle that has become a major tourist attraction.

“This is a religious vow. I will do this every year for as long as I am able,” 38-year-old truck driver Resty David, who has been self-flagellating for half his life at his village in the northern Philippines, told AFP.

He said he also hoped it would convince God to cure his cancer-stricken brother.

Blood and sweat soaked through the penitents’ pants with some spectators grimacing with each strike of the lash.

Some hid behind their companions to avoid the splatter of gore and ripped flesh.

Many in the crowds had driven for hours to witness the frenzied climax of the day’s gory spectacle, when believers allow themselves to be nailed to crosses in a re-enactment the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

“I’m a little bit overwhelmed. It’s very intense, I haven’t expected something like this,” German tourist Annika Ehlers, 24, told AFP.

Ehlers said she had witnessed the first of 10 scheduled crucifixions during the day in villages around the city of San Fernando, about 70km north of Manila.

Eight-centimetre spikes are driven through both the man’s hands and feet before the wooden cross is raised briefly for the crowds to see. After that the nails are pulled out and he is given medical treatment.

The Church says the faithful should spend Lent in quiet prayer and reflection.

“The crucifixion and death of Jesus are more than enough to redeem humanity from the effects of sins. They are once in a lifetime events that need not be repeated,” Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines official Father Jerome Secillano said.

“Holy Week.... is not the time to showcase man’s propensity for entertainment and Pharisaical tendencies,” he added.

Nearly 80 per cent of people in the Philippines are Catholic, a legacy of the nation’s 300 years of Spanish colonial rule that ended at the turn of the 20th century. — AFP

Some Filipino Catholics, Malay Mail 9 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:17 PM]
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Quote# 143365

Crow, Egg and Humble Pie



(A frustrated-looking Elizabeth Warren, dressed as Pocahontas, is trying to wring out substance from pages of the Mueller report.
Assorted pages on the ground read “nada”, “goose egg” and “zip”.)

Mick Williams:
It's over, Lizzie. Just like your presidential campaign

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 18 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:16 PM]
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Quote# 143364

Human beings are wired for worship. If social pressure discourages worshiping God, those with less fortitude will worship trees, rocks, or even plastic figurines.

Religious identity was the engine that built the West, and it's still a major motivating force elsewhere in the world. What has happened in the American Empire is that Christian identity has shattered, and the pieces have been scattered throughout various hobbies.

Which was precisely what the main players in the Enlightenment wanted--to reduce religion to a hobby indulged in the home with no effect on public life.

People had hobbies back when the Church was allowed to matter. The sane ones didn't let their hobbies consume their identities. You might've liked gardening or stamp collecting, but you largely kept it to yourself outside the company of fellow hobbyists or unless asked.

The proper order of faith and entertainment has been inverted. Honk. Honk.

To see how people's identities have gotten mixed up in their hobbies, take a quick glance at the 'gate controversies popping up among various fandoms on a more or less daily basis. #GamerGate was the big one, but it failed due to infiltration by controlled opposition and exploitation by online grifters.

It's telling that every subsequent fandom revolt has enjoyed a brief honeymoon period before skipping straight to the "milked by grifters" stage. "If a man loses faith in God, he doesn't believe nothing, he'll believe anything," is illustrative here.

Few now can imagine--by design--a time when popular culture wasn't partitioned into myriad fractured fandoms. Sure, people had different tastes, but there were cultural touchstones everybody shared, and more of them.

Everybody tuned in to The Shadow. Everybody read Edgar Rice Burroughs. Everybody saw Gone with the Wind.

But a people with a shared culture and a strong identity is hard to conquer, so universal popular culture had to go. Fandom was the murder weapon used to kill Western culture.

[...]

Fortunately, there are creators laboring to forge new culture in the tradition of our ancestors. For a refreshing take on the mecha genre that clears away all the stale cliche cobwebs, check out my new martial thriller Combat Frame XSeed.

Brian Niemeier, Kairos 20 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:14 PM]
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Quote# 143362

(=This is only the start of a long tiraid he goes off against dozens of other people=)

Martin Yirrell: No one is a Gay Christian.

GMaccy101: Seriously, find something more worthwhile to do with your time and leave Vicky alone.

Martin Yirrell: There can be nothing more worthwhile than warning the sinner of the peril they are in.

GMaccy101: We shall not agree so best if you go and find some other people to be more positive with.

Martin Yirrell: You don't think my comment is positive, it is at the heart of the gospel.

GMaccy101: If that is your gospel, it's not love as far as I'm concerned. Look at the hurt you are causing. Now, go and spread some love somewhere else.

Martin Yirrell: Is it not love to warn sinners of the peril they are in and point them to the only answer?
It is not love to accept their sin and say nothing about it.
The surgeon's knife causes pain but in the long term heals.

maartenw #FBPE: No surgeon would remove Cataracts from your eyes if he was suffering from the same condition. You are infected with the same disease so no, you have no right to judge. Take the Plank out of your own eye first

Martin Yirrell: Try reading the rest of Matthew 7. And should I not warn those in mortal danger of their danger?

maartenw #FBPE: Nope you're so full of your own sin you don't even know what sin is. All you have is your own highly unreliable interpretation of the bible. Furthermore this isn't about warning others. You do this because it feeds your pride and makes you feel better about yourself.

Martin Yirrell: Actually it's a fairly plain statement:
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15 [ESV])
Clearly you didn't bother reading the rest of Matthew 7.

Larry McCauley: It's self-indulgence dressed up as concern. Love doesn't harass or uselessly re-open wounds. As for sin...sin is a choice. Being gay is not. As far as condemnation goes; God is love & all encompassing. What is all-encompassing can have no opposite.

Martin Yirrell: Being 'gay' is simply a choice to behave in a sexually immoral way. God is three persons, not an all encompassing force.

Martin Yirrell: Try to stop using potty language like a seven year old.

Crispin: Martin, whatever profound mental issues you have that cause this obsession with other people's sexuality, I urge you not to inflict them on this person you don't know. Or anyone for that matter. Keep your warped head to yourself.

Gerry: That passage..Basically says no one will inhenrit the kingdom... He who is without blame, cast the first stone..

Martin Yirrell: Actually it doesn't, because it goes on to say that Christians are washed from such sin.

Gerry: But that means ALL Christians, including gays

Martin Yirrell: There are no gays.

Gerry:????

Martin Yirrell: They are just sexual sinners in need of salvation.

Gerry: #Corinthians 13-'faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.' #Celebrate #Rejoice, don't reject

Martin Yirrell: Homosexuality is not about love, it's about lust.

Martin Yirrell, Twitter 6 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:09 PM]
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Quote# 143361

evidence for the resurrection

It’s Easter time once again! A Sunday that marks the single most pivotal point of Christianity. If you want to prove Christianity is a hoax, all you must do is illustrate how the resurrection was a facade. It is absolutely essential to our salvation that Christ conquered death, for if Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead our hope is lost. 1 Corinthians 15:14 likewise states, “And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.” Without the resurrection our belief is baseless, futile, unfounded, and foolish. So why is it we believe such an outlandish claim could actually happen, superseding the natural laws of earth? Here’s a few reasons…

The Bible is the most historically accurate ancient text in the world — When discussing the validity of history, it’s only reasonable to reference your source that has proven most reliable. The Bible is that source. No other record of ancient history has come CLOSE to matching the reliability of the Bible. If we say the Bible is untrustworthy, we must discard every other historical record as well because the Bible vastly surpasses every test of authenticity as no other book does. More on that here and here.

Yes, Jesus really died - Many people start off with the dispute that maybe Jesus wasn’t really dead. However, that neglects both the historical and circumstancial context. The Romans were masters at execution. They knew how to draw out suffering to the finest line between death and life, make it last for days on end. This was their art form. These men were proficient and practiced. Jesus was tortured, whipped with a scourge that often exposed bone and vital organs, tearing flesh from a body. Many people didn’t survive that alone. He was forced to carry a cross that could have weight up to 300lbs, and he crumpled under the weight, unable to bear it. Nails were driven through his wrist and through both his feet. Make note he would be unable to walk from the pain in his feet, his hands would be rendered useless. The way you hang on a cross causes death by asphyxiation, to breathe you had to push your self up with means grating your torn back against the wood and putting more pressure on the holes ripping your limbs. After Jesus died they speared his side to make certain he was dead and fluid came pouring out. The Romans checked thoroughly to make sure he was dead because they were shocked he died so quickly. He was bloated, swollen, and gored by death on a cross. Even if for arguments sake, Jesus was not yet dead, being in a tomb for three days would indisputably see to that. If blood loss didn’t kill him, infection certainly would. Additionally, Luke, one of eyewitnesses who recorded the events, was a doctor so his perspective is a notably authoritative one. (Luke 23-24).

The tomb was empty - There is no possible way Jesus, weakened to the point where the Roman masters of execution called his death, unable to use his hands or feet due to the spikes pounded into them, was able to roll away a MASSIVE boulder and over power two trained and able-bodied Roman soldiers. The idea that Jesus didn’t fully die on the cross and escaped the tomb is absurd. Furthermore, the guards stationed to prevent anyone from robbing the tomb and the Roman seal on the two-ton rock ensured that anyone who dared to even attempt to move it faced the death penalty themselves. If the guards themselves fell asleep they faced the same fate. There was a LOT at stake if Jesus’ body was taken, the Romans were taking no chances. Every other argument for the absence of Jesus’ body can quickly be dismantled by historical context and the circumstances by which these things took place.

It was prophesied - Isaiah talks about the particular circumstances of Jesus death, such as no bones would be broken, an unusual anomaly when it came to crucifixion. Jesus himself also foretells that he will rise within three days. Even smaller details like casting lots for His garments were spoken of hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Other prophesies like this show that Jesus’ death was no accident, God knew what He was doing. (Isaiah 52:13-53:12; John 18-20)

Eyewitness accounts - Jesus appeared to over 500 people after His resurrection, many of whom were alive at the time of the gospels being written and therefore could confirm or dispute their accuracy (1 Corinthians 15:6) Among those include the disciples, Mary Magdalene, and Paul the former murderer of Christians. The Bible records accounts of skeptism and unbelief, but they saw the scars on his hands, touched his solid flesh before them, heard his familiar voice, and they believed because of it. Paul became that which he initially DESPISED because of his encounter with Jesus Christ, that alone is a mind-blowing testimony. The man who hunted and killed Christians became a Christian who was willing to be tortured and killed because he so strongly believed in the saving death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The apostles went from hiding in extreme fear to preaching the gospel in the face of deadly persecution - When Jesus died the apostles went into hiding. They were TERRIFIED that the Romans, the other Jews, would come after them next. Yet, after Jesus appears, they’re fearlessly preaching the gospel out in open crowds of THOUSANDS. It’s a dramatic switch of perspective. To go from quivering fear to such emboldened confidence, surely seeing Jesus standing risen before you would give you that kind of intrepidation. There is little else to explain how these men were suddenly ready to risk everything after being afraid to admit they ever knew Jesus just days before.

Apostles willing to die for Jesus - Now some people say the apostles stole the body of Jesus to convince people to turn to Christianity. The Bible says that lie was started by the Romans in order to discredit the apostles. However, almost all of the apolstles died for preaching the gospel, and all of them were severely persecuted. Why would they exchange their lives, their health, their reputation, their livelihoods, their comfort for something they knew was a lie? It simply makes no sense. The only logical conclusion is that they believed Jesus was the resurrected Christ.

Appearing to a woman first was a dumb move - The testimony of a woman would not be as respected as than of a man in those times. If Jesus’ resurrection was a ruse, the logical thing to do would be to claim he was seen by a male dignitary of noble standing, not a woman who had been previously possessed by demons - a social blemish (Luke 8:2). “Unflattering” facts like this, the cowardis of the apolstles, their initial skeptism, not recognizing Jesus right away, etc. lend to the credit of the account because it demonstrates an accurate retelling, not a fabrication that was crafted to deceptively sway the masses into false belief.

Vision, hallucination unlikely due to number of witnesses and circumstances - Jesus didn’t appear to two people and then go back to Heaven. He appeared to over 500 in all sorts of different locations. People who weren’t looking for him, people who didn’t believe it was Him until they had proof. Proof so certain that they were no longer afraid, they were filled with unextinguishable hope. We must also realize the historical context of the time in which it took place. It’s much easier to fabricate this kind of illusion today with the technology and way by which we pass on information. The time period in which the resurrection took place adds merit that should not be ignored. News was circulated in a manner that was unique to our present day process.

Non-Christian historians record the resurrection - Josephus, a renowned secular historian at the time of Jesus’ death, writes, “On the third day He appeared… restored to life.” It should be noted there are many who debate the reliability of Josephus’ words regarding the resurrection, however, many historians find this evidence to support the Bible’s claims.

The persecution of the early church - Under Nero’s reign the early church suffered some of the most violent persecution, not to mention the Jewish leaders who also sought to kill the Christians. The steadfast resolve of a Church who was in its infant stage is astounding. The only explanation is that they all genuinely believed in the resurrection. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose by preaching the gospel, yet they did so freely despite the cost. If Christianity was based on a lie, it should have been easy to crush it as it was beginning. The fact that the force of the entire Roman Empire wasn’t enough to sway their devotion is incredible. The whole of the known world tried to annihilate Christianity in the cradle but couldn’t.

It is the accumulation of evidence that begs cause for belief - It is not for one singular reason that we believe Jesus rose from the dead, but rather the combined evidence that demands an explanation% that only the Bible provides. The proven accuracy of the Bible, the eyewitnesses details; the historical records of Jesus walking, eating, alive; the unexplainable absence in the tomb despite all efforts to seal it; the prophesies fulfilled; the change in people’s lives, the martyrs, the flourishing of the church in the face of persecution. It all points back to Jesus rising from the dead as the only reasonable explanation. The Bible consistently presents answers to questions the world has no answer for.

More comprehensive analysis and sources
Within these sources you’ll find more Biblical references, breaking down arguments and evidence, and quotes from some of the world’s finest minds and historians.


* The Resurrection of Christ: The Best Proved Fact in History
* Resurrection: No Doubt About It
* Biblical and Extra-Biblical Evidences
* Is the Resurrection True?
* Atheist’s Look at the Resurrection

Still got questions/comments? Shoot me an ask! I don’t usually reply to comments on long posts, but I’d certainly love to talk!

thescienceofapologetics, Tumblr 12 Comments [4/21/2019 12:49:03 PM]
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Quote# 143359

(=After Notre Dam caught fire=)

Guglielmo Marinaro: It is a tragedy that this beautiful cathedral, in which people have been worshipping God for centuries, has been so seriously damaged.

Martin: I doubt they ever worshipped God there, and they ejected the true believers from their land long ago.

Martin, Archbishop Cranmer 5 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:49 PM]
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Quote# 143358

I was in a grocery store the other day, and heard in the news (over their store radio) that the ungodly American company Netflix is booming in profits, adding 9,000,000 new subscribers. Netflix already has 139 million subscribers! Do you think the Luciferian powers behind the subversion of America aren't going to exploit such an opportunity to corrupt families? You better believe it! Netflix is guilty of promoting hardcore pornography, homosexuality and all manner of filth and ungodliness! Netflix is like looking in a dumpster for a good meal. As an American, born in 1967 and growing up as part of our ungodly American culture, I have seen firsthand the degeneration of our nation.

My father wisely taught me as a boy in the 1970's, that although sin is more open in public among black people, white people are equally as sinful, their sins are just more hidden. We are all sinners! I think my father was wise for explaining people that way. We are all woeful sinners! White people are just as sinful as black people, but their sins are more hidden. This is especially true of Freemasons and the Luciferian elite! Since the sexual revolution of the 1960's, we have gradually witnessed sin become open in American society, and we are today seeing the damage done by our acceptance and tolerance of sin! The abundance and type of crimes that we hear about in the daily news is disturbing! Proverbs 14:34, “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.”

The Devil is no doubt extremely pleased with the invention of the television. It is hard to believe that there were no household televisions (or HELLivisions) a hundred years ago! In 1946 only 6,000 American households owned a Tv, but that numbered soared to 22,000,000 Tv's by 1952! Technology has always been a double-edge sword, allowing man to travel further down the road he was already on. Man is evil, not technology! It is critically important for Christian believers to understand the Satanic agenda behind television, and how the Luciferian elite are intentionally using it to destroy families.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 21 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:47 PM]
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Quote# 143357

Trump has been doing the agenda of God, has he not? Pr o life, anti gay "rights", recognizing Israel, destroying Isis, rebuilding economy etc?

Yeshua1, BaptistBoard 9 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:44 PM]
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Quote# 143356


Does It Matter? Jason Lisle sets the record straight.

Does it really matter what we as Christians believe about the Biblical account of creation? Some Christians are plagued by this question. Others ignore it in hopes it will “just go away.” Regardless of what where you stand on the question, the answer has profound impact.

In a recent article, William Lane Craig, a prominent Christian apologist addressed this question with the following:

“I think that [Young Earth Creationism] YEC as a scientific hypothesis is quite hopeless….But YEC as a hermeneutical hypothesis is quite another matter. I want to approach the text with an open mind, despite the terrifying prospect that YEC might actually be correct as a hermeneutical hypothesis. In that case, we would face some very hard choices. Given YEC’s failure as a scientific hypothesis, we should have to conclude that the Bible teaches scientific error and therefore revise our doctrine of inspiration to accommodate this fact. That is a route one would prefer not to take.” (emphasis added)

Craig reveals the essential struggle with any old-earth view applied to Scripture – it impacts the hermeneutic. What we believe and know from God’s Word and from the creation regarding God’s self-revelation is either negatively or positively impacted by what we believe concerning the creation.

Dr. Jason Lisle offers an exceptional response to William Lane Craig. While giving an exceptional point-by-point refutation of the thinking that elevates human reason over Biblical revelation with regard to knowing what is true, Dr. Lisle points out the necessity that both our scientific and Biblical hermeneutic must agree. What we know from science depends on the fact that the Bible is true.

“But the method of science is itself predicated upon the literal truth of Scripture, starting with an historical Genesis. Namely, our expectation that there are patterns to be found in nature is justified by the biblical revelation that God has imposed order on creation (Genesis 1) and upholds all reality by the Word of His power (Hebrews 1:3), in a consistent way with discoverable cycles (Genesis 8:22). Our expectation that our senses can reliably inform us about nature is founded on the biblical historical fact that God created our senses (Proverbs 20:12). Our presupposition that our own reasoning ability has at least some capacity to distinguish truth from error makes sense only in light of the Genesis historical fact that people are made in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27). Science is only justified if the Bible – including biblical creation – is true.”

Read all of Jason Lisle’s response. You will be blessed and encouraged.

Additionally, you may wish to view the presentation by Dr. Ronald Marks, Does It Matter?

Dr. Jason Lisle, Creation Study Group 8 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:42 PM]
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Quote# 143355

(*Exerpts from a pager defending YEC*)


(1) That the verb “created” in Genesis 1:1 is in the perfect tense is very true. That “when a perfect verb is used at the beginning of a unit in Hebrew narrative, it usually functions to describe an event that precedes the main storyline” is less defensible. The perfect tense is by far the most common tense used in Hebrew and as such carries very little exegetical freight (think the aorist in Greek). Having said this, the likeliest explanation of the verb is that it details an event that is actually part of the biblical story line, not an undefined precedent to the storyline that stands temporally outside of it. See below.

(2) I also disagree that Genesis 1:3–2:3 represents a “highly patterned structure of forming and filling” (informed readers will recognize here the language of the highly inventive “framework theory” popular today). Instead, this chapter is, in terms of its linguistic features, a very mundane and simply structured piece of Hebrew narrative not unlike most of the rest of the book. All the syntactical and rhetorical features of this chapter point routinely to a narrative sequence of consecutive days—days that must necessarily occur in immediate succession for the very survival of the unfolding universe.

The Earth, Darkness, and Water Are Created Before “The First Day.”
Building on his assumption, above, that Genesis 1:1–2 details the background to the creative week, Taylor’s article now clearly asserts that light, darkness, earth, and water existed before the creation week (and apparently a long time before, in order to accommodate the assured results of science). However, if, as I have argued in point (1), Genesis 1:1–2 details the actual creation of the unformed and unfilled materials that occurred on Day 1, this argument fails.

Who is right? Well, Exodus 20:11 gives us a very clear answer: “In six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.” There could be no plainer rebuttal of Taylor’s affirmation: the heavens and the earth and the seas were not created “before the first day,” but rather on one of those six days, viz., the first.

Taylor’s arguments that (1) light existed before the celestial beings and (2) reached earth immediately are thorny ones for which YECs do not have a unified answer, but few see these as serious problems. In answer to the first problem some YECs argue a temporary light source or light sourced in God himself. Ultimately the debate is incidental. After all, God hears without ears and sees without eyes, so it is not hard for us to extrapolate light without a sun. In answer to the second problem some suggest that God created with apparent age and others that the speed of light has slowed since the creation week. Again, however, this is an intramural and incidental debate. God is a supernatural God who makes bread appear instantly without growing the grain, milling it, or baking it; likewise, making mature light is not difficult for our supernatural and omnipotent God.

The Seventh Day Is Not 24 Hours Long
Sure it is. Miles Van Pelt’s comments aside, it would appear that the argument from Exodus 20:11 is unassailable. The Israelites were to work six ordinary days and rest for one ordinary day, just as God created in six ordinary days and rested for one ordinary day—one that started at evening Friday and ended the same time on the following day. That the original Sabbath, by analogy, points to a greater rest for the people of God (Heb 10 etc.) in no way suggests that the Sabbath template itself was itself a “greater day.” Admittedly, there is no “evening-morning” clause used of the seventh day in Genesis 2, but there is no syntactical reason forthcoming to believe that it was anything other than an ordinary day.

The “Day” of Genesis 2:4 Cannot Be 24 Hours Long.
True. And you’ll not find a YEC who affirms otherwise. Some will be astonished by this, no doubt, but we young-earth creations really have noticed Genesis 2:4 before today, and our answer is long-standing and well developed—if only our detractors cared to read rather than assume our arguments. The YEC argument is not an unqualified affirmation that the word yom always refers to a 24-hour day. If one of us were to make such an argument, then our old-earth brothers would have good reason to snicker. But we don’t say this. And so I beg the old-earth community to have the integrity to stop rehearsing this silly strawman as though it were a legitimate argument.

....

This brings me, finally, to five positive arguments why we ought to think of the days of Genesis 1 as literal, several of them distilled from the material above:

The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because when one examines the many other singular uses of yom in a non-compound grammatical structure throughout the OT, the idea of a literal day is nearly universal.
The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because they are accompanied by ordinals (first, second, third, etc.). Of the more than 150 uses of yom with an ordinal in the rest of the Hebrew OT, just one (Hos 6:2) refers to something other than a literal day.
The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because of the use of the qualifier “evening and morning” throughout Genesis 1. It seems to go without saying that while literal days have mornings and evenings, figurative days do not.
The days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because anything other than literal days renders the comparison with Exodus 20:11 a matter of equivocation. Israel worked six literal days and rested for one literal day. God created for six literal days and rested for one literal day. The idea of God creating via a six-point framework and then resting eternally does not seem to offer much of a precedent for Israel’s seven-day workweek.
Finally, and more historical/theological than exegetical in nature, the days of Genesis 1 are literal, 24-hour days because this has been the overwhelmingly majority plain reading of the text throughout church history—at least until it came into conflict with the “assured results of modern science.” The old-earth idea of non-literal days is without serious doubt a product not of grammatical-historical exegesis, but of the accommodation of the Bible to the assured results of modern science as independent, norming factors in biblical interpretation. Old-earth creationism is at its heart a blunt denial, I would argue, of the Bible as the norma Normans non normata.


Bible Study Tools, Bible Study Tools 7 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:38 PM]
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God hates fags.

Fags infect children.

Children die fags laugh.

God hates fags.

punished_thn, Reddit - /r/CringeAnarchy 8 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:29 PM]
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Quote# 143352

Always remember Jesus said the Jews were “children of Satan” (John 8:44) and then accused them of pretending to be descended from ancient Israel in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

”They who claim to be Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan.”

Jesus was an Israelite, not a Jew. This is why the Jews murdered Him, NOT the Romans, and why they spilled His innocent blood; cursing Him as He died. Jews lie people die. That is the story of history.

This Easter make sure to remember who it was who slaughtered God’s Son.

punished_thn, Reddit - /r/MetaCanada 11 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:27 PM]
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Quote# 143350

1242: France Burns All Known Copies of the Talmud


It’s amazing how annoying and disgusting Jews are, but even more amazing is how long they’ve been disgusting and annoying. Literally thousands of years.

Fuck these demons.

punished_thn, Reddit - /r/AltRightChristian 3 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:24 PM]
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Quote# 143349



WTF I love Egypt now


Look at them trying to subvert them.

It's amazing. You can build the highest wall you like but over the air america will still invade your culture and homosexualise / demoralise you.



redbluerat, Reddit - /r/CringeAnarchy 0 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:22 PM]
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Quote# 143348

>Got nothing against some trans people

no we just want them to have mental health help not surgery, but that makes us nazis


Agree 100%. Mental illness shouldn't be encouraged - I doubt gender reassignment surgery would be a fix in about 99.9% of these people.

TomatoPoodle, Reddit - /r/CringeAnarchy 4 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:17 PM]
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With the two best arguments now having been tabled, in one case the argument has been met with a rebuttal and in the other case it has not. A debate is meant to be a structured argument, wherein opponents on the battlefield of ideas meet each other on equal terms. The objections I have raised to the material advocated by Dan are these:

1. The authors of the article Dan cited were not equitable with the facts, opting rather to foist a false paradigm onto readers of their material than to be totally honest in their approach

2. Varve counts contain a demonstrable old cosmos bias

3. Circular reasoning: Varve counts and radio carbon dating are being used to calibrate each other

4. The original researchers, according to Dan’s own presentation, had to retract and amend their findings on the order of a nearly 40% adjustment downward. It seems clear this only happened in retrospect and in response to negative attention garnered from young earth creationists

Dan has been given the opportunity to respond to the rebuttal material I have submitted, but at no time have I been granted the same opportunity since Dan has steadfastly refused to interact in any meaningful way with the material tabled in my opening argument. In other words, Dan has refused to abide by the simple format of an actual debate, stating for his answer to this objection that he’s just not interested in the material I’ve submitted because it’s old and isn’t well enough understood. Either Dan has not the foggiest idea what it means to have an actual debate, or he thinks the rules do not apply to him but to other people only. Maybe Dan has confused the average Disqus conversation for actual debate. If so, I’m sure he’s not the only Disqus commentator to strain beneath the weight of that error.

My argument rests on the following premises:

1. The planets in our solar system each have measurable magnetic fields

2. All of the planetary magnetic fields are diminishing in strength and this fact is supported by empirical evidence. In all cases, the magnetic fields of the planets in our solar system have been measured and the majority of them have been measured multiple times. In all cases, a simple reading of the documented facts shows that the fields are weakening over time.

3. In the case of Earth’s magnetic field, if calculated into the past, field strength decay rates indicate the field cannot possibly be older than 10,000 years, because if it were older than that, the intensity of the field would have been sufficient to melt Earth's mantle.

4. While secular scientists acknowledge diminishing field strength, they have proposed that the fields somehow regenerate their strength and spontaneously recharge, in direct violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Secular scientists have never been able to come up with a model of how the fields are ‘regenerating’, but they steadfastly maintain the fields MUST be periodically regenerating, because their model of the cosmos is the correct model. This, again, is the exact opposite of any sound scientific method.

My debate opponent has had nothing to say about any of this, except that he believes the above except that he believes the above claims are confusing and not well enough understood by science. He offers nothing by way of support for that claim, however. He just says so and maintains that my arguments are somehow contrary to ‘good’ science or are otherwise beneath his dignity to address in any meaningful way.

The purpose of this debate is a simple one: The purpose is to show that one model, the Bible’s specified 6000 year-old model of the cosmos, is the correct model and that the preferred model of modern secular science is the incorrect model. I had intended to show that one model can withstand any manner of attack even from a reasonable and seemingly well-educated mind which has adopted belief in an alternate invalid model. Unfortunately, we have been partially cheated of that purpose because Dan has refused to comply with the rules. So be it. Any impartial observer of this debate has seen one side easily undermined by perfectly valid observations rendering the conclusions of the varve study a study in wishful thinking. The method for dating the Earth which the conductors of that study have latched onto, is a wholly useless tool for the purposes they have assigned it. They have guaranteed a false outcome from the outset based entirely upon the invalid presuppositions with which they begin their study. It is little different from the stilted outcomes generated by other flawed presuppositions, namely those which attend the conclusions drawn when supposing light has always and only traveled at a constant, unchanging and unchangeable speed. It’s a spurious assumption and the very scientific community which relies upon that assumption for other ways of supporting its model, has uncovered the proof of its unreliability. A non-constant speed of light is very often addressed in frank discussions within the secular scientific community:

Such is the problem with invalid assumptions and the far-reaching chaos those assumptions can generate.

One model of the cosmos is utterly unaffected by the ever-changing foundations of secular science. That is the biblically-valid model of a 6000 year-old cosmos. The Heavens and the Earth were created by God very nearly 6000 years ago. Scientists who begin with this understanding of our reality are not called upon to continuously conjure up fantastic arguments which, however implausible-sounding, just might provide the sliver of possibility needed to keep their model alive. But each time the so-called experts on the other side – with their ‘overwhelming consensus’ – come up with what they present to the world as bullet-proof arguments or sets of evidence which demonstrate the validity of their model to the exclusion of any young cosmos model…

…they are shown to have overplayed their hand every… single… time. And the example tabled by Dan for the purposes of this debate – a debate which never really happened – is no exception to that rule.

(Dan is now given the opportunity to respond by hopefully posting his own closing argument and that will conclude this debate.)

Albert Swearengen, Grace And Truth 5 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:13 PM]
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(=A board discussing Christians who believe in Evolution=)

Furthermore our salvation hangs on a young earth and six days creation for scripture says Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

If death came in any way shape or form (let's include entropy) before Adam sinned then the whole thing falls apart. Don't give one inch to creation progressives, they destroy God's word and the faith of the weak!

Brother Victor, Grace And Truth 6 Comments [4/21/2019 12:48:06 PM]
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Resisting temptations
By Patsy Lambert - Contributing Columnist

Satan temps us and he is called the tempter. He is called the source of all temptation, and he only succeeds because we let him. We let him succeed because of our weakness.

This is one reason Why we need Jesus. Only He can forgive us when we sin, and only He can give us strength to resist the temptations of Satan.

Remember how Satan tempted Jesus? The first one was "If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread."

The second was "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down."

The third was "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and he sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. And saith unto him, all these things I give thee, it thou, wilt fall down and worship me."

"Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence Satan: for it is written, Thou Shalt Worship The Lord Thy God, And Him Only Shalt Thy Serve." Then the devil, leaveth him and behold the angels came and ministered unto him. Matthew 4:1-11.

We need the Word of God to help us resist temptations.

Patsy Lambert, Newberry Observer 3 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:59 PM]
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Quote# 143341

I've noticed that many mentally ill people also tend to dip into homosexuality. I noticed this with my ex as well. Why is that?

WholesomeAbuser, Reddit - /r/AskReddit 7 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:48 PM]
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Everywhere we turn nowadays we are bombarded with the garbage that homosexuals deserve to be treated like everyone else. The big problem is that it all boils down to whether or not a person THINKS homosexuality is a sin? Would you feel that a convicted murderer, adulterer, child molester, thief, embezzler, arsonist, rapist, or bank robber, deserves to be treated THE SAME as everybody else? Of course you wouldn't (unless you are a bad person yourself). So who is the U.S. government to dictate what is or isn't a sin? What arrogance! What do you expect from the same ungodly government that has banned the Holy Bible from children's daily lives in public schools since 1963, and instead forces the blatant lies of Evolution upon them? If, as the lying legislative leaders of this country claim, they really cared about not infringing upon the beliefs of atheist Americans, then why do they force the obvious lies of Evolution upon those same children, many of whom come from Christian homes? Why the utter hypocrisy? Clearly, a group of ungodly people want to rid children's minds of God and the Holy Bible, and replace it with humanism and the falsehood of Evolution. Hell will be hot enough!!!

I do not suggest nor endorse harassment or violence against “gays,” but I also encourage fellow Christians not to accept or go along with the ungodly homosexual agenda. It is evil. I am friendly and kind to everyone, but I would never hire, bid Godspeed, voluntarily work with, nor associate even remotely with a known homosexual. I would NEVER allow my children to play with other children, who live under the care of two homosexuals. My primary concern would be the other children teaching lies they have been taught about homosexuality to my children, and a secondary concern would be the threat from the queers themselves. A homosexual cannot be trusted for numerous reasons! One reason is that you cannot trust a person who is living in rebellion against God. Another reason is that homosexuals think abnormally, and that is cause for concern. We have a Biblical duty to refute all works of darkness. Ephesians 5:11, “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” I am reproving the sin of homosexuality!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 12 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:43 PM]
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Quote# 143319

Atheists cannot perceive beyond the senses , or have deep intuition and spiritual insight to believe in the Creator of the solar system.

This is now the so called in Sanscrit - The Kaliyuga!....

An age characterised by intense darkness and Evil!

We are living in a spiritually sterile l materialistic, faithless, Soulless, Godless drunken, drug infested, sexually perverse Age of darkness and ignorance and aggressive disbelief and irreverence for anything truly pure Holy clean and true........

That the laws of light, life and God are now subverted and turned upside down that many people especially Atheists think now that Good is Bad and bad is good! Yep! T'is truly the End of days as the wise Christians tend to say-

Even Michael Jackson knew the truth of it as he was always singing- you know I'm BAD! I'm bad I'm really really bad! And everyone's going -

Good! Good! Good! He! He!

Are atheist under demonic influences?

Humans can be possessed by a demon for sure - mostly atheists as they do not believe in God or even demons for that matter, and easily turn over to the dark side of the Force like luke!!

First Never be an Atheist you will not be safe otherwise - and very depressing!

Let's face it shall we-

An atheist is a spiritually sterile materialistic faithless, soulless Godless heathen who couldn't see a hammer if it was about to O hit them Square in the face!

Atheists are most susceptible to demonic influences and in court will be the first to say - its was the voices! The voices made me do it! Without having the slightest clue as to what just happened! Actually NOT to believe in God weakens you!

How Foolish!.

I would rather be dead than be an Atheist!

How about atheistic selections of people.....

? Avoid Egotistical and arrogant people.

Avoid drug infested people especially Crack, ice and heroin Addicts!

Avoid vampiric and Life sucking people!

Avoid negative people!

Avoid sexually perverse men!

Avoid atheists in general you just can't trust them! and worst still- they are in charge of this World and making all those decisions you hear about every day that is killing this Earth!

They are going to press the RED button one day and send the entire World back to Kingdom come!

Avoid Atheists like the Plague!

Actually......

Only God is real!

It is the World that is false!

It is non-existence and will fade with the end of this Entropic Universe which must come to an end oneday no doubt!

And all that will remain will be God! Therefore In order to achieve enlightenment you must realise that the World is false ! It is a kind of perceptual illusion!

Understand That the mind is a liar! It is the slayer of the truth! Therefore you must slay the slayer!

For the Sleeper must awaken!

So live the higher life!

Avoid lowlifes!

Be courageous for life!

Lack of self confidence Any low self-esteem is forbidden!

An Atheist can never achieve enlightenment never ever!

An atheist is spiritually dead inside! An Atheist can never plumb the depth of Spirit, or know of its exquisite beauty beyond measure!

Life is a testing ground for souls and not a frolicking funfair for the exploitation of Imbecile emotions such as hate anger jealousy ect! And neither is life meant for the following of the meanderings of half-baked intellectual and Political Systems!

Life is for Self-transcendence so PASS the TEST! And become enlightened! There is Utterly no Chance of Enlightenment if you are an Atheist!

I laugh at atheist actually because there are no real atheist!

Look here....

This is the atheist deathbed prayer -

O God if there is a God!

Save my Soul! If I have a Soul!

Sorry mate! Too late mate, because you're in the losing team mate!! As 95% of this world's population believe in God in some form or another!

It's actually natural for you to believe in God?

Also......

If your child has been in a car crash and your waiting in the emergency ward for any news?

You see how many Atheists will begin to pray at a point in life like that!

Even I were a plain ordinary atheist I would still be pointing up to the sky saying - Mmmm? Well I don't know, but I say that there's something up there even if I do not at present know what it is, or what to call it!

Because that is the Open-minded attitude and approach to this profound subject!

It is just not intelligent to have a closed mind!

The Universe goes on into eternity ! it is all out there just waiting for you! And what! You don't think that there is something out there? Some amazing design, or designer?

Generally speaking -

No atheists really unless you are really dumb.

Actually atheist are all in physical and spiritual danger-

*I can't understand you atheists at all! You are about to be Raped and killed and run over on the Highway and roads and God is Screaming at you! I love you so so so MUCH!

Turn back!

Turn back!

Turn back!

But because they have failed to look out for the signs -

(And there are always evil portent or Signs before great disasters) NOW- you are now going to be killed hurt maimed Raped, Brutally murdered! and possibly Die Terribly just because you did not believe in the Creator, you wanted you saved, but you failed to look out for the signs in your Godlessness!

Sheer lunacy!

As I have said -

And Atheist is a Spiritually Sterile, Materialistic, Faithless, Soulless Godless Heathen!

Can you truly afford to take that kind of a chance, especially where your Life and MORE is concerned?

Really?

For Christ sake Save yourself! save your life!

Save yourself from Perdition and the Eternal darkness!

When the time comes will you be able to stand it for even a moment? Aaaaaaaaaaaa!

OMG! Where am I! OMG! There is no Escape! And what is that coming up behind Me! I can't take it anymore! I'm burning! I'm Burning! Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!

Or how about being killed over and over again yet never Dying because you've already done it once! Aaaaaaaaaa!

The Creator gave you the greatest power in the Universe - A free will! A free will to choose between God/light or darkness!

Buy once the decision has been made you've made your bed! Now you've got to lie in it - but don't blame God afterwards if it wasn't what you expected!

So never never never ever say that there is no God! You are not an atheist! You are a Child of the most high GOD!

*In fact atheists are fast Asleep!

Atheists are in fact in a coma.

In fact this World is in the state that it is in solely because of atheists! They are all in a Coma!

SO- Learn the Art of becoming well Versed in the practise of BEING WIDE AWAKE!

BELIEVE AND LIVE!

*I wrote this last week - especially for Clergy who are experiencing a Crisis of Faith and for hard core atheists!






David Hague, Quora 13 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:39 PM]
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The Award
After the report of the captains and the wicked counsels of the twelve counselors. I saw Lucifer stand up on a platform and this is what He said, "we have three awards to give to those who have done more to make our kingdom come and our will done on earth as it is in hell. Our top prize goes to the spirit of slumber. This is the spirit that has distracted much of the army of the Holy One and put many of them to sleep. The only reason why we rule over many lives and regions today is because of the work of this Agent and his legions." I watched as the spirit of slumber and distraction walked up towards the platform where Lucifer stood. As he walked, everyone in the whole assembly went to sleep and did not wake up until he collected his award and returned to his seat. They went to sleep with their eyes wide open; they were active and still moving, but asleep. This is the same spirit that works to immobilize the leaders of nations bringing them into a drunken stupor and creating moral incapacitation, especially when critical decisions need to be made. This spirit holds leaders long enough in disorientation to effect changes and to turn the course of a nation to darkness irrevocably. They are also responsible for planting wicked counselors that influence kings towards evil. The award looked like a golden cup laced with shining stones of all colors and shapes. This cup was for divination. Along with increased authority in Satan's kingdom, he was also given a scepter.
Following him was the second prize given to a serpent-like spirit who was awarded for seducing leaders. He came on his belly as a serpent of many bright and beautiful colors to receive this award. When he arrived at the platform he took the shape of a beautiful woman; she was completely spotless, pleasant, beautiful and charming to look at. The whole assembly was hypnotized just by looking at her but the spell she cast was broken when she turned back into a serpent to crawl back to her position. She was given a silver cup laced with precious stones.
The third winner was also in the form of a lady; she is the spirit of mammon. She is the harlot of Babylon who prostitutes herself for the silver and gold of the nations. She wields tremendous authority among the nations of the earth. She uses silver and gold to cause nations, individuals and institutions to bow and worship at the throne of Lucifer. She sets nations up to depend on her by showing extravagant generosity beyond words, especially in their times of distress. Once nations, institutions or individuals come to enjoy the fruits of her "kindness", they then begin to depend on her. After showing all forms of "kindness" to her new guest, she then quietly waits for the honeymoon of their newly-found relationship to be over. Once this time of flatten* has fully-bloomed and she has come to know that her new guest is depending on her. she then brings out the shackles. Very few escape her maximum security cage. She guts life out of her captives and leaves them as zombies in her hard labor prison camps. Kings and Queens of the earth worship her. Many have pledged their very souls to her. She is single-handedly responsible for many who are called to preach the gospel not answering their call. Although she was given the third place award, she has caused the greatest number of people to become and remain loyal servants of Satan; bound to him and his slavish systems. She is the deal-maker for Satan. She buys nations, individuals, institutions and territories in times of their economic hardness and life turbulences. She gives them deals they cannot refuse when they need it most. Not many turn down her deals; those who do. suffer tremendous consequences. She brings to mind the statement of Satan to God in Job 2:4. "Skin for skin! Yes. all that a man has he will give for his life." Coming to collect her award, she was decked out with very expensive jewels and precious stones. She was coming drunk looking very much like a Mardi-Gras character. She was drinking from her trademark gold cup and she was drinking her trade drink; the blood of the saints. The most shocking thing was that the crowd loved her and thought she was funny and very entertaining in her costume. They loved her because she brings results and whatever she does morally or in her private life is no big deal to anyone. "She helps the economically troubled, she feeds the hungry, she intervenes when we have natural disasters, she is very effective in what she does, and she is the most caring and most sympathetic person ever". Satan praised her as the kings of earth agreed loudly. She received another shiny necklace made of gold and decorated with all kinds of precious stones, as well as a brand new gold cup.
At His closing remarks the spirit of prophecy came upon Lucifer, the chief deceiver who deceives the world. He prophesied almost as if he was under the control of another. He lifted up his voice and said.
"Let it be clear to everyone here today and let no one be deceived. Though we make war against the Lord God Almighty and against His Christ and Against His Holy Ones, we will not win. Never mistake the silence of the Almighty to be foolishness or weakness. A great storm is coming. It is not a water storm it is going to be a firestorm. It is going to be like no other. It is the army of the purified ones marching to the Command of the Holy One. God is not a man that He should lie. His Word is true; always. None of our efforts will stop them. They are planted on the eternal rock and the shout of the Lord God Almighty is among them.
The saints are the firestorm and the day of their rising will bring a horrible judgment. It will be a day of darkness and gloom, a day of thick clouds and deep blackness. Suddenly, like dawn spreading across the mountains, this great and might\' army will appear. Nothing like it has been seen before or will ever be seen again. Fire burns in front of them, and flames follow after them. Ahead of them the land lies as beautiful as the Garden of Eden. Behind them is nothing but desolation; not one thing escapes. They look like horses; they charge forward like warhorses. Look at them as they leap along the mountaintops. Listen to the noise they make—like the rumbling of chariots, like the roar of fire sweeping across a field of stubble, or like a mighty army moving into battle. Fear grips all the people; every face grows pale with terror. The attackers march like warriors and scale city walls like soldiers.
They march straight forward never breaking rank. They never jostle each other; each moves in exactly the right position. They break through defenses without missing a step. They swarm over the city and run along its walls. They enter all the houses climbing like thieves through the windows. The earth quakes as they advance, and the heavens tremble. The sun and moon grow dark and the stars no longer shine. The Lord is at the head of the column. He leads them with a shout. This is His mighty army and they follow His orders. The day of the Lord is an awesome, terrible thing. Who can possibly survive?"
Snapping out of his trance Lucifer closed his humiliating speech by shouting "BUT, WE MUST FIGHT NOW THAT IT IS DARK AND A GREATER PART OF THE SAINTS ARE SLEEPING BECAUSE THE LIGHT IS COMING WHEN WE CAN NEITHER FIGHT NOR WORK".
I wondered how these Kings of the earth who have given their kingdoms to Satan and other subjects of Satan can still remain loyal to him after such a clear speech that spells their end. Wisdom replied to me and said. "They only hear and understand what Satan wants them to hear and understand. Besides this, many of them for the lust of power and wealth have sold their souls to Satan and cursed the Lord God Almighty and His Righteous Spirit. They cannot turn back now. Yet many of the kings of the earth can still be redeemed. But the cost of reaching them is very high, because they are constantly guarded. The turning of one can quickly mean the turning of many."

Michael ChristisKing, The War and the Stampede (book) 3 Comments [4/21/2019 12:47:38 PM]
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