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Quote# 7651

Do we all agree that a police officer is allowed to make arrest? (simple question, simple answer) I've always wanted to be a phrophet and I think I've just had a vision. I foresee several people not answering the question, saying the question is irrelevant, circumventing the question, and ignoring the question altogether. Hummmmmmmmmmm. Hummmmmmmmm. Yeeees, the vision is growing clearer by the second.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 5 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7650

Is it not bad for one to lose his/her freedom, then potentially be subject to BAD things such as being beaten to death (i.e., by other prisoners) or gang-raped? Do these things not sound BAD to you...? Going further with this type of 'logic': Sometimes we all feel like 'slaves' at work, so does this mean we should all quit our jobs? Should our children quit school if they feel like a 'slave' to their homework?

inquisitive01, Internet Infidels 1 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7649

So is our current prison system (depriving one of freedom, prisoners beating other prisoners to death, etc.) considered 'bad' by you?

inquisitive01, Internet Infidels 15 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7648

I agree that IF anyone did not treat their servants/maids with respect then, yes, that would be bad. However, if perhaps only a few treated their servants badly, is that sufficient enough to draw the overall, general conclusion of BAD? The terms 'bondman' and 'bondmaid' (Deuteronomy 15:15 and Leviticus 25) do seem to be referring to actual slaves as a 'possession.' However, though slavery is considered BAD today, back then it was likely considered the norm (a way of life).

inquisitive01, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7647

I wonder how these masters would get their lazy, insubordinate slaves to work [without beatings]? Maybe I don't have enough faith in the phrase 'pretty please.'

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7646

I never said slavery wasn't harsh, because, yes, sometimes beatings are necessary if the slave is not obedient. But, sentencing a criminal to life in jail is also harsh, but necessary. But beating an obedient slave just because you despise him is not a disciplinary action. It is an action influenced by hatred alone. This is not the slavery defined in the bible.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 2 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7645

Slavery, as defined in the bible is not wrong. No one has said anything to prove that it is. All people have done so far is reference that beating was allowed, as part of the slavery defined by the bible, in an attempt to equate it altogether to the slavery of early America. If this is not the goal then one must be trying to say that beating someone that wont work as an incentive to work is wrong. No pain to anyone ever (even if necessary). And I thought Christians were the ones with the fluffy beliefs.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 7 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7644

The bible has restrictions that were there to prevent masters from abusing their slaves. As I have stated, one can look at a child/father relationship and see the same issues arrise as in the slave/master relationship. Fathers are allowed to beat their children, but warned not to abuse this right. Some fathers abuse their children and that is wrong. Does that mean child birth should be illegal. That's a rhetorical question, but a hint for those who don't know the answer: it begins with an N. My father, and many others, raised me in accordance with bible regulations. I was beat, but not abused, when needed. Eventually, I didn't need physical incentive to obey. My father and I have a great relationship as I'm sure many slaves/masters of the day did. Just as some fathers should not be fathers because they abuse the role, some masters (owners of slaves) do the same.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 4 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7643

You focus on the allowed beating of slaves. If slaves are lazy and insubordinate then they need some incentive to work (i.e. a beating). The bible doesn't tell masters they must beat their slaves. It says beating is allowed, being that it is necessary as an incentive to work. In fact, some slaves became slaves voluntarily, and thus were probably effecient workers for their masters. They probably never needed incentive to work because they knew what they were getting in to, thus beatings weren't necessary. Some slaves even chose to stay a slave under their master instead of being set free. Why? Were they sadist or masochist? No, I'm sure they had pleasant relationships with their masters because they did what was asked of them and needed no beatings as incentive.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 14 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7642

I never said that slavery should be used, but the slavery defined in the bible is not immoral or wrong. Slavery, when corrupted, as happend in early America leads to great unjustices, but that doesn't make slavery, as the bible defines it, wrong. Communism, in theory, is great.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 7 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7641

Many foreign people think capitalism is 'immoral.' I said (and I quote) 'If all slaves were treated appropriately and correctly.' Getting treated not 'good' and 'unjust' doesn’t fall under those regulations.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 3 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7640

Who is determining the slavery defined in the bible is 'immoral' and how did they arrive at this conclusion? We have a UN today. Without it, and it some cases with it, but defintely without it there would be dictatorships and the mistreating of people would happen constantly. Is it 'immoral' not to have a UN, or is the UN in place just because without it people would act up and things would get chaotic. Can the same be said about slavery? If conducted properly, by the regulations of the bible, slavery is not 'immoral'.

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 0 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7639

If all slaves were treated appropiately and correctly... there would be no negative connotation applied to slaves or slavery. But, since many slaves were abused, killed, raped, maimed, etc., which was not in accordance with the bibles regulations, there has been a negative association applied to 'slavery' and 'slaves.'

Not_Registered, Internet Infidels 19 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7638

Regardless of whatever excuses you come up with for removing the Bible from public, this nation will fall. And that's all it is- parroted excuses. It's foolish first of all to put man's laws or his interpretation of his own laws above God's word and His laws. It's foolish for any nation to go against God. To deliberately set out to target Christians and specifically God's word. That nation will not survive, I don't see how it can. And I do think this constant round of terrorist threats, warnings and even attacks are part of that judgment.

Blessedx4, Rapture Ready 7 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7637

Even President Reagan admitted that he was once a liberal. Thankfully, he grew out of it and became an American!

26Franklin, Rapture Ready 21 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7636

Atheist? [fainting smiley] Just unbelievable! It is beyond me how a child turns out to be this way, when a parent is born again!

msjagcat777, Rapture Ready 13 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7635

Nothing like rewriting history to make Muslims feel good. Speculation and wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

felixthecat, Rapture Ready 8 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7634

Tolerance blinds once judgement and the truth of the matter (Islam) is too much for people to comprehend. One day they will realize (for only mere seconds), as their head are rolls away from their body. A little too graphic? Good! wake up y'all...

SamsonOption, Rapture Ready 6 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7633

I know the state dept. hates Jews with a passion, but now they are in league with the various groups to de-Christianize our history.

Ruckus, Rapture Ready 9 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7632

One, the things u have there for proof of evolution are in fact nothing but lies. Chew on this, that is an example of microevolution. Which that is possible by just pure experimentation. However, you are arguing that this 'microevolution' proves 'macroevolution.' U see there is a big difference. Micro has to deal with microscopic organisms Such as bacteria. Macro has to deal with visual organisms Such as things you can see(apes). The problem starts when u try to prove 'macroevolution' with 'microevolution.' YOu see there is proof for 'micro' but none for 'macro.' When you show me a picture of half ape half man then and only then can you state your evolution 'theory', which is really nothing but a religion, As fact. If you really want someone to show you more go to www.drdino.com . Peace out for right now. Remember none can stand against God....not even these evolution punks.

dcttrinity777, POD Warrior Forum 5 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7631

Christians do not think science is useless, we just interpret the facts in a different yet completely rational way. God created things with the appearence of age. Please show me how the existance of a God is irrational.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 5 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7630

We are getting smarter as humans. Organization from chaos? Cancels out evolution as a plausable theory in my book.

hayden, POD Warrior Forum 12 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7629

I think Monkeys having monkey babies disproves evolution. Apparently we evolved from them, so why are they still here. Until I see a monkey pop out a human, I will never believe it.

snoochies, POD Warrior Forum 13 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7628

True, but remember that the acceptance of CONTRACEPTION in 1929 by the first Christian church to ever approve of it, the anglican church, was the cause of the rise of abortion and the disrespect of women and the conjugal act of love in general. Then came the rise of divorce as a direct result of both of these and the loss of the sacredness of marriage between man and wife and therefore a breakdown in families and therefore homosexuality from poor relations with father figures in those families. It didn't just 'pop up' one day, it had a beginning and that was contraception.

Eucharista, Christian Forums 18 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 7627

Also, history in any other culture that accepted homosexuality as a norm for any extended amount of time shows that beastiality, sex within families and sex with children and parents occurred. all civilizations that accepted homosexual married inevitable fell.

Eucharista, Christian Forums 6 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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