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Quote# 1502

The parting of the Red Sea? Must have been a really windy day, that's all. Wood staffs turned into snakes? Well, there must be a perfectly naturalistic explanation - apparently, trees evolved into snakes.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 20 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1501

As much as evolutionists are averse to changing their thinking, and as much as their biases inform their opinions in spite of all the facts, I still think they are capable, at times, of rational thought.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 7 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1500

Finally (for this post), someone accused me of being "arrogant" for thinking that God answered my prayer to get rid of a demon, even though God apparently does not answer much more "serious" (life-and-death) prayers. That's a ridiculous argument to make - God answers ALL sincere prayers made in faith...it's just that some of His answers happen to be "No", or "Not yet".

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 6 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1499

Other than the fact that the event as I described it could not fit with a materialistic worldview, you have no reason whatsoever to think I am "delusional". And, if you accept that I am not delusional, then your "ANIMAL" or "PEOPLE" explanation does not explain all of the events. Perhaps you'd like to try to reconcile the events that occurred (again assuming that you agree that I am not delusional, at least for the sake of argument) with either an animal or a person making the walking sounds. I sit with rapt attention, awaiting your revelation.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1498

[After someone replies '2 - delusional']Other than the fact that what I've shared does not line up with your materialistic bias, what reason do you have for supposing this to be the case? It's awfully easy to attribute 'delusion' to all instances of things which do not fit in with one's worldview.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1497

[Continuing on about the 'Demon on a hot tin roof' story]Well, I see that you have not addressed the facts in the slightest. Tell me, then, which of the following is your "explanation" for what I described: 1) I am lying 2) I am completely delusional - none of it happened 3) I and the two others are completely delusional - the walking sounds never happened 4) I and the two others are semi-delusional - the walking sounds did not sound like a human walking 5) Neither I nor the two others are delusional, but the walking sounds are very easily explained by one of the following scenarios: .......a) some animal, which simply left .......b) a prankster, who simply got bored .......c) house settling, which settled .......d) Aliens, who couldn't figure out how to get through the chimney 6) Other. (If "Other", please explain in detail what it involves.)

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 2 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1496

And, I and two other people (neither of whom are or were Christians) heard walking sounds on the roof of a house. They heard it for about 2 weeks, then called me to see what I thought it was. On the third day that I came over, I heard it as well - the walking sounds were just like a person on the roof walking, and would start and stop at random times, and at random places on the roof. The day after I first heard it, we were all in the living room, and it began again. This time, I bowed my head and prayed to God to get rid of what I was sure was a demon, and as I prayed, the walking sounds "sped up" (like someone walking barefoot from a cool sidewalk onto a hot asphalt pavement), and then stopped just to my left, near the hallway to the kitchen. I and one other person quickly opened the sliding door which was just behind me, to see what was on the roof, and to check to see if "it" (human or otherwise) had jumped into the backyard (which was what the sliding door opened to). Nothing was on the roof, and nothing was in the (small and fenced in) backyard. Since that prayer, the walking sounds never returned. Care to offer a reasonable "naturalistic" explanation which reconciles all these facts?

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 23 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1495

There was ONE demon, which would manifest by making walking sounds on the roof at various times of the day, and at various places. One night, I bowed my head in prayer to God that God would get rid of the demon, and the demon 'hot-footed' it to a corner of the house, and the walking sounds ceased, and never returned.

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 16 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1494

You apparently weren't listening - I said that, unless he used trick photography, or actors, then there is no natural explanation for how he caused a bent card (or merely the "bend" itself) to transfer from the middle of a deck of cards to the top of the deck, which I happened to see him do on television. Again, perhaps it was "trick photography", with some fancy editing, but if not, there is no natural explanation (use the process of elimination, and common sense reasoning regarding physics, etcetera).

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 8 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1493

Oh, and have you ever seen "David Blaine: Street Magician"? Unless he used trick photography, or actors, there is no other explanation for his "magic" than that it is real (I saw him bend one card, place it in the middle of a deck so that one could see the "bend", and saw the card instantaneously move upward through the deck, so that it was on top).

Douglas J. Bender, Internet Infidels 6 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1492

What a bunch of hooey. MadMordigan, especially, makes the grievous error of misunderstanding or misrepresenting the Gos

it is not that one, Internet Infidels 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1491

Of course atheists have morals. They just don't know why. Which is why atheists only believe they are atheists. Otherwise they wouldn't have morals. The very assertion that atheists have morals is contradictory. Why would atheists need morals?

bluetrinity, Christian Forums 10 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1490

They say it takes millions of years for layer to form, yet u can go to most any varity store and buy a gleass enclosure of differnt colored rocks and watch them form layer in a matter or seconds. Why would they insist otherwise in the face of such evidence? Evolutionist say it take millions of years to have mineral growth but go to Mount Rushmore and there is mineral growth it is now millions of years old?

Dorothyne, Christian Forums 8 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1489

Like I said we are not tied down by it [the Old Covenant (Levitical laws)], but If it was ok back then then it is ok now...We abide by the laws of our land. We don't kill gay people because it isn't in our law, we eat pork because it is ok in our law.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 4 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1488

I think the slow death penalty should be instated. First off you are executed in the manner that you committed the crime. If the bodies aren't found and the style of murder is unknown, then I think the capitol murderer should be dipped in honey and red fire ants should be poured all over his/her body. I am not joking..I am not a gimmick..I am sick of liberals caudling to the criminals and appeasing them because they are scared. I find no reason in the Bible where the death penalty is prohibited. It was part of the old law, So it is still usable today.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 16 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1487

Now, we're not supposed to marry unbelievers or form a partnership like going into business together, but being friends and hanging out is just fine.

TwistedSketch, POD Warrior Forum 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1486

[Replying to 'Christians shouldn't assosciate with nonbelievers?']I think you should try and minister to them and tell them about Jesus. I don't think you should go hang out with them. You should however try and tell them about God and stuff.

EternalWarrior, POD Warrior Forum 2 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1485

All of the laws you said here have blaring moral foundations. No one wants to get cheated out of money. And the fishing license thing isn't just for money. It regulates the fishing laws and keeps track of whose fishing so that everybody can't just go out and hook 800 fish a day and that we perserve certain species. It all has morals weather it be about money or not. And those goofy laws you talked about even had morals too. Maybe walking across the street on your hands poses a serious threat in that town.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1484

every law we have on the books is based on morality. It is all there to help us get along on a personal level. Speeding isn't wrong because it isn't good for a car to go that fast, it's wrong because of the personal safety of everyone involved...I dare you to find one law that dosen't have morals attached to it.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 7 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1483

So many people have bought into the lie that conservatives are racist, homophobic, ignorant, backwoods, sexist morons. LIES all lies. We are the opposite and the left know it but use these lies for personal gain. You watch to much CNN!

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 3 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1482

[Replying to 'Public-funded abortion clinics do not discriminate']They discriminate based on age. Less then a certain age and you die. If your an unborn baby you die. Discrimination doesn't get much worse than that.

deadbrain, Someplace Somewhere 6 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1481

Yes, Kathy P, some muslims have let themselves be "matryed" for their beliefs. But if you read Catholic writings of the saints, there is no doubt that they were being matryed for their faith in Jesus, not some fictional god like the god depicted in the koran.

Rose46, Rapture Ready 1 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1480

Catholics will always go with the teachings of the RCC. They have been programed all their lives to believe everything the RCC says with out questions. So when the RCC tells them that they are not worshiping Mary they must believe it. When you consider some of the other stuff that the RCC teaches and that they believe it's not hard to see how they blindly follow the teaching of a fallable man. I now understand how the OWR [One World Government] will now get people to do things that you or I wouldn't do.

Kathyp, Rapture Ready 0 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1479

[Replying to 'Catholics don't worship Mary']Catholics worship Mary and then lie that they don't

Gordon, Rapture Ready 10 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 1478

My opinion is that neither should be taught though. That would take care of the problem completly. I mean evolution will never help me in my career as a biochemist so why should i be forced to study it.

asbesttes, POD Warrior Forum 23 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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