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Quote# 4288

Some of what science offers is outright ignorance. Look at Psychology for example and how stupid that is. Why settle for that puke, when we can have the mind of God, we can have the same divine mind, attitude, thoughts and nature that Jesus had when He walked this earth as very man.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 16 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4289

Ok, have it your way, and science gave us Atomic bombs, science gave us amthrax, science gave us terrorism, science gave us the inquisition. Science gave us air and water pollution, science gave us porno with all it's filth and debauchery. Science also gives us world hunger, because it has the means to provide food, but it does not. It must be science that is destroying the morality of our kids, because science gives us the media that is destroying them.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 29 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4290

I am beginning to wonder if the good outweighs the bad, when it comes to computers. There is so much filth and disgusting perversion on computers. If science is so wonderful, why don't they find a way to get that filth off of the internet.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 15 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4291

I think the problem is with science, I think the problem is with the court system. I think the problem is with the media today and I do not see anyone doing anything about it. No, I take that back, I have one friend who is trying to do something about it. He has taken a public stand against Harry Potter.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 14 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4292

What a hyprocrate you are. All that talk about parental responsablity and you took your daugher AND three of her friend to see Harry Potter? If you do not even have enough sense to know that you should not expose children to witchcraft and sorcery, then there really is no use to even be having this conversation.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 6 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4293

By the way, who do you think should do this 'therapy' that you recommend [for myself]? People like you? HA! Talk about the blind leading the blind.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 4 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4294

I could go along with the book burning. The early church did not seem to have a problem burning their book when they got saved.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 4 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4295

The issue is twofold:  1. That, as long as slavery was legal, it was the duty of Christian slaves to be obedient to their masters, 'not only to the good and gentle but also to the froward.'  2. That the word of God never judges a man for the mere fact of owning another man. To the contrary, it commends several slave owners in highest terms. For example, Abraham, the Roman Centurion, and Philemon.  The abolitionist and other social movements of the the 19th and early 20th centuries - namely the feminist movement, the "temperance" movement, the youth movements, and the socialist movement - greatly affected the Baptist approach to the Scriptures. It was during that time that Baptists began to exalt human wisdom above the Scriptures. Now we are moving towards the 'gay rights movement.' Just as before, there will be those who resist, but in a matter of time acceptance of homosexuality among Baptist churches will be common place.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 13 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4296

The Abolition Movement was the culmination of BAD THEOLOGY, centered around Unitarian/Universalist belief. It was a humanistic, knee-jerk reaction to perceived ills. Until that movement there was never a problem with Baptists and slavery... The Feminist Movement was the culmination of BAD THEOLOGY form liberal churches that did not accept the Biblical teaching or authority about the role of women. It was a humanistic, knee-jerk reaction to perceived ills. Until that movement, only the most liberal of Baptists would even consider ordaining a woman. And on with Blacks and Civil Rights And Gay rights Think you're on to something here, Mark. Good post.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 7 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4297

[Replying to another, shocked poster]Do you believe the word of God commanded slaves to obey and respect their masters, whether those masters were believers or unbelievers?

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 5 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4298

It was a movement of humanism, human self-worth, human as God. It was called Unitarianism (often called Universalism today). It's new Gospel was one of rights and dignity and good works - a social Gospel of 'do-gooders' to replace the blood of Christ. THAT group were the core of the rabid abolitionist movement sweeping some northern areas (like Massachusetts). Social programs, strong government laws, liberal liberal liberal agenda.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 8 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4299

If you are saying that the simple fact of owning another man is unjust then you must also assert that Roman slavery was unjust, for they, too, practiced human bondage. As far as the mistreatment of slaves, I agree it is wrong, but it does not chang the obligation of the slave to obey the master.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 21 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4300

The only reason we think slavery is such a horrid evil is because we are so full of pride we don't like the idea of another man telling us what to do. Well tell me this, if God sees fit, in His providence, to make me subject to another man, who am I to complain of it? The anti-authority mentality that spawned the abolitionist movement is the same mentality that spawned the feminist movement, the 'children's rights' movement, and the 'sexual revolution' - aka hippy movement.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 4 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4301

There you go again [on segregation]! Because we were right back into the struggle over States' rights. You liberals really hate freedom as embodied in States' rights and freedom of association.

KenH, BaptistBoard 2 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4302

I personally would not have held slaves. I would not have preached AGAINST it, though, and would have supported missionaries taking slaves with them to the field.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 13 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4303

And may I suggest that you drop the debate logic and put up scripture to back up your ideaology.

Kent Witcher, BaptistBoard 7 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4304

I have not disparaged the African race in any manner. I have been careful to say that if I myself were subjected to slavery it would be my duty to be submissive to my master. This discussion is not about race. It is about the fact that the word of God commands slaves - white, black, or otherwise - to be obedient to their masters.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 12 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4305

This is one of the best observations in all the threads about North/South, slavery, etc. In spite of who was right or wrong (or whether both may have had some right and wrong, or both were all wrong), this observation on God's providence ought to give us pause.

rlvaughn, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4306

Furthermore, if practicing slavery is wrong then Paul was wrong when he so highly commended Philemon, a slave owner, with the following words:... [<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=NIV&passage=Philemon+1%3A1-7">Philemon 1:7</a>] That sure sounds to me that slave-owning Philemon possessed authentic Christianity.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 2 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4307

So, you are saying that all those slaveholders that the apostle Paul called his brothers in Christ were not Christians. You think you are right and the apostle Paul(and the New Testament) are wrong. That's highly presumptuous on your part, I would say.

KenH, BaptistBoard 5 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4308

If it [slavery] is NOT condemned in Scripture, then where to we find the moral basis to justify our moral outrage against it?... Just because you or I or some group finds something "morally offensive", if it doesn't have a base in the Bible, we are on thin ice.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 11 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4309

Regardless of the Bible[, you condemn slavery]? Do you then advocate making our 'moral sense' authoritative rather than the Bible?

rlvaughn, BaptistBoard 5 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4310

The golden rule cannot be made to walk on all fours. Should a masochist say 'do to others what you would have them do to you,' then he might try to inflict bodily pain and suffering on others, since he enjoys pain and suffering. The golden rule must work within Biblical parameters. I would contend that Paul's instructions to [slave]masters illustrate the proper Biblical application of the golden rule and slavery.

rlvaughn, BaptistBoard 7 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4311

What could be considered torture might take several forms... Though we might find it offensive, God prescribed it under the law (stoning, scourging,... et.al), and hell's punishment is and the lake of fire will be torment... Torture <u>performed for pleasure</u>, would be sinful and devilish in nature..." [Emphasis added] - rlvaughn, <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=62;t=000016;p=6#000082">BaptistBoard</a> <hr color="#ffffff" noshade size="8"> <p align="center"><a name="update">Latest Update</a> <hr color="#ffffff" noshade size="8"> "'several basic pieces of knowledge' [are contradicted by Genesis]? Oh, so it has to be written in the technical jargon of Scientific American to be valid?... [Creationism is] 'Dishonest,' is it? Because it patently contradicts the acknowledged speculations of the nineteenth and twentieth (and maybe three from the 21st) centuries?... Abiogenesis is not itself evolution, but the current model of Evolution mandates abiogenesis.

Asahel, POD Warrior Forum 2 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4312

The descendants of Noah's fancier specimens (behemoth, leviathan, velociraptor, et cetera, et al) do not seem to have adapted very well at all! to the brutal climate shift, and thus to have died out fairly thoroughly, although some question remains as to just when...

Asahel, POD Warrior Forum 5 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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