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Quote# 131876

The most probable scenario of a civil war or similar situations in the near future is the lack of transfer payments for "refugees", thus a collapse of their care due to the debts of the state. The ones affected by this failure will with a high probability plunder and steal to secure their existence. In contrast to the indigenous population the inhibitions to do such an act would be very low by the refugees out of crisis regions.

Accepting this means that if the insurgents get access to fire weapons in a very short time the common ways of self-defence will do little as the insurgents will have them at their disposal too. The only measure which does sense is a full coverage of armed populations like in the USA, Swiss and nowadays even the Czech Republic. It can be expected that the decision of the Czech Republic to change the constitution and to arm the population was done with that in mind. In our government it's obvious that such a thing can't be done. This is why the largest part of the populations will be hopelessly delivered, because at its extreme the Police and Bundeswehr won't have the forces at their disposal, which would be required, to maintain control over the country. No good outlook.

EUGEN PRINZ, PI News 3 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:40 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 131874

Sermon 10: Wicked Donny

By Rev. William H. Grimes

"I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it."
"I did try and **** her. She was married."
"No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.
"She wanted to get some furniture. I said, 'I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.' I took her out furniture. I moved on her like a *****. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony **** and everything. She’s totally changed her look."
"Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."
"Grab ’em by the *****. You can do anything."

Let's start with Ecclesiastes 5:2. "Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few." These quotes by the man the counterfeit "Christians" help to elect President of the United States are utterly reprehensible and abhorrent, and seek to undermine global American leadership in a way even Barry Soetoro of Kenya couldn't imagine. Ephesians 4:29 says "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Is this communication CORRUPT? YES! Does it help to edify believers? NO!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Matthew 5:28 says "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Leviticus 20:10 says "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." So, if you LUST AFTER THE FLESH YOU COMMIT ADULTERY! THIS WICKED "PRESIDENT" TALKED ABOUT ENGAGING IN SEXUAL IMMORALITY AS WELL AS ADULTERY IN BOTH THE LITERAL AND IN THE CHRISTIAN SENSE! HE TRIED TO COMMIT ADULTERY WITH MARRIED WOMAN AND HAS NEVER BEEN PROPERLY MARRIED HIMSELF AS HIS "FIRST" WIFE HAD A DIVORCE! SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR IN THE FACT THAT YOU ONLY GET ONE WIFE BUT YOU SHOULD STAY ABSTINENT BEFORE! IT DOESN'T COUNT AS A TRUE MARRIAGE IF YOUR FIRST SPOUSE WAS DIVORCED BECAUSE THAT SPOUSE IS STILL MARRIED TO ANOTHER BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT MAY RECOGNIZE DIVORCE! SAY AMEN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD! OWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

So, GOD DAMN AMERICA, THIS WICKED NATION OF LIBERAL ABORTION ON DEMAND, OBAMA/TRUMP CARE, FREEBIES, AND SEXUAL OPENNESS! IT IS ALL ABHORRENT IN THE NAME OF GOD! WHEN YOU SEE GOD ON JUDGMENT DAY, HE WILL NOT BE DRAPED IN THE AMERICAN FLAG BECAUSE GOD IS A GOD FOR ALL! GOD DAMN AMERICA AND GOD DAMN SEXUAL IMMORALITY! God's people said AMEN!

The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 1 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:27 AM]
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Quote# 131873

A Christian man has been sentenced to death in Pakistan for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, his lawyer has said.

Nadeem James, 35, was said to have committed blasphemy in a poem he sent to a Muslim friend on the WhatsApp messaging service.

He was arrested in July last year after going on the run following the accusation of blasphemy, which human rights groups say is sometimes used in the country to settle personal scores and target minorities.

Defence lawyer Anjum Wakeel told the AFP news agency that in this case there had been a dispute between his client and the friend over a woman.

“My client will appeal the sentence in the high court as he has been framed by his friend, who was annoyed over Mr James’ affair with a Muslim girl.”

The verdict was passed by a court in the town of Gujrat in eastern Pakistan.

Pakistani courts, The Independent 3 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:11 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131872

May was a game-changer for the national conversation on homosexual marriage.

On May 8, North Carolinans overwhelmingly voted in favor of Amendment 1. The ballot measure changed the state's constitution to define marriage as a union existing solely between a man and a woman. The approximately 61 percent to 39 percent vote in favor of the Amendment 1 makes North Carolina the 30th state to vote against homosexual marriage.

The very next day, to the surprise of exactly no one, President Barack Obama finally stated this belief: "At a certain point, I've just concluded that for me — personally — it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."

Of course, both of these incidents revved up the debate over the legalization of homosexual marriage and its consequences. But there are several issues regarding homosexual marriage that have yet to be given the proper discussion they deserve.

The first is the notion of "rights." Homosexual marriage advocates argue that marriage is a basic right. Denying this right to homosexuals would therefore be illegal. That's not true. There's no right to marry contained in the U.S. Constitution.

Every person who claims that the denial of the ability to marry is unconstitutional is misguided.

Getting married isn't a right. Marriage is a civil institution that all societies in history have recognized and used as the best way to legitimize, protect and raise children as well as to solidify familial and political connections.

Second, the North Carolina law doesn't unfairly deny anyone of the ability to marry. The law — and others like it — defines and recognizes marriage as a union between one man and one woman. It doesn't exclude anyone from marrying. The law treats a heterosexual person the exact same way it treats a homosexual person, with both prohibited from marrying a person of the same sex.

Traditional marriage laws simply define what constitutes a married couple. The laws are extended equally — regardless of sexual preference.

So the right that homosexual marriage proponents claim exists really does not. There is no right to marry someone of the same sex. The ability for a person to marry someone of the same sex is equally denied to everyone.

Another claim that is offered in defense of homosexual marriage is that consenting adults should be allowed to marry whomever they love. But at what point is it alright to arbitrarily move the discriminatory lines of demarcation, and how is it justified?

If it's acceptable for homosexuals to marry each other because of love and consent, then why is polygamy illegal when the parties involved are similarly in love and consenting? What about aunts and nephews or uncles and nieces when the same standards are present? If it is discrimination against homosexuals, why would it not be discrimination against these other parties?

Lastly, homosexual marriage advocates claim that legalizing homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue — equating it with the struggle to legalize interracial marriages of the past. The attempt to correlate race with sexual preferences doesn't hold up when properly scrutinized.

Legalizing interracial marriages fulfilled the legal requirement of marriage between a man and a woman because there's no difference between a white man and a black man or a white woman and a black woman. But there are enormous differences between a man and a woman, which is why there are separate bathrooms for men and women.

It's why there is an NBA and an WNBA and an PGA and an LPGA. In all the aforementioned sporting leagues, there is a logical separation by gender while races and ethnicities are not classified.

Race doesn't matter. Gender does.

The emotional desire to legalize homosexual marriage is understandable, but to do so would be to change the law for a specific group of people. That's really discrimination.


Derryck Green, National Center 1 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:06 AM]
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Quote# 131871

Brazil has re-legalised so-called “gay cure therapy” as a judge deemed homosexuality to be a “disease”.

Judge Waldemar Claudio de Carvalho overruled a 1999 resolution by the Federal Council of Psychology which prohibited the treatment of homosexuality by psychologists.

The federal judge in Brasília ruled in favour of a psychologist whose license was revoked for practising “conversion therapy”.

Evangelical Christian Rozangela Justino had her license stripped in 2016 after she advised patients to seek religious guidance to “cure” their homosexuality, which Justino considered to be a “disease”.

The ruling has been met with backlash.

The Federal Council of Psychology said that it “opens the dangerous possibility of the use of sexual reversion therapies”.

The Council pledged to contest the ruling, with president Rogério Giannini insisting they would be successful, having fought off numerous legal challenges in the past.

“There is no way to cure what is not a disease,” Giannini told the Guardian. “It is not a serious, academic debate, it is a debate connected to religious or conservative positions.”

David Miranda, one of the few openly gay politicians in the country, added that the decision was a “big regression to the progressive conquests that the LGBT community had in recent decades”.

“Like various countries in the world, Brazil is suffering a conservative wave,” he added.

Some of Brazil’s biggest celebrities have condemned the ruling including pop star Larissa Machado.

Machado, who is also known by her stage name Anitta, said that the country should be focusing on worse issues it has at hand.

“That’s what happens in my country. People dying, hungry, the government killing the country with corruption, no education, no hospitals, no opportunities … and the authorities are wasting their time to announce that homosexuality is a sickness,” she wrote on Instagram.

Ivete Sangalo, another huge music influence in the country, said: “The sick ones are those who believe in this grand absurdity”.

Waldemar Claudio de Carvalho and Rozangela Justino, Pink News 0 Comments [9/21/2017 12:44:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131865

Hi, longtime reader of CI, new to posting.

Traditional Catholic to my core, love Holy Mother Church and accept all of Her Teachings without reserve, and by God's grace working to resist and fight any and all modern errors and heresies.

So seeing all this flat earth talk I wanted to share my thoughts on the subject.

In regards to how the Firmament is placed above us, and after that the universe with endless galaxies beyond it, I have asked myself, where is Heaven located PHYSICALLY?

Is it in some other dimension entirely?

Perhaps it's only a 'spiritual place' and not physical at all?

I am no theologian but being Catholic and hoping to go there someday, I'd like to have a visual to ponder during meditation.

So what does modern science say today..

The Big Bang Professors over at NASA say that 'Beyond our own galaxy lies a vast expanse of galaxies. The deeper we see into space, the more galaxies we discover. There are billions of galaxies, the most distant of which are so far away that the light arriving from them on Earth today set out from the galaxies billions of years ago. So we see them not as they are today, but as they looked long before there was any life on Earth. '

Sorry but as a Catholic, I don't buy it.

After reading Scripture, and taking it LITERALLY, I know that Heaven is PHYSICALLY located above my head, beyond the sky and on the other side of The Firmament. I know for a fact that modern day atheist scientists over at NASA, and others, are purposefully LYING to us about 'endless space' and 'the ever expanding universe' and all with the goal of separating Man in relation with his Creator.

Because with endless light years between Man and God, there the 'Perfect Deception' can begin to form in men's minds. Sinners at ease knowing that 'the space between' gives them plenty of time for their pleasure and fun, and it just keeps getting BIGGER.

Several years ago I laughed at a science channel program when I heard the narrator say that there are 'universes beyond the universe' (lol) even then I knew what modern science was trying to do..attempting to push my God and His existance further away from me.

Being a great sinner with much to answer for, it was not so terrifying to think of God's Eyes seeing me from a million light years away on the other side of the zillionth galaxy. Though for me now it is a much different reality when I step out on my deck outside and look straight up and imagine Him looking right back at me from the other side of the sky.

No more 'space between'. And even on a better note, and following on the same line of thought, it is so much more Beautiful when contemplating The Sacred Heart of Jesus, Mary and The Angels, and my Sainted Friends in Heaven.

Heaven is a PLACE, and I hope to go there.

Carissima, Cathinfo 14 Comments [9/20/2017 2:03:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131860

I wonder how much salt peter it took to keep normal human nature from happening...

I think it’s sad this generation doesn’t understand what it means to celebrate our TWO gender differences rather than pretend they don’t exist. Truly sad. This short-sighted view will come back to haunt them.

How did this mental sickness permeate our school systems? Leftism truly is a mental illness. The inmates are running the asylums.

What will it take to make these mentally ill people understand that lopping off a penis does not make that person a woman anymore than dressing like a woman makes that man a woman. It doesn’t matter how much that mentally ill person thinks he is a woman. Normalizing abhorrent behavior is the worst possible way to treat this severe debilitating mental illness. He will never have a period.

He will never have a baby. He will never understand what it was like to go through puberty as a girl developing into a woman learning how men view and lust after them. All this and much much more is all part of what it means to be a woman; not just a screw loose in some mentally ill guy’s head.

I can’t believe our society has devolved this much. This de-evolution will help no one. If someone wanted to destroy a culture/society/national identity; this would be a good way to do it.

How many of these so-called people are pedophiles pushing this narrative looking for easy targets.

Boomer, Free Republic 8 Comments [9/20/2017 2:01:43 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131859

There is a floor named “Spectrum LGBTQIA and Ally Floor”?????

Why is there a floor named for non-normal sexual activity? Colleges are in the business of changing minds. They force the students to accept the new vocabulary, which leads them to change their opinions.

It’s about destroying the value system that the students acquired from their parents and church.

I want the USA back, Free Republic 11 Comments [9/20/2017 2:01:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131858

Because this time, there will be great care taken to make sure the Revolution is not hijacked by Crypto-Fascists. There won't be any more power given to tyrants, but rather there would be a heavy democratic element, except those voting will be those who have been oppressed the most through Capitalism and its products, non-males, ethnic minorities, working class, neurodivergent, physically divergent, etc. will be the ones voting there won't be any more capitalist money flowing through politics, or racist populists.

Telochi, r/CapitalismVSocialism 3 Comments [9/20/2017 2:01:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131856

Are there any plausible hypotheses about the evolutionary psychology of pedophilia?

We know that, up to a point, youthfulness is often an attribute non-pedophiles look for in a mate. For a long-term relationship, assuming the partners do not live in an industrialized society in which having a high school education is an advantage for a mate, it makes sense to mate with someone as close to pubescence as possible, since they have more years of fertility ahead of them. This would explain the fetish behind magazines such as Barely Legal and websites that advertise models who have just turned 18 and look younger than 18.

So maybe pedophilic attractions developed because it was more adaptive to err on the side of too young rather than too old. In pubescence, fertile young women still have many characteristics of children, and therefore it might be maladaptive for a man to be strongly repelled by childlike traits.

Maybe there were situations, in caveman eras, in which someone started a sexual relationship with a prepubescent, and that relationship continued into pubescence and produced offspring. Maybe those who did this had an advantage over rivals, by being the first to form an emotional bond with the child, and to claim the child as their long-term partner. Maybe this emotional bond was promoted by their providing the child with food and other resources; thus it also served to protect the child's well-being.

Who knows what complicated social purposes pedophilia might have served? Maybe, in a variant of the super-uncles theory, pedophiles served as caregivers for young family members, since they would tend to volunteer for roles that would put them in close contact with those kids. A counter-argument would be that their engaging in child sexual abuse would cause enough harm to those children to outweigh the value of the care they provided.

Maybe in caveman days, though, the resources they provided would have meant the difference between life and death for the child, so that back then, the pedophilia was adaptive.

Landmartian, RationalWiki 7 Comments [9/20/2017 2:00:51 PM]
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Astral Orgies Award

"the possibilities are endless"

Quote# 131852

Actually you should blow your load whenever you have the chance to. That is what I have done and that is what true power really comes to. There is magnificent power in the wealth of cum and of the act of cumming. I have found that it is better to let it consume you, retaining it only hinders yourself and serves evil.

When I say evil I mean the moral busybodies who try to shame you for pleasure. I engage in astral orgies practically every night where the possibilities are endless. I've held orgies with many extraterrestrial and extradimensional entities alike.

Telochi, r/occult 17 Comments [9/20/2017 10:55:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131849

(This fundie is referring to a initiative for the NYC LGBTQ community that was unveiled by Chirlane McCray, the mayor of New York's wife.)

This is the latest outrage from this despicable piece of rotting excrement from a litter strewn gutter. NYC is financially strapped to the point that most classes in public schools are way over the contractual limit in size, with kids sitting on radiators, classes held in former closets and offices, etc. The streets are in horrible condition, with last winter's potholes far from being repaired. Many street lights are burned out. Lane markings are worn away, creating very dangerous driving conditions.

Yet the mayor's pervert wife is shunting money from useful public works to fund accommodations and other resources for her fellow pervs. She, elected to NO public office whatsoever, has a "special assistant" paid $170,000 and then added another assistant for $65,000. That would pay for a lot of school supplies, pothole repairs, etc. instead of assistants for someone with no official role. DeDumDum better never complain about NYC's lack of funds. Both of them are prime woodchipper material.

EinNYC, Free Republic 3 Comments [9/20/2017 10:54:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 131843

Jeff Mateer, who has been nominated by President Donald Trump for a federal judgeship, advocated debunked “conversion therapy” for LGBT people and called transgender children part of “Satan’s plan.”

A CNN investigation found that Mateer came under fire from LGBT groups while working as general counsel for a conservative organization known as the Liberty Institute.

According to CNN, the attorney discussed transgender children in a 2015 speech titled “The Church and Homosexuality.”

“In Colorado, a public school has been sued because a first grader and I forget the sex, she’s a girl who thinks she’s a boy or a boy who thinks she’s a girl, it’s probably that, a boy who thinks she’s a girl,” Mateer was quoted as saying. “And the school said, ‘Well, she’s not using the girl’s restroom.’ And so she has now sued to have a right to go in. Now, I submit to you, a parent of three children who are now young adults, a first grader really knows what their sexual identity? I mean it just really shows you how Satan’s plan is working and the destruction that’s going on.”

Mateer went on to call same-sex marriage “disgusting.”

“I’ve learned words I didn’t know. I mean, other than…my assistants here, have you ever heard the word ‘throuple’?” he opined. “‘Throuple’ so that’s three people coming together of different sexes, maybe mixed sexes. Them coming together. There are people who marry themselves. Somebody wanted to marry a tree. People marrying their pets. It’s just like — you know, you read the New Testament and you read about all the things and you think, ‘Oh, that’s not going on in our community.’ Oh yes it is. We’re back to that time where debauchery rules.”

That same year, Mateer complained about states banning so-called conversion therapy for LGBT people.

“[T]hat’s been outlawed in at least two states and then in some local areas. So they’re invading that area,” he lamented.

Jeff Mateer, Raw Story 3 Comments [9/20/2017 10:51:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131841

(justifying his god's actions as regards Adam and Eve)


I disagree. Since the consequences of evil effectively destroy paradise in any case the post paradisal state is instigated by human decision. It is demonstrated that if humans establish themselves as the ultimate authority paradise ceases to exist. what you are therefore proposing is the abolition of consequence.

That said God wishes eventual restoration hence the eventual return to heaven where humanity walks once again with God. If that is what we want.

God's only punishment then need only constitute endorsing the consequence of human decision and action.

Enhanced punishment, if we cannot discount it, serves the purpose of deterrence.


The Great Vladini, Religion and Ethics 1 Comments [9/20/2017 10:50:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 131840

The left is the best thing to ever happen for comedy. You just can't make up anything so hilarious.



Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 4 Comments [9/20/2017 10:49:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 131838



Anonymous, Facebook 13 Comments [9/20/2017 10:48:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131837



Dr. Zakir Naik, Facebook 17 Comments [9/20/2017 10:48:42 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Ken Ham, Facebook 9 Comments [9/20/2017 10:48:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131833

Call her Gwyneth the Vampire Repeller.

Just in time for Halloween, when all sorts of nasty spirits are out, Gwyneth Paltrow unveils “Psychic Vampire Repellent” on her lifestyle website, Goop, so users can remove negative energies from their life.

The pseudo-holistic product is a “protection mist” that promises to “banish bad vibes” and “shield you from the people who may be causing them.”

Ingredients include “sonically tuned water” (whatever that is), rosewater, sea salt, rosemary, juniper, lavender, ruby, bloodstone, moonlight, and love. Seriously.

The product features a disclaimer that it has not been evaluated by the FDA and should not replace the advice of a medical professional. Obviously, as a medical professional would definitely recommend garlic and sunlight as ingredients. That’s just good vampire hunting.

A related product is a “Chill Child - Kid Calming Mist,” which you can “spray into the air around your wild child’s aura to restore peace to the environment.”

So when Timmy is having a tantrum, just spray him with Chill Child and all will be well. Or you may have to grab the Vampire Repellent.

Both products run for $30 for a 3.4 oz bottle and were developed by Paper Crane Apothecary.
Paltrow also opened her first permanent brick-and-mortar Goop location in Los Angeles at Brentwood Country Mart over the weekend. Called “Goop Lab,” the store sells the infamously Bohemian and bizarre products Paltrow sells on her site like Moonlight Catalyst, an anti-aging serum with fermented pumpkin enzymes and ashwagandha dietary supplement, which promotes immue health and “sexual vitality.”

Gwyneth Paltrow, MSN 10 Comments [9/20/2017 10:47:19 AM]
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Quote# 131830

Girl Marries Dog To Get Rid Of Bad Luck
The 18-year-old girl was forced to marry the dog because she was said to be unfortunate



An Indian teenager has been forced to marry a stray dog in an attempt to chase away bad luck.

The Mirror reports that 18-year-old Mangli Munda married the animal in a lavish ceremony after a local guru told her family that she had been stricken with bad luck and that marrying a man would bring destruction to the family and her community.

Thus the girl had to wed the dog during an occasion which was reportedly witnessed by 70 guests.

The bride said:

"I am marrying a dog because the village elders believe that my evil spell will be passed on to the dog. "After that is done, the man I will marry will have a long life."

"My villagers say that many girls like me have followed this ritual and they have gotten rid of their evil spells and are living happy lives now,"

"I will also be free to marry a man of my dreams after the evil spell is over."

"I will marry a man one day. It is the dream of every girl to marry a prince charming. So I am also waiting for my prince."

The girl’s family also reportedly said that they would treat the dog with all the respect a human groom would receive.

Mangli Munda, Munda Family, Various Village Elders, Pulse.ng 6 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Salami

Quote# 131827

[From "I am José María Gárate Córdoba, a veteran of the Spanish Civil War, Captain of the Spanish FFAA, military historian, and author, AMA." - Córdoba used the handle "Tiwazdom"]

@Terex80:
@Tiwazdom:
@Terex80:
Well I suppose I'll start with something rather simple. Did you enjoy your time in the civil war fighting?


(Chuckle) Perhaps enjoy is not the right word, it was a very bloody war. I enjoyed it in that I was fighting for a worthy cause and I enjoyed the feeling of brotherhood, of unity, of victory. Still, I saw many good people give their lives in the war, and I myself had my share of struggle, both of which of course are not pleasant. It's the struggle that has to be made though. I am grateful for it, because it turned me into a man, in a sense.


Thanks for the answer! What do you think of spain becoming a democracy on the death of Franco?


From Tiwazdom:

I don't like it at all, I consider myself opposed to the Liberal concept of democracy, especially the aspect of political parties. People should participate in their government, but that participation should not come in the form of casting votes and taking on internal identities rather than a singular Spanish identity.

[Later]

@Nordicist1:
What's your opinion of National Socialism and the third reich?


From Tiwazdom:

I sympathize with National Socialism quite a bit, especially their record of support for the Nationalists. One thing I am opposed to is that I think Hitler pushed too hard when it came to World War II, he bit off more than he could chew and he made it too easy to provoke the Allies to war. I also think he buried himself into a hole, he drove the national debt sky high. He should have opted for a somewhat slower, but more effective economic recovery.

[Later]

@ICameHereToRead:
I considered myself to be a falangist before I fully accepted fascism. Isn't falangism just a type of fascism? Yes it is, but I considered it to be a more conservative form of fascism, as something that could really conserve traditional value instead of just slowing down liberalism (which is what conservatism usually does) and which would be more effective, but which would be less revolutionary and more cautious than fascism. I saw this as pretty much what the ideology of Spain under Franco and of similar movements like the Kataeb party was. Back then I was of course often confronted with the other kind of falangists who insisted that I should call myself something else, that Franco only stole the name when he united all the nationalists in a single front, and that the real falangism is that of José Antonio Primo de Rivera, the earlier accounts of the ideology which are a lot more closer to that of fascist Italy. It is not unexpected to see this argument pop up whenever somebody asks what falangism is. The division even exists with the political parties, there is the Falange Española de las JONS and then there is the Authentic Falange.

What do you think of this division within the falangist movement? How much do you admire Franco and what could you criticize him for? And I know falangists have bigger problems to worry about and should unite, but who do you think is right? Is falangism a more conservative form of fascism adapted to fit the Spanish people, or is it a form of fascism originating in Spain period?


From Tiwazdom:

I think that is a distinction that should be made between Falangism and Francoism. The latter is what the Falange was diluted into after the war. I admire Franco for his attempts to unite Spain under one banner and prevent any infighting, but I would have much preferred undiluted Falangism. Franco rejected National Syndicalism and support Capitalism which I think is the biggest criticism I have.

[Later]

@rammingparu3:
Hello Señor Córdoba.

What are your thoughts on General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet and his physical removal of communist scum?

Thanks


From Tiwazdom:

I very much admire Pinochet for how he protected Chile from Marxism and kept Chile stable and united. I would have preferred if he was a National Syndicalist, but I think he did a good thing for Chile and prevented it from falling to Communism. From what I hear, Communism is becoming a threat in Chile in these times.

[Later]

@TheForgottenKaiser:
It's know that war crimes were commited particularly by the Nationalist army. What would your opinion be on those actions and did you witness anything personally?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Spain)?wprov=sfsi1

Also what would you do about regional languages such as Catalan and Basque.


From Tiwazdom:

Yes, there were certainly mass killings committed by the Nationalists. There were also many such war crimes committed by the Republicans. I feel that it is a very sad, but necessary part of war. Spain could not continue along the path it was taking, there had to be something better.

I think that regional languages should be discouraged, I advocate for a united Spain, as much as possible.

[Later]

@[deleted:
]Did you kill any men, or did you only kill communists?


From TiwazdomC:

(Laugh) I only killed Communists.

José María Gárate Córdoba (aka "Tiwazdom") and rammingparu3, Reddit - r/DebateFascism 2 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:26 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 131790

Yes and it all goes back to evolutionary teaching. No God no accountability to how you treat your neighbor or child.. Were all star stuff and pond scum. So if a dad wants to pour boiling water on his 2 year old child to teach his girl friend a lesson. If there no God theirs nothing wrong with them doing that either and if they have to murder a few cops to keep them selves out of prison so what? .and if they murder a few judges if there clever enough to get away with that to. good for them. That's exactly what Satan wants people to think that we came from star stuff and there is no God. And you should only be sorry for getting caught.

mr goody two shoes, Christian News Network 9 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:08 AM]
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Quote# 131785

While we are insistently encouraged to focus on ‘white supremacists’ and ‘neo-Nazis,’ the actual and present danger to freedom emanates from Sharia-supremacists.

Frank Gaffney, PodBean 2 Comments [9/20/2017 10:46:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 131780

I could go into orbital patterns with you BeRational but I'm not sure you would grasp my point there anymore than you grasp my point here. All the planets are currently showing gravitational distress, according to  many researchers...none more so than planet Earth. 

Now, to fit into my understanding there are 3 aspects to orbital motion. 

i....pulled to the sun by gravity.
2...then slipping into weightlessness.
3...then expelled away from the sun by centrifugal force. 
4...then leaving the sun, creating an elliptical orbit before slipping into weightlessness again so that gravity can take control yet again...pulling the planet back.

So, you see the problem isn't so easy to resolve as you seem to think...but there is no guessing when Wormwood will be at its most dangerous, so I reckon that's just as long as we have to repent effectively.

Nicholas Marks, Religion and Ethics 4 Comments [9/20/2017 10:45:54 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 131814

They get called "child molestors" and such but they also get discriminated against solely on the basis of openly being pedophiles, without necessarily being called any other names.

When they get kicked out of places like Wikipedia, systemic bias is introduced into those sites' content.

Perpetuating that bias is in fact part of the stated goal of kicking those editors out.

People don't want them editing articles in ways that will produce a neutral point of view.

Landmartian, RationalWiki 15 Comments [9/19/2017 10:04:45 AM]
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