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Quote# 15377

I doubt that there are people out there that didn't smoke, then accepted Jesus and then for some reason started to smoke

WordForUs, Christian Forums 36 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Axver

Quote# 15380

[Galatians3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither male nor female"]


That refers to SALVATION ONLY (or else same-sex marriages would be allright) .


ronmathison, Christian Forums 28 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Theironpaperclip

Quote# 15385

A Christian Praise Report

Hello to all,

Well we successfully lauched our ex-gay ministry today, and I am just thrilled about it. The fields are ripe unto harvest for all the souls wanting to come to the Lord, and free themselves from the bondage of sexual idolatry. Surrendering their lives and will to the LORD, ohh the blissful thought of it. Let's give 'em a big LUVIN hug everybody.

Ahh yes the satisfaction it brings to know more souls will escape the agonies of hell. Feel the love for our fellow man!!!!!!

Satan is soo embarassed he could just cry. Well pooh pooh!

What a great thing the Lord is doing. Shall we give Him the glory, honor, and praise that only HE deserves?

Anyway I might submit a poll to get an idea on the sentiments here on this sub-forum. Let's hear your honest feelings about this ministry, and the change it is bringing into people's lives.

Isn't it wonderful to have that sweet sweet love of Jesus in your heart? Preach on! Preach on! yeah!!!!

MercyBurst, Christian Forums 25 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15386

[This is part of a discussion between commentators, spun off from the original blog.]

[AJS wrote "If God created us deliberately short of perfect for his own amusement, unable to tell right from wrong and then punishing us anyway when we did something he didn't approve of, that just tells me God is some kind of sick pervert."]

You assume some things that are contrary to what God has already told us. God originally created a perfect world without death, disease or suffering. It was man who goofed it up. Just because God allowed it to happen doesn't make him an abomination. As a matter of fact, God has a plan that works for the good of his people (Romans 8:28). The important thing for us is to confess our sins and accept Christ as our Lord and Savior so that we can be part of his kingdom. You also assume we don't know right from wrong. But scripture makes it clear that we do know right from wrong, good from evil (Genesis 3:5 & Genesis 3:22). So rest assured that God is holy, and not sick and perverted.

[AJS wrote "If some kinds of Sin do no real harm in this life, and some of use are quite content with this life, then why should we do anything about them? (For my part, I believe there is only one absolute regarding sexual behaviour: the Fully Informed Consent of all parties.)"]

All sin does real harm. You may not recognize the consequences immediately, but they are there, no matter how small. Even a little white lie can hurt someone. Just because you can't detect the harm doesn't mean all is good. And any sexual sin, such as adultery or homosexuality, does harm too, either to others or the individual. Some of the consequences might result in a divorce, STD's, broken relationships, etc. The harm could be long term or short term. But even if the only absolute you personally believe in is full consent, what about those who don't believe in that absolute? What makes you right and them wrong? Why wouldn't rape be okay if it made someone content and happy in this life, and why would it be wrong to harm someone? Who are you to judge someone who finds real joy in harming others? At some point you have to admit there are absolutes greater than man. There really can't be any right or wrong unless there's a God whom you are ultimately sinning against.

Jon S, EvolutionBlog 14 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: David D.G.

Quote# 15388

Ex-Gays Defeating satan & embarrasing pro-gays

I ‘m just wondering what other people think about someone converting from gay to straight along with a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.

I believe the bible says homosexuals are going to an eternal BURNING HELL because of the sin of sexual idolatry.

I believe the bible says homosexual behavior is a grievous sin. As one pastor put it, when God says “the end” in the bible, homosexual is the period at the end of the sentence. Biblically it is human depravity in its lowest state. It doesn’t get much lower.

I can only feel sorry for those that don’t want to escape this horrible fate – to be joined forever with this sexual idol with worms crawling over them screaming in agony, for somebody, anybody to help them. But it’s too late, and they burn forever -- what a horrible fate. I wouldn’t want it on anyone, but the bible says it is true.

Jesus said it with His own lips, “This is the Condemnation, that light came into the world, but men preferred darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.”

Don’t join the horrible parade to hell’s gates. In God’s eyes it’s a shameful thing, not something to be proud of. Escape while you still can.

MercyBurst, Christian Forums 24 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: UberLutheran

Quote# 15389

[What you describe as a horrible fate isn't anything to worry about for those of us who don't believe as you do. We have nothing to fear, and neither do the vast majority of homosexuals. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't necessarily make it so.]

I don't want to believe I'm going to die, but I will. It's reality. I believe hell is a reality too, and homosexuals are going there just like the bible tells me. How horrible. A few years of sexual pleasure brings them eternal torment with worms crawling all over their rotting bodies. Oh, how they wish they could just die, but they can't. They must live on, joined to their sex idol like an eternally grotesque ritual.

MercyBurst, Christian Forums 33 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: UberLutheran

Quote# 15390

Website title: Steve Irwin (The Crocodile Hunter)
was not a hero or a role model

Was his death an accident or a judgment from God?

This first issue I'd like to address here is why ask this question? There are two reasons. First, it should be acknowledged that in conservative Christian circles all around the world this question has probably come up many times already. Christians who are familiar with the Bible know that God can and will take this kind of action if he has a mind to do so. So it's a fair question from a Biblical perspective. Second, if this truly was a judgment from God, then it may have been done to make a point he wanted the rest of us to understand. That point could be a) there are limits to his patience, b) he's watching and keeping score, c) a reminder that he is not just a God of love and mercy, but also of wrath and judgment. Again, Christians are already considering that possibility, but the secular media seems oblivious to it. If you're not aware that it at least could have been a judgment from God, then you may completely miss the point(s) God was trying to make.

Only God knows with certainty the answer to that question. However, it is naive to dismiss the possibility that God may have directed his wrath against him just because of how "good" one thinks Mr. Irwin may have been. It also demonstrates a poor understanding of what God tells us about himself concerning his wrath and judgment. There are several reasons to at least consider the possibility that his "accidental" death may in fact have been a judgment from God.

1. Mr. Irwin engaged in what God tells us in scriptures that he considers to be an exceptionally wicked practice of causing Christians to stumble in their faith. He did this by his unrepentant promotion of evolutionism.
2. Because he had such a large worldwide audience and was so entertaining and likeable (and therefore very influential), common sense would suggest that he was probably a very large blip on God's radar screen.
3. God tells us in Romans 9 that he sometimes will put up with (what he refers to as "longsuffering") with those who are engaged in unrepentant wickedness so that at some point he can make an example of them by eventually directing his wrath against them.
4. Given the completely unexpected way Mr. Irwin was killed by a normally docile creature that has only killed 2 other people in Australia prior to this, it almost looks like God may have caught him off-guard the very same way he's going to catch millions of other non-Christians off-guard when he returns to the Earth in his glorious second coming. See if the way Mr. Irwin died doesn't bear some small resemblance to this prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 about the end-times, but on a much smaller scale.

The Young Earth Creation Club, Creationists.org 64 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: UberLutheran

Quote# 15391

Recent news media reports about homosexual activists trying to get funding cuts for the Boy Scouts highlight the need for parents to understand the link between homosexuality and the teaching of the religion of evolutionism in the public schools. It is vital that parents understand that evolutionism is really a religion masquerading as science. At its foundation, evolutionism is rooted in the religions of atheism and humanism. Both of these false religions directly challenge the authority of the Bible, and indirectly (often in subtle ways) encourage their believers to substitute the fallible 'wisdom' of men for the infallible true wisdom of our Creator.

As the priests of evolutionism labor diligently in our public schools to indoctrinate our children with their world view, one side-affect of their efforts is that they often succeed in convincing many of their students that the moral absolutes of the Bible (i.e. homosexuality is sinful) are not to be believed. How do they do this? By attacking the very foundation of the Bible, the book of Genesis. If they can convince their students through their bad science that Genesis is not a true account of our history, then they've succeeded in undermining the whole authority of the Bible. Not all evolutionists have this as a goal. But intentional or not, this is the often the net affect of the dogmatic teaching of evolutionism as fact in the public schools. Christians who fall for this deception typically end up on one of three paths in their lives:

1. They engage in highly creative interpretations of the Bible to try to make the Bible somehow 'fit' with the lies of evolutionism. This then sets a precedent for the twisting of other parts of the Bible, including its clear statements about homosexuality being sinful. Once Christians start traveling down this road, it often becomes a slippery slope that leads to all kinds of other gross misinterpretations of scriptures. Now, their "sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God" (Ephesians 6;17) is now a dull sword. They may still be Christians, but they're less effective (sometimes to a very great degree).
2. They abandon the moral absolutes of Bible all-together. This is becoming more and more a trend with young people who have been indoctrinated in evolutionism for many years in the public school system.
3. They initially are 'believers' in evolutionism, but later become concerned about what seems to be irreconcilable differences between the Bible's account of Creation and Evolution. This concern causes them to investigate further by getting the opposing views to evolutionism. Those who do this with an open mind often discover the truth that God's Word can be trusted (including the book of Genesis), and that evolutionism is indeed a false religion disguised as science. This then can lead to a proper understanding of how God intended homosexuality, among other issues, to be viewed. It can also completely eliminate the need to do creative Bible interpretation, because now the plain reading of scripture is readily understood to be the truth.

The Young Earth Creation Club, The connection between homosexuality and evolutionism 22 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: UberLutheran

Quote# 15398

There was a reason that God said it was not good that man be alone. Man was without a mate, amongst animal creatures with mates.

once presented with his mate, he saw bone of HIS bone and flesh of HIS flesh. She was the only one LIKE him.

when SOME scientists bring up this malarky, they want to liken us to the animals, and that will open doors for the sick to come in with ideas like beastialty.... loving the created more than the creator

always, bibleforums.org 13 Comments [9/27/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15335

First of all, how do they know it's Lucy's baby? Even criminal investigators have no way of knowing who the parents of a skeleton were unless they can match it with the DNA of a relative. :rolleyes:

Carico, CARM 36 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15336

After much time observation of muslims in general, they will have to be wiped out by the millions, the women, the children, and the old. We certainly dealt too gently with Afghanistan, and compounding the error by dealing too gently with Iraq.

Kathy30, Free Conservatives 38 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15337

God made the plants before the sun because He knew that 6000 years down the road it would serve as a powerful refutation to evolution.

He also made the earth before the sun.

AV1611VET, Christian Forums 47 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Axver

Quote# 15338

serrae (U5423419)

Your reply has reminded me of the following experience.

I was still living with my parents and we had moved into newly converted block of 8 flats. The 4 on the ground floor each had private entrances. We were the first tenants. Next door a newly married young couple moved in and we heard screams in the night. Next day we learned that they had been awoken by a feeling of intense cold and had been horrified by a green mist rising out of the stone flagged carpeted floor by the side of their bed. They sensed a ‘being’ in the mist which slowly dissolved when the wife screamed.

My father was bricklayer who had worked on the conversion so he knew that there were no cellars. It was a mystery. After the 3rd night of the couple being petrified and their determination to leave he offered to take up the floor to see what was beneath. Beneath the flags was a substantial wooden floor and joists. When this was cut through they climbed down a ladder into a stone room with no entrance. In the centre was a two piece stone table. One stone forming the lengthways upright with the table piece resting on it.

The building had been nursing home at one time but the lack of entrance and the substantial ceiling forming the floor to the bedroom above led to the conclusion that it must predate the Nursing Home. Whether the room had been used as a mortuary or for sacrificial killings was never established.

Nearby was large church run by very godly vicar who came and conducted an exorcism service and after the floor was restored the couple were able to return and didn’t see the ghostly apparition again.

My personal experiences of phantoms, demons and witchcraft can be accessed on the following link: http://keithsstory.mysite.orange.co.uk/

BornAgain (U2249300), BBC Religion 26 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 15339

You would think that even Rosie O'Donnell could grasp that there is indeed a difference between "radical Christianity" and "radical Islam."

I'm not so sure she doesn't. The thing is that Rosie loathes Christianity because it does not sanction her 'alternative lifestyle.'

I know, I know. Neither does radical Islam. True. But let's face it, even if Islam wins, the western world will not become Islamist overnight. It does not work that way. And liberals know it. It's sort of "After me, the deluge," as the Sun King said.

Liberals do not see radical Islam as an immediate threat. But Christianity IS a threat to them because it condemns abortion, homosexuality, bestiality (seeing as how it's becoming an expected trend; go to the Europeans and Barnyard Sex thread, in this same forum), etc. Christianity condemns "If it feels good, do it." And that's liberals' gospel.

That's why liberals consider Christianity an immediate threat. And they compare it to radical Islam because they want people to fear it as they fear the Sharia law. Liberals are bent on erradicating Christianity. They think that they will eventually be able to do the same thing with Islam.

They certainly have another thought coming, but as we all know, liberals never learn.

Maggie_T, FreeConservatives 23 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Abysses

Quote# 15340

Being nice also make you finish last. I so love being an asshole!!

Beowulf, FreeConservatives 34 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15341

Define "nice". In the libleft argot, "nice" is politically correct, atheistic, God-hating, America-loathing, Bush-bashing, spineless, gutless, weak-kneed, appeasing, compromising, surrendering, and treasonous. IOW, "nice" is synonymous with "liberal".

Doctor Doom, FreeConservatives 39 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15342

['I had lunch with a good friend yesterday who's from a Muslim country. We talked about the world situation and he repeatedly said how great he believes America is. He didn't kill me by the way, he's not a terrorist. I'm sorry you have so much hate Diane.']

Yeah, I love simple minded, self deluded sheep like that. There's even a few of those idiots that post here in these forums.

"I have a FRIEND who is a Muslim, s/he always tells me how great America is. S/He ALWAYS tells me the 'Radicles' don't have any idea what Islam is about...."

When I see a woman say this, I have this over-powering desire to find this woman, and date her. After all, the gullible bitch is RIPE for being taken advantage of.

Don't these assholes realize that their "muslim friends" can say what ever the fuk they WANT to them. They can tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear. And then later that night, when they're back with their family and other muslims, the conversation changes.

"Yeah, I have this American friend. MAN is this bitch stupid! I keep telling her how much I LOVE America. Then when she gets up to go get another coke, I spit in the fat ignorant bitches salad! HAHAHAHA!"

So all you mindless sheep with your "Pro American Muslim Friends", you keep right on believing. But DO NOT FORGET what you have been told. Do not forget the warnings. Because when your "Pro American Muslim Friend" starts sliding that knife across your throat in the name of Jihad, I hope your last thoughts are "Man, what a gullible asshole I have been!".

Because we all know, Muslims kidnap, they kill, they torture, but THEY DAMN WELL NEVER LIE! Yeah, right! You gullible twits!

Gonzo67, Free Conservatives 44 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15343

['Mr Murdock is being ironic. Being "nice" never hurt anybody. Being "stupid" has gotten several million killed. It's a practical application of natural selection.']

SEVERAL MILLION? In the 20th century alone, it is well over 150,000,000 sheep led to the slaughter mostly by homegrown thugs. Unless we, collectively, get our heads on straight, you will see slaughter by Islamic ideologues in the U.S. and Europe that will make Darfur look like a picnic. If blood is to flow, it is time for Islam to learn that Caucasians are the most efficient and effective killers in recorded history.

Etaoin, Free Conservatives 46 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15346

The simple fact of the matter is that since you believe that Reality exists and you have no definition of God to the contrary and the Pantheist God is Nature/Reality, then The Atheist already knows that at least one God is real, Biblical or not.

It seems that Reality testifies that it is the Atheist that doesn't really exist.

[Bold in original]

ReluctantProphet, Christian Forums 38 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Axver

Quote# 15347

'Pummel Your Body'
Telephone sex can become addictive. We need to 'pummel our body and lead it as a slave' in order to meet Jehovah's approval. (1 Corinthians 9:27) If you are currently engaging in telephone sex, why not get some help? Telling your Christian parents would be a good start. Yes, they may well be upset with you. But they may also be in the best position to help monitor your behavior so that you don't have a relapse. The elders in your local congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses will also be willing and able to help out.

wt, watchtower.org 39 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15348

(In response to NYC allowing transgendered people to change their birth certificates:)

So, the New York State Ministry of Information has activated their memory hole to please the trannies and it's supposed to be a "good" thing.

A "birth certificate" is supposed to reflect information about a person at the time of their birth. If some nutcase later claims to be trapped in the wrong time stream, galaxy or gender that does not make it OK to change their vital records to reflect their delusion.

I wonder when terrorism fetishists will begin demanding the right to carry bombs everywhere they go. After all, we have to cater to everyone's sexual hang-ups no matter how disruptive to the existing system they might be.

("bobandcarole" responded: "Shemales, faggots that don't know who they are......")

Frank Uriah, alt.fashion.crossdressing (crossposted to other groups) 36 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Martha P.

Quote# 15350

There is NO acceptance or approval of sin...and we can regard those caught up in homosexuality as deceived(just like all other sinners)...The problem with all this is that since drinking is"legal", and "gambling" and other things that lead to sin, the people who dont understand the sublety of satan, think that "unions" between homosexual couples will cut down the flourishing of the lifestyle and its influence. The problem is this...it is a cancer in society...the worse because God created societies to work with the one- man -one woman concept to propagate the races and create communities...Satan is deceiving the masses...but God wants us to pray, live holy lives, and stay out of the muck of those who would insist on changing God's rules...pray, love, and live holy lives...

Dr. Fran Young, Myspace 25 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: clemsecon

Quote# 15351

[Re: U.N.: Iraq civilian deaths hit a record]

Civilians or terrorists posing as "civilians".

I same more "civilian" deaths is a d*mn good thing.

Those with moral equivalency deficit can't tell the difference.

skyrocket2u, American Conservative Forum 26 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 15352

[The Hyde Amendment excludes abortion from the comprehensive health care services provided to low-income people by the federal government through Medicaid.]

To be honest I actually support the Hyde Amendment because women need to take responsibility for their own bodies and shouldn't ask the government for assistance in that regard. Plus it proves that many pro-choicers are blatantly hypocritical

Jessica, Myspace 21 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Sierra

Quote# 15354

Belief in God seems to be a natural inference. Atheists are very rare and usually have to be converted to atheism. The reason probably so many believe in God, is the alternative seems absurd. The thought of everything popping into existence for no reason without a cause strains the imagination. The philosopher Aristotle formalized the cosmological argument, but I think it's a natural understand most have at least on some level. It's not so much why we believe in a God, as why would anyone not? The God explanation for our existence just makes logical sense.

Seeing really doesn't tell us much about anything anyway. I've never seen electricity nor George Washington. Seeing is one small part of knowing things.

The problem if evil is solved by freewill. God has given man freedom for a limited time. He saw freedom as more important than preventing all evil and suffering. Personally I'm glad I'm not a robot, even if I have to suffer at the hands of other free agents.

Calminian, Christian Forums 36 Comments [9/26/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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