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Quote# 1483

So many people have bought into the lie that conservatives are racist, homophobic, ignorant, backwoods, sexist morons. LIES all lies. We are the opposite and the left know it but use these lies for personal gain. You watch to much CNN!

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 3 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1484

every law we have on the books is based on morality. It is all there to help us get along on a personal level. Speeding isn't wrong because it isn't good for a car to go that fast, it's wrong because of the personal safety of everyone involved...I dare you to find one law that dosen't have morals attached to it.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 7 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1485

All of the laws you said here have blaring moral foundations. No one wants to get cheated out of money. And the fishing license thing isn't just for money. It regulates the fishing laws and keeps track of whose fishing so that everybody can't just go out and hook 800 fish a day and that we perserve certain species. It all has morals weather it be about money or not. And those goofy laws you talked about even had morals too. Maybe walking across the street on your hands poses a serious threat in that town.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1486

[Replying to 'Christians shouldn't assosciate with nonbelievers?']I think you should try and minister to them and tell them about Jesus. I don't think you should go hang out with them. You should however try and tell them about God and stuff.

EternalWarrior, POD Warrior Forum 2 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1487

Now, we're not supposed to marry unbelievers or form a partnership like going into business together, but being friends and hanging out is just fine.

TwistedSketch, POD Warrior Forum 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1488

I think the slow death penalty should be instated. First off you are executed in the manner that you committed the crime. If the bodies aren't found and the style of murder is unknown, then I think the capitol murderer should be dipped in honey and red fire ants should be poured all over his/her body. I am not joking..I am not a gimmick..I am sick of liberals caudling to the criminals and appeasing them because they are scared. I find no reason in the Bible where the death penalty is prohibited. It was part of the old law, So it is still usable today.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 16 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1489

Like I said we are not tied down by it [the Old Covenant (Levitical laws)], but If it was ok back then then it is ok now...We abide by the laws of our land. We don't kill gay people because it isn't in our law, we eat pork because it is ok in our law.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 4 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1490

They say it takes millions of years for layer to form, yet u can go to most any varity store and buy a gleass enclosure of differnt colored rocks and watch them form layer in a matter or seconds. Why would they insist otherwise in the face of such evidence? Evolutionist say it take millions of years to have mineral growth but go to Mount Rushmore and there is mineral growth it is now millions of years old?

Dorothyne, Christian Forums 8 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1491

Of course atheists have morals. They just don't know why. Which is why atheists only believe they are atheists. Otherwise they wouldn't have morals. The very assertion that atheists have morals is contradictory. Why would atheists need morals?

bluetrinity, Christian Forums 10 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1492

What a bunch of hooey. MadMordigan, especially, makes the grievous error of misunderstanding or misrepresenting the Gos

it is not that one, Internet Infidels 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1493

Oh, and have you ever seen "David Blaine: Street Magician"? Unless he used trick photography, or actors, there is no other explanation for his "magic" than that it is real (I saw him bend one card, place it in the middle of a deck so that one could see the "bend", and saw the card instantaneously move upward through the deck, so that it was on top).

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 6 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1494

You apparently weren't listening - I said that, unless he used trick photography, or actors, then there is no natural explanation for how he caused a bent card (or merely the "bend" itself) to transfer from the middle of a deck of cards to the top of the deck, which I happened to see him do on television. Again, perhaps it was "trick photography", with some fancy editing, but if not, there is no natural explanation (use the process of elimination, and common sense reasoning regarding physics, etcetera).

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 8 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1495

There was ONE demon, which would manifest by making walking sounds on the roof at various times of the day, and at various places. One night, I bowed my head in prayer to God that God would get rid of the demon, and the demon 'hot-footed' it to a corner of the house, and the walking sounds ceased, and never returned.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 16 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1496

And, I and two other people (neither of whom are or were Christians) heard walking sounds on the roof of a house. They heard it for about 2 weeks, then called me to see what I thought it was. On the third day that I came over, I heard it as well - the walking sounds were just like a person on the roof walking, and would start and stop at random times, and at random places on the roof. The day after I first heard it, we were all in the living room, and it began again. This time, I bowed my head and prayed to God to get rid of what I was sure was a demon, and as I prayed, the walking sounds "sped up" (like someone walking barefoot from a cool sidewalk onto a hot asphalt pavement), and then stopped just to my left, near the hallway to the kitchen. I and one other person quickly opened the sliding door which was just behind me, to see what was on the roof, and to check to see if "it" (human or otherwise) had jumped into the backyard (which was what the sliding door opened to). Nothing was on the roof, and nothing was in the (small and fenced in) backyard. Since that prayer, the walking sounds never returned. Care to offer a reasonable "naturalistic" explanation which reconciles all these facts?

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 23 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1497

[Continuing on about the 'Demon on a hot tin roof' story]Well, I see that you have not addressed the facts in the slightest. Tell me, then, which of the following is your "explanation" for what I described: 1) I am lying 2) I am completely delusional - none of it happened 3) I and the two others are completely delusional - the walking sounds never happened 4) I and the two others are semi-delusional - the walking sounds did not sound like a human walking 5) Neither I nor the two others are delusional, but the walking sounds are very easily explained by one of the following scenarios: .......a) some animal, which simply left .......b) a prankster, who simply got bored .......c) house settling, which settled .......d) Aliens, who couldn't figure out how to get through the chimney 6) Other. (If "Other", please explain in detail what it involves.)

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 2 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1498

[After someone replies '2 - delusional']Other than the fact that what I've shared does not line up with your materialistic bias, what reason do you have for supposing this to be the case? It's awfully easy to attribute 'delusion' to all instances of things which do not fit in with one's worldview.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1499

Other than the fact that the event as I described it could not fit with a materialistic worldview, you have no reason whatsoever to think I am "delusional". And, if you accept that I am not delusional, then your "ANIMAL" or "PEOPLE" explanation does not explain all of the events. Perhaps you'd like to try to reconcile the events that occurred (again assuming that you agree that I am not delusional, at least for the sake of argument) with either an animal or a person making the walking sounds. I sit with rapt attention, awaiting your revelation.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1500

Finally (for this post), someone accused me of being "arrogant" for thinking that God answered my prayer to get rid of a demon, even though God apparently does not answer much more "serious" (life-and-death) prayers. That's a ridiculous argument to make - God answers ALL sincere prayers made in faith...it's just that some of His answers happen to be "No", or "Not yet".

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 6 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1501

As much as evolutionists are averse to changing their thinking, and as much as their biases inform their opinions in spite of all the facts, I still think they are capable, at times, of rational thought.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 7 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1502

The parting of the Red Sea? Must have been a really windy day, that's all. Wood staffs turned into snakes? Well, there must be a perfectly naturalistic explanation - apparently, trees evolved into snakes.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 20 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1503

Although humans have no instincts (only drives, reflexes, urges, etc.), there is a brief period during childhood when youngsters are vulnerable to religious training. Their concepts of right and wrong are formulated during this time, and their view of God begins to solidify. As in the case of the gosling, the opportunity of that period must be seized when it is available. Leaders of the Catholic church have been widely quoted as saying, "Give us a child until he is seven years old, and we'll have him for life"; they are usually correct, because permanent attitudes can be instilled during these seven vulnerable years. Unfortunately, however, the opposite is also true. The absence or misapplication of instruction through the prime-time period may place a severe limitation on the depth of a child's later devotion to God. When parents withhold indoctrination from their small children, allowing them to "decide for themselves," the adults are almost guaranteeing that their youngsters will "decide" in the negative. If parents want their children to have a meaningful faith, they must give up any misguided attempts at objectivity. Children listen closely to discover just how much their parents believe what they preach. Any indecision or ethical confusion from the parent is likely to be magnified in the child. After the middle-adolescent age (ending at about fifteen years), children sometimes resent heavy-handedness about anything—including what to believe. But if the early exposure has been properly conducted, they should have an anchor to steady them. Their early indoctrination, then, is the key to the spiritual attitudes they carry into adulthood.

Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family 34 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1504

No, God didn't take away Pharaoh's freewill and forced him to make a stupid descision. The phrase "harden his heart" means that God allowed pharaoh's heart to become hard. He didn't take away pharaoh's freewill and make him let the people go - he allowed pharaoh to harden his heart. So it is in the sense that God allowed pharaoh's heart to become hard that the Bible says that God caused "his heart to become hardened". In a fuller way - God caused pharaoh's heart to become hard by allowing pharaoh to have his own way. That's the way I see it anyway.

davidH, Internet Infidels 29 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1505

I agree, Evolutionary "scientists" are so heavy in their religion and faith they cant see any evidence against it because they refuse to.

res1fe8k, Rapture Ready 8 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1506

Have you read that they consider the 'Mary' who has been appearing all over the world [such as Fatima], INCLUDING TO NEW AGERS as an Ascended Master? in other words, a demon. 'She's been appearing to these people!

Lordschild, Rapture Ready 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1507

These apparitions are DEMONS, who are appearing as angels of light to deceive people. Rose, this MARY has been appearing to all religions, and spewing forth whatever they would want to hear. It appears as a black madonna to the africans, as an Indian to the Hindus, as chinese to the buddhists..etc...and speaks forth the same lie as SATAN spoke to Eve. If you do ANY reading on the new age, you will find that MILLIONS of people are experiencing and seeing SPIRIT GUIDES, which are demons disguised. How do we know that?..because their message is completely ungodly. Do not be fooled. I dare you to go a week, read the Word of God, and completely throw yourself at HIS feet, seeking Him about this. It is not to be played with. It is happening, more and more as the end draws near.

Lordschild, Rapture Ready 14 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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