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Quote# 4302

I personally would not have held slaves. I would not have preached AGAINST it, though, and would have supported missionaries taking slaves with them to the field.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 13 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4301

There you go again [on segregation]! Because we were right back into the struggle over States' rights. You liberals really hate freedom as embodied in States' rights and freedom of association.

KenH, BaptistBoard 2 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4300

The only reason we think slavery is such a horrid evil is because we are so full of pride we don't like the idea of another man telling us what to do. Well tell me this, if God sees fit, in His providence, to make me subject to another man, who am I to complain of it? The anti-authority mentality that spawned the abolitionist movement is the same mentality that spawned the feminist movement, the 'children's rights' movement, and the 'sexual revolution' - aka hippy movement.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 4 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4299

If you are saying that the simple fact of owning another man is unjust then you must also assert that Roman slavery was unjust, for they, too, practiced human bondage. As far as the mistreatment of slaves, I agree it is wrong, but it does not chang the obligation of the slave to obey the master.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 21 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4298

It was a movement of humanism, human self-worth, human as God. It was called Unitarianism (often called Universalism today). It's new Gospel was one of rights and dignity and good works - a social Gospel of 'do-gooders' to replace the blood of Christ. THAT group were the core of the rabid abolitionist movement sweeping some northern areas (like Massachusetts). Social programs, strong government laws, liberal liberal liberal agenda.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 8 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4297

[Replying to another, shocked poster]Do you believe the word of God commanded slaves to obey and respect their masters, whether those masters were believers or unbelievers?

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 5 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4296

The Abolition Movement was the culmination of BAD THEOLOGY, centered around Unitarian/Universalist belief. It was a humanistic, knee-jerk reaction to perceived ills. Until that movement there was never a problem with Baptists and slavery... The Feminist Movement was the culmination of BAD THEOLOGY form liberal churches that did not accept the Biblical teaching or authority about the role of women. It was a humanistic, knee-jerk reaction to perceived ills. Until that movement, only the most liberal of Baptists would even consider ordaining a woman. And on with Blacks and Civil Rights And Gay rights Think you're on to something here, Mark. Good post.

Dr. Bob Griffin, BaptistBoard 7 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4295

The issue is twofold:  1. That, as long as slavery was legal, it was the duty of Christian slaves to be obedient to their masters, 'not only to the good and gentle but also to the froward.'  2. That the word of God never judges a man for the mere fact of owning another man. To the contrary, it commends several slave owners in highest terms. For example, Abraham, the Roman Centurion, and Philemon.  The abolitionist and other social movements of the the 19th and early 20th centuries - namely the feminist movement, the "temperance" movement, the youth movements, and the socialist movement - greatly affected the Baptist approach to the Scriptures. It was during that time that Baptists began to exalt human wisdom above the Scriptures. Now we are moving towards the 'gay rights movement.' Just as before, there will be those who resist, but in a matter of time acceptance of homosexuality among Baptist churches will be common place.

Mark Osgatharp, BaptistBoard 12 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4294

I could go along with the book burning. The early church did not seem to have a problem burning their book when they got saved.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 4 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4293

By the way, who do you think should do this 'therapy' that you recommend [for myself]? People like you? HA! Talk about the blind leading the blind.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 4 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4292

What a hyprocrate you are. All that talk about parental responsablity and you took your daugher AND three of her friend to see Harry Potter? If you do not even have enough sense to know that you should not expose children to witchcraft and sorcery, then there really is no use to even be having this conversation.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 6 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4291

I think the problem is with science, I think the problem is with the court system. I think the problem is with the media today and I do not see anyone doing anything about it. No, I take that back, I have one friend who is trying to do something about it. He has taken a public stand against Harry Potter.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 12 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4290

I am beginning to wonder if the good outweighs the bad, when it comes to computers. There is so much filth and disgusting perversion on computers. If science is so wonderful, why don't they find a way to get that filth off of the internet.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 15 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4289

Ok, have it your way, and science gave us Atomic bombs, science gave us amthrax, science gave us terrorism, science gave us the inquisition. Science gave us air and water pollution, science gave us porno with all it's filth and debauchery. Science also gives us world hunger, because it has the means to provide food, but it does not. It must be science that is destroying the morality of our kids, because science gives us the media that is destroying them.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 29 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4288

Some of what science offers is outright ignorance. Look at Psychology for example and how stupid that is. Why settle for that puke, when we can have the mind of God, we can have the same divine mind, attitude, thoughts and nature that Jesus had when He walked this earth as very man.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 16 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4287

People talk about how 'wonderful' science is. Well, when the Indians sold long island for about $24 worth of trinkets, they most have thought those trinkets were wonderful at the time, to give up the land. Now you would pay more like $24 a square foot for long island property. Science offers people a hand full of trinkets. People will then give up all they have for a hand full of nothing really. There is so much more to be had, and in reality, science offers so little.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 22 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4286

In fact like I said, telecommunications was started up by hobby clubs long before Bill Gates, IBM and modern science got involved in it... Science really did not get involved until computer were used for much more complex tasks than that.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 8 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4285

It kinda of surprises me that you would ask that question... Before science ever got involved, we had a TV, Radio, Photograph, Movie Camera, Telephone, to name a few. What science gave us was the transister, and later the micro processor.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 28 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4284

[In reply to 'invention has nothing to do with science?']Not in the early stages. It is to simple at first. Science is to busy trying to figure out complicated things and they tend not to be good in dealing with the more basic and simple concepts.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 8 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4283

Most electronics today is based on Edison's work, and he did not have much use for logic and scientific method.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 18 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4282

Computers were invented by hobby clubs[, not scientists?]. Before Bill Gates, Microsoft and IBM, we had message boards very much like this one. Even with 300 bit modems.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 20 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4281

Actually neither Harvey S. Firestone, Henry Ford or Thomas Edison were scientists by any stretch of the imagination. They were inventors, investors, businessmen, but there were not scientists.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 6 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4280

Yeah, you study away. Enjoy yourself, have a good time. Mean while people are dying and what are we doing to solve world hunger? Or are we do busy trying to figure out if man evolved with the ape or not.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 10 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4279

I am saying point blank that science does not always deliver on all they say they can deliever on. Ask any doctor when they have to tell a parent that their child is going to die and there is nothing they can do about it.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 14 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 4278

They talk about how wonderful science is and all that science has done for mankind. But what about the real world... Is it not all a little bit like the wisard of oz... Then you had the yellow brick road, that went to emerald city, where Dorthy could find Mr Science, the Wisdard. Did he have an answer for Dorothy?

JohnR7, Christian Forums 14 Comments [9/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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