Quote# 22507

If god is the sole creator of the natural world, then he is also the sole arbiter in deciding what is natural an un-natural, the former being that which is in harmony with his plan and his nature. He is, of course, also the only means by which anyone can tell what is right and wrong.

If it necessary and/or beneficial for a society or nation not to contravene god's laws and tolerate disobedience to them, preferring rather that which is 'right' and 'natural' according to god, its legislation, the key way in which it controls the populace, should reflect this.

If god created sex for a married woman and man, then it is immoral for unmarried women and men to have sex with one another, because it is a violation of god's plan for humanity.

Should extramarital sex be criminalised? At the very least, should the State not remove any children produced through extramarital sex, so that they are not poisoned with this immorality and un-natural behaviour?

Robbie_James_Francis, Christian Forums 23 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22505

From what I've read our society today is alot like first century Rome. They were throwing Christians to the lions. It freaks me out a little bit. I hope I could stand, but I don't know if I could watch my children be fed to lions. Oh, Lord Jesus, please come soon!

laurie in ok, Rapture Ready 52 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22504

Thank God that the earth is NOT moving!!

The Biblical geocentric model of the universe is called WYSIWYG — What you see is what you get...True science is supposed to be based on observation. We see the array of stars wheeling around the earth approximately daily, and we motorize our telescopes to follow their steady motion. We see the sun rising and setting daily. We see the planets doing roughly the same thing, and we see the moon following them on a somewhat different schedule, all revolving around the earth as our eyes testify.

There is no justification at all from what we observe to arbitrarily assume the stars to be fixed and the earth rotating. The beauty of geocentricity is that what you see is what you get! It is a simple and readily understandable scenario for those who are willing to believe what their eyes tell them, and make the mental transition back to the instinctive reference frame of a stationary earth.

Niall Kilkenny, Reformation 40 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22503

When is comes to "education" the Spanish Inquisition is absolutely ruthless. They used Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler and Einstein to attack the FIRST book of the Bible and Darby to attack the book of Revelation—the LAST book of the Bible.

In the secular realm they used DARWINISM or EVILution to destroy faith in the Genesis and scientific account of Creation. All the schools under their control teach Darwinism or the theory that the earth is millions of years old and that man came from monkeys.

This deadly Spanish Inquisition Jesuit has sent millions of soul to hell believing that they were just animals that time and chance happened to place on this small planet.

He stole his theory from ancient Egypt where monkeys were a vital part of the Pharaonic religion.

EVILution destroys faith in God and the Bible. With no fear of a coming judgment, politicians and others have no qualms about taking bribes from the "Federal" Reserve Bank in order to deliver the country to the Spanish Inquisition.

Darwin lied and denied the existence of giants and he claimed to have found the missing link in Patagonia, Argentina.

Niall Kilkenny, Reformation 52 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22502

"Some Christians believe in evolution." or "Some evolutionists believe in creation." Afterall, isn't a Christian or someone of any religion who believes that God created life through evolution (but he didn't) actually an evolutionist> Isn't every evolutionist that believes that God created life through evolution a God-believer? Indeed they are. However, none of this proves the message you were trying to convey: that Christianity has lost out to evolution and that evolution is slowly replacing belief in creation as defined by the holy scriptures. This claim that you were attempting to convey is slanted, because it attempts to provide justification which is contrary to the numbers. The fact is that the world is slowly getting more religious. Millions more people now believe that there is a "divine being" or creator of some kind that did 100 years ago. This is partly due to the fact that many people around the world in countless nations have converted or been converted to one religion or another.

ElderMan, FileFront Gaming Forums 8 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22501

Evolution is thought of as fact by many people, but not because they have examined the evidence for it and concluded the thooery is correct. No, instead they have been spoonfed a hoax by scientists who cover-up anything they find that implies creation in science. Such is the case with thousands of artifacts found around the world. They sit in boxes in the basements of museums and universities, and the general public is not given privy to even knowing they exist, much less being able to examine them. If you meet with one of the directors of these institutions and ask to examine thier artifacts, you will be asked to show your credentials which varify that you have a PhD or at least a Master's and are in need of seeing them for a scientific reason. If they don't like you or if you are a Christian, you don't get in to see them.

ElderMan, FileFront Gaming Forums 21 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22500

[Sadly not. According to gallup's last poll only 99.86% of people with a relevant ( biological ) degree accept evolution.]

Well, until I get a "relevant ( biological ) degree" ... no ... skip that ... if I had a "relevant ( biological ) degree", I'd be in the .14 percentage.

AV1611VET, Christian Forums 30 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: JustinGG

Quote# 22498

If evolution was true then we would see animals with 6 legs



Dwayne Dibbley, ABC Online Forum 77 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22496

[Whether abortion is legal under the US Constitution is not a question of religion.

By the same token would you prohibit schools from teaching that the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old just because some religious opinions do not recognize reality?]

Yep, and you would choose to teach my kids something you call reality but cannot be proven.

I hate to tell you this, but the Constitution is like the Law of Moses. It shows the need for a Saviour. The law cannot satisfy everyone. The law cannot be just for everyone. There will be no true justice until Christ is King.

Lisa0315, Christian Forums 27 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: JustinGG

Quote# 22491

I sometimes think that the cheerleaders for the homos and their putative rights are actually ecologists, who are happy that at least
these people will not be reproducing and filling the planet with any more detestable human beings...

A good evolutionist, if you'll pardon the contradiction in terms, would indeed encourage homosexuality as a viable option in the hope of making other adults de facto infertile, and having more of the space available in coming generations set aside for one's own offspring.

Uncle Davey, Usenet: free.christians 32 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Vyoma

Quote# 22486

This comes as no surprise to me. I've been saying for years that we need to be prepared because the kind of persecution believers suffer in places like China is coming here, and I think it's going to come on very quickly. It starts with gagging Christians so we can't say anything in public and swiftly - very swiftly - progresses to hauling us before courts and magistrates, and then to "re-education" facilities, and finally to execution chambers.

I tire of the people who say "it's not going to happen here, blah blah blah". Wake up - it already IS happening here. I also tire of the people who say "God promised us we wouldn't suffer". Uhm no He didn't. He promised us Christ would be with us, even to the end of the age. And He promised that we would not suffer His wrath. But all else is fair game - going through heinous persecution, in danger of death, having your property confiscated - all of that and more.

mikitta, Rapture Ready 28 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22483

[Thread about dresses vs pants]

I know some people say that there are some activities you cannot do in a skirt or culottes and be modest. I would agree. For example, I could see how it would be hard for a woman to be a skydiver in a skirt and be modest. I can see how it would be impossible for a woman to perform acrobatics in a skirt and be modest. I have heard people say it is hard to climb a tree in a skirt and be modest (I've also heard of girls climbing trees in a skirt ). I would suggest this: if you cannot do something in a skirt and be modest, perhaps you shouldn't do whatever that 'something' is. I'll give you an example: Kellie loves to go to waterslides. I love to swim. It is impossible for us to go to a water park or the beach and keep me from seeing things I shouldn't. It is also difficult for Kellie to go down a waterslide and be modest. So, we don't do waterparks. We have chosen to sacrifice pleasing our flesh for the sake of pleasing God.

Bro. Randy, Teens-4-Christ 61 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Archangel_Lucifer

Quote# 22482

[Heavy work pants were essential when women took over men's jobs at factories during WWII.]


Key thought here - Women took over the men's jobs! I understand that companies were very short-staffed during WWII and women were called upon to keep the country going - BUT - as soon as the men came home those women should have headed back home to fulfill their original purpose as keepers at home! However, that is not the topic here - just wanted to get that thought in there. There is NO reason why the ladies could not do those jobs properly attired as a lady. It was just simpler to put on the man's pants than to become creative in their ladylike dress...... Although these women were hard workers at their new jobs, they failed miserably at remaining the ladies they once were.

Mrs Debbie, Teens-4-Christ 64 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Archangel_Lucifer

Quote# 22476

(Newborns respond to stimuli, and they have a nervous system capable of basic thought.

There's a huge difference between being asleep and not having a brain, in case you were wondering about that, too.)

but, there is no difference in the care that is provided

like it or not.. when you are pregnant.. you are a mother.. that is your child

if you arent expected to provide necessary biological support to your child.. then, who the FUCK ARE YOU to make someone else care for them? (the father.. the taxpayer.. etc.).. and WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to demand care from anyone?

contradict the liberal basis of our constitutional law.. thats fine

but, live according to your own contradiction

if you dont.. fuck off you stupid hypocrite

Propaganda, Myspace 20 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 22475

I know you all think I'm an ass, and I don't blame you. My life sux. Hate me if you must cuz I just know Jesus hates you all. And Jesus just pities most of you. I'll see you all in Hell. You know what? If any of you crack whores comment me on how weird and gross i am, yeah, Jesus REALLY hates you. I am a bible nerd cuz I'm afraid that one day I may Fall into an infinite death

[...]

yeah, whatevr. I have a secret than NO ONE knows.. something horible is going to happen to the world... and only God and I know what.....

For now I tell you this; there is a serpent in the heart of the nation disguised in the robes of the messiah..


emochild224, Quizilla 43 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Raptor Jesus

Quote# 22474

Psychiatry is unscientific: "mental illness" is a myth. The Bible never speaks of anyone being mentally ill, only that they have sin or seared consciences.

Kent Smithers, The Fraud of Modern Psychiatry 60 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22473

evolution is a stupid bold faced lie pitifully masked with scientific jargon. we cant live without lungs a heart or blood at anytime if so what came first a finger? one leg? an eye?.

hikari4light, Youtube 17 Comments [3/25/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22471

Well, it's finally happened. We have turned our science into a religion and we are copying old habits from old religious traditions.

Global warming has presented our society with a mia culpa that we can exhonorate ourselve from by simply buying our way out via carbon credits should our carbon footprint be too large.

Like the catholic indulences of old, where-in a wealthy sinner could pay for his sins in advance and there-by insure his place in Heaven, our wealthy living in mansions and driving Hummers, can pay for carbon credits obtained from low carbon emitters.

How do you like that?

EL KABONG, Myspace 27 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 22470

This is unreal.
How has it gotten this bad.
These Homosexual groups are shoving the most Vile sin in everyones face.
And saying if you dont swollow it your a hate filled biggot.
How long will it be before their true Violance is felt?
Because the Underlying And base element of Homosexualty Is Vicious Violance.
A great Visiousness lies in the hearts of All Homosexuals.
It stems from self loathing.
THeir God Given conscience's can never seem to make peice with the Sin they Do no matter How hard they try.
So they Become elixethymic (Must have Constant movement and activity so they dont have to think of their own depravety)that they
Shout to the world loudly about their sexual sin and use it for prophet.
They prosilatise it because it is a religion as much as humanism is a religion.
In most of america today the Homosexual is placed on a special pedistal
so that everyone must see and hear their Cardload Of Godflaunting Sin's.
In the Culture of the Young and Godless today the Homosexual allways gets the High moral Ground against those who are against it.

Its' a very weird Spycosis that takes place in their Minds.
Because of the perverted nature of their Minds they blame Christians and their families for the Hurting of their own Conscience's.
But The Sheer Hatred and Anger of the Homosexual is a Hatred For God.

turtle, Rapture Ready 54 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 22467

By the way, to directly answer your question: there is a very large group which claims to be Christian, and they have murdered millions in the name of Christ. However they are not Christians. In fact, it was the true believers they murder. Who, you ask? The Roman Catholic Church.

Bro. Randy, Teens 4 Christ 41 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22465

Section is titled "Three Teens Define 'A Real Woman'"

A real woman...

...does not compete for equality with men or chafe at God's design for male and female, but delights in and understands the importance of her calling to complement man's role. (1 Timothy 2:11-12, Ephesians 5:22-24)

...realizes her imperative need to allow the Holy Spirit to control her emotions and expressions of them. (James 1:19-20)

...does not wallow in self-pity or make a habit of voicing complaints, but radiates cheerfulness and joy. (Proverbs 15:15, Proverbs 17:22)

...appreciates her father's protection, and respects and submits to his authority. In so doing, she is preparing herself to exercise the Biblical role in her relationship with a possible future husband. (Ephesians 5:33-6:3, 1 Peter 3:1-2)

...does not have a nagging, contentious or manipulative manner in which she deals with others. (Judges 16:16, Proverbs 21:9, 19, 26:21)

...is not boisterous or loud in her speech or actions but is characterized by a gentle and quiet spirit. (Proverbs 9:13, 1 Peter 3:4)


...uses her years of singleness to seek and serve God without distraction, and is content to leave the details of her future to Him. (Psalm 73:25, Philippians 4:11)

...does not relate to members of the opposite sex in a flirtatious or forward manner, but instead saves all her passion for her future husband. (Thessalonians 4:3-8, Proverbs 6:25, 1 Corinthians 7:1)

...holds her virginity before marriage sacred and will not compromise it for anything. (This one goes for guys too)
(1 Timothy 5:22)


(Check out the results of the modesty survey on that site.)

Philip, Heidi, and Maria, therebelution.com 28 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22462

[In response to a story about a "Free Hugs from Atheists" event being confronted by a preacher who refused to be hugged and condemned them all to Hell]

People should be uncomfortable. Morality doesn't exist without God. The value of human life becomes completely arbitrary. To an atheist there isn't much difference between hugging a person or strangling them to death. It's all about their own self interest.

[...]

My morality stems from the Creator. You're amoral behavior system is based on fear of punishment and pain. Nothing is immoral to the atheist if he doesn't get caught on the other hand I abide by morality as I am grateful to God for life and love all of God's creations.

[...]

Atheism is a belief system in its own right. Atheists did their best at wiping out other religions.

[...]

It is the atheist value system simply doesn't have any meaningful value of human life. It was their atheism that enabled these people to murder millions to achieve their goals.

[...Most of the people on Digg.com] are atheists until graduation. It's part of their manufactured teenage rebellion. Once they grow up, get into the real world, start families, they'll develop a more encompassing belief system than their egotistical, primitive atheism.

[...]

To an atheist killing is wrong only if they decide that so for the current moment.

[...]

Atheist "morality" is as completely arbitrary as deciding what tshirt to wear that day. Morality requires a subjective, outside observer. Atheists can only be amoral.

erikfm, Digg 53 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Gadren

Quote# 22460

(what about people who never heard of Jesus?)

You can't accept Him after you die because you're DEAD! Your actions and you heart will do the talking for you.
As far as everyone knowing about Christ~ There are these really neat inventions called TV and Radio! The Indians have them on their reservation along with their gambling casinos.

Every since person hears the truth before dying. They make the choice more than once.

Fire&Ice, Court TV Forums 25 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Ken Anderson

Quote# 22457

[compilation of three posts]

We were founded on a nation of being Christan. Not any other....their is only "ONE" GOD. Buddhists are idol worshipers.

See how much know about the Bible. Moses brought Gods 10 commandants for mankind to follow.Off the mountain in stone tablets. Not the first 10 Bill of Rights. Oh! yea your a atheist, have fun in the triblation. Next stop is HELL. This "IS" the end of the line and your stop.

GET SAVED

[...]

Answer "NO" to the above they are not freedom of religions.....only Christan nations are. If you go to any nation that is not...to practice the Christan you have to do it in secert...are risk be putting to death. Here in the US you can practice any faith you want. Just don't try to change our foundation this is "CHRISTAN".

EXCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR

[...]

Well you expect him ...you most likely want ever see him death will come apron 1/4 of the people on earth still here. After the church is removed.

They don't worship that fat, potbelly little statue? Looks like they do to me. I don't study false religions, no need to.

Ranger_b, Military.com 43 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 22456

I know this may sound a bit strange, but has anyone noticed that there has been a stagnation of sorts with regards to real breakthrough innovations in technology, medicine, etc. these days?

The technology for the things we have in our daily lives today was pretty much available to us or existed in some form 20-30-40 years ago.

I wonder what life would be like...I wonder what kind of technological and medical innovations we would have now if those aborted babies had been allowed to live?

BEST45CAL, FreeConservatives 55 Comments [3/24/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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