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Quote# 5287

If that same 'just' person is murdered because they placed themselves in a comprimising situation and I'm sorry if we disagree here but I believe that Mathew did, then they are, in part, to blame. You seem to be saying that Mathew had the right to conduct his lifestyle as recklessly as he wanted and should be absolved of all responsibility for the actions that ensued.

Xingyi Warrior, BaptistBoard 3 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5288

What constitutes [spousal] abuse? By what standard do you make this judgment [that it's grounds for divorce]? Does that change I Cor. 11:3 and Ephesians 5? If so, how? And, book, chapter and verse, please. Your argument is without biblical foundation. There is no divine inspired evidence to support your assertion.

Frank, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5289

[Replying to 'a woman is to stay with an abusive husband and just take it?']  That is pretty much what the Bible says.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 9 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5290

Would you please site the passage that states a woman is to leave her husband based on physical abuse. There is one for sexual immorality, but not for abuse... try reading how God instructed the Israelites to treat their slaves. There was a limitation on the amount of abuse, but there was quite a bit of abuse allowed.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 11 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5291

I'm sorry that you have a problem with this part of scripture. Do you have the same reaction to Jesus' statement that when one is struck one should simply turn the other cheek(to be struck again)?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5292

Jesus said that if someone physically abuses you, you are to turn the other cheek so that the abuse may continue. What are your thoughts?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 8 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5293

What do you think Jesus meant by turn the other cheek? It seems rather clear to me that it so that the person can strike you again. In other words, so that the physical abuse can continue... God will take care of us. If that means by death, as in Stephen's case, so be it.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 9 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5294

Your view is very materialistic. Do you have a problem with God's command that a man who rapes a woman is to be punished by having to marry her?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 29 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5295

When you have no scriptural support for your position, it is a good tactic to side step the issue and attack the other person. It doesn't deal with the topic, but it is a good tactic.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 14 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5296

I'm just wondering if there is something wrong if one is not willing to trust in God. I wondering if we might be missing something if we think that our safety is the most important thing. I don't find the instruction to leave if abused in the Bible. I find the instruction to leave over adultry, not over physical abuse. How much of this is our societal values working its way into out belief system?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5297

The closest thing that I can get for that is a combination of the turn the other cheek idea and Paul's statement that the man is the head of the family. If the wife has the husband arrested [for abuse], then the wife is usurping authority over her husband.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 11 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5298

[Replying to a hypothetical scenario of an abusive wife]Once again, I'm the head of the family, therefore am in a better position to deal with this problem than a woman would be from my Biblical perspective. I would have her stop. If she would not, then I'd have her arrested.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 3 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5299

She is knowingly having him thrown in jail and out of the house. This is usurping authority.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5300

Once again, an opion based on social values, but devoid of biblical suport.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5301

Yes, I agree that it [hitting] is abuse and pain. I would just like the see the scripture that backs up your position that this is grounds for divorce. There's one for adultry, but there isn't one for physical abuse. Do you believe Jesus wasn't aware of this problem?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 16 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5302

I really do believe that our societal values have worked its ways into the very core of beliefs. I'm not so sure this is such a good thing.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5303

Where in the Bible does it say that a husband who is a jerk or in violation of civil law is not to be respected and to be the head of the family?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 15 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5304

You are making the mistake of believing that what happens to us is important. It is our own relationship with God which is important. This is the very reason why slavery is allowed in a Godly community. This is the very reason why liberals must make up excuses for why there are so many insonsitancies between their idea of a loving God and what the Bible says God commands.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 5 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5305

If this is incorrect, then why is slavery allowed in the Christian community?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 7 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5306

You can believe this if you like. It is a lie, but you are allowed to believe a lie if you wish. Was it illegal to beat a slave during bibilical times? According to the Bible it was not. But as I said, believe what you choose to believe.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5307

According to Jesus, there is only one reason why a divorce is correct and that has nothing to do with abuse. Do you really believe that Jesus was ignorant of this problem?... Didn't God give us brains to determine what is right and wrong?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 4 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5308

There are dynamics at play here. Everyone plays a part. If you get the picture from one side, you are getting a very distorted view. The family is a system and each member adds to and is affected by what other members do. You can play the blame [the abuser] game if you like. It just isn't entirely accurate in many of the situations out there.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 1 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5309

On the other hand, small revivals occur in some 3rd world countries like the notoriously apostate country of Haiti: the poor Voodoo-ists (Devil worshippers) command their children to go to Christian schools (100%) and get saved. Every state-run and private school in Haiti performs daily evangelical praying and singing as per Christ's teachings and the gospel. The T[heory]o[f]E[volution] is fully discarded from all K1-12th grade curriculums. Thus, these poor wretches have not entirely discarded Christ's teachings nor gospel.

Philip, EvC Forum 8 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5310

Yep it is a result of the fall of man... Snake venom, in a world with higher air pressure becomes something very different to a toxin, in fact the total opposite.

Nasa, CreationTalk 10 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5311

[Arguing against theistic evolution]And this overlooks the fact that evolution is a wasteful, cruel and inefficient process... and there is loads of death and suffering.

Socrates, Theology Web 10 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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