Quote# 40848

I don't oppose the laws of thermodynamics. In fact, they help me prove my point. Evolutionists say the world is getting better, we're evolving. The laws of thermodynamics say that everything progresses towards disorder. How surprising.

General_Specific, Taleworlds 36 Comments [6/13/2008 6:28:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Yoshiboy

Quote# 40802

Originally Posted by Gracchus:

You said, dad, that if God told you the Bible wasn’t true, you would deem him a liar and spit in his face!

Originally Posted by dad:

And kick his sorry uknowwhat to boot. Then, I'd get mean.

dad, Christian Forums 28 Comments [6/13/2008 6:27:03 AM]
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Quote# 40860

Perrin234, Sweden is more violent. The more anti-theist garbage we get the more violent it turns as well, Sweden used to be a great nation, now it's a crapper thanks to your swedish atheist friends. Anti-theists like sodomites know one thing and that is how to destroy nations.

blueblue1891, YouTube 32 Comments [6/13/2008 6:26:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen

Quote# 40847

The comet still lives!!! Ahem... anyway... I believe that the dinosaurs were on the ark. They took the small ones, and they grew, and maybe had babies, who knows, but I think that the climate change made the world unsuitable for them, and many species went extinct. I also believe that there are some dinosaurs alive today. Loch Ness OgoPogo (forgive the spelling), sightings in the Congo, there are hundreds of reports of dinosaur-like creatures every day. Just my opinion.

General_Specific, Taleworlds 34 Comments [6/13/2008 4:35:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Yoshiboy

Quote# 40867

"Sure, and let's talk about intelligent design. I'm a biology major. That's my degree. The reality is there are a lot of things that we don't understand. There's no theory in science that could explain how, contrary to the laws of entropy, you could create order out of chaos. There's no scientific theory that explains how you can create organic life out of inorganic matter. I think we owe it to our children to teach them the best possible modern scientific facts and theories. Teach them what different theories are out there for the things that aren't answerable by science, that aren't answered by science. Let them decide for themselves. I don't think we should be scared to do that. Personally, it certainly makes sense to me that when you look at creation, you would believe in a creator. Let's not be afraid to teach our kids the very best science."

Bobby Jindal (Candidate for Mccain's VP slot), Talk2action 50 Comments [6/13/2008 3:39:38 AM]
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Submitted By: sith_lord_don

Quote# 40849

As for the discussion of Jonah and the great fish (just a note: the Bible never said anything about it being a whale), have you ever heard those reports of fisherman falling off of a whaling vessel and being found still alive in the belly of a whale? Run a search on it, it's a rather interesting thing. I saw one article of the sort that said the man's skin was completely bleached after his time in the belly of the whale. There's one reason that the people of Nineveh would have listened to Jonah: He smelled of old fish and had pure white skin and hair. Now THAT would have been freakish.

As for the dinosaurs, I was just saying my opinion as to their existence. As to whether they exist nowadays or not has little bearing on my beliefs.

Anyway, I'd like to point something interesting out. Suppose that I am wrong (and I'm not), I haven't lost anything. If this were true, I'd just blink out of existence when I die, just like you would. No harm done. That isn't why I'm a Christian, but it's an interesting thought.

I see your post (rather, posts), Lep, and I still don't think too highly of evolution. How is it possible that this world just pieced itself together? Where did the laws come from? What created gravity? Why did evolution occur? How did the intermediate creatures (AKA, missing links, which will remain missing unless frauds are made) survive? Why is there water on this planet and not on others? Why is it the only planet in our solar system with a breathable atmosphere? The theory of evolution is what created the search for extra-terrestrial life. There is no proof of any existing, yet we look for it anyway. Why? Evolution. The real reason for the national debt. Yes, America, your money is being spent on operations like the one they're running on Mars. Interesting, they still haven't found life. We never will.

General_Specific, Taleworlds 43 Comments [6/13/2008 2:42:16 AM]
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Submitted By: Yoshiboy

Quote# 40874

[Fundie is aghast at the idea that preaching that sinners burn forever in a literal lake of fire isn't the best way to win sheep to the flock.]

I believe modern day preachers have been intimidated by the religious liberals and non-believers. Today, preaching about Hell is not cool... It's just not done... Makes you a Bible-thumper. Hellfire and brimstone sermons make you an "ineffective" fossil.

Somewhere church leaders became intimidated by the name-calling... And took the bait. They retooled the message to make it more palatable to the world... And they became Cool.

Malott, Malott 24 Comments [6/13/2008 2:12:00 AM]
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Quote# 40816

[Vatican says will excommunicate women priests]

Long ago when homo sapiens entered the lands inhabited by the neanderthals, they encountered a creature that was bigger, faster, stronger, and more intelligent. For the age, the neanderthal was also more technologically advanced. What we had that they lacked was 'gender specific labor specialization'. And so it was,, we won. And they are no longer here.

Catholics may be backward, but they refuse to take part in the neanderthalization of the first world. This verges on a crisis in Europes case as they now encounter a new migration of peoples into their lands. A people very determined, completely virile, and quintessentialy homo sapien.

dogs, FFI 45 Comments [6/13/2008 12:19:02 AM]
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Submitted By: ixolite

Quote# 40804

(Discussing the supposed great flood):

The corruption of animals was not sexual, at least in most cases. I could see how there may have been some monkey business there, just look at the chimps! As for all animals needing to be killed, I would say this, as my opinion. - They were made for man to start with, as was the universe, best I can tell. So, as man goes, so goes the animals, so to speak. If we needed to have a planet flooded to kill man, the animals also would have to die. Man's animals, then, had to go the way of man, except for the ones that could be saved. And, once again, it was on man's boat! The animals again were there for us, now, even to kill and eat as man needed. Animals should be happy they are of use. That being said, I will say I am all for the proper and kind treatment of all animals, and creatures of all sorts, as much as is possible. I hate the way, for example, personally, chickens are treated, often, in big barns, all quite unnatural. Etc.

dad, Christian Forums 20 Comments [6/13/2008 12:16:48 AM]
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Quote# 40838

From a previous thread

>>The laws of logic are based on reality. A spaniel is a dog. Dogs are not cats. Therefore a spaniel is not a cat.<<

His response

How do you know that a spaniel will not be a cat 5 seconds from now? How do you know that it won’t be a typewriter?

sye tenb, Ray Comfort 60 Comments [6/12/2008 11:41:07 PM]
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Quote# 40807

[On a article about a atheist billboard]

This article is so hypocritical since those holding to leftist ideology make up most of government, nearly all of the media, and a overwhelming majority of our public educational systems. Thus, our society produces people who are uneducated, ignorant of history, are easily deceived, and who are dependent of what others can provide them that they cannot do for themselves.

In the name of "religion" billions have been educated, wars were ceased or prevented entirely, and positive change has occurred. It is simply false to say otherwise. Even the propaganda about the Crusades and other presumptively religious wars are misleading. Lies and myths have become folklore, which has become accepted history. If one suggests otherwise, they just don't know of what they are speaking.

And, face it, these people who like to bash "organized religion" are really attempting to bash the religion of Christianity, first and foremost. While they try to pretend others it is really Jesus Christ they try to hate, refusing to accept Him as their Lord and Savior. Such foolishness has eternal consequences.

These people are not honest enough to proclaim their own religion of humanism or socialism or environmentalism or some other doctrine without real merit and void of any legitimate claims to having provided any benefit to the world. This is, of course, unlike Christianity, that has provided mankind with not only a path to eternity but solved many of the problems encountered throughout the human experience. For instance, almost ALL of the great scientists from EVERY corner of understanding have been Christian. Nearly all great humanitarians, with a few notable exceptions, have been Christian. Most inventions that brought about any positive change have been Christian. To attempt to proclaim that such a belief system as Christianity is not beneficial to our existence is not just boldly false, it's ludicrous!

Proverbs 14_6, DenverPost.com 35 Comments [6/12/2008 11:40:32 PM]
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Submitted By: Orlor

Quote# 40812

I've been pondering something lately. I am wondering if a Christian recieves a legal name change, which name will appear in Christ's Book of Life, and which will He call you by?

This question is confounding me, because I am considering a legal name change so that I can disassociate from my dad who was abusive when I was younger. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior, and I have no questions about my salvation, but my name was changed once before from my birth name by my dad, and I want to change it to something completely different that the one he gave me which wans't my birth name anyhow..

But which will appear in the Book of Life??!!

Not Perfect, But Forgiven, Rapture Ready 53 Comments [6/12/2008 10:53:35 PM]
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Submitted By: Khaine

Quote# 40853

The Atheistic Science Cult has many sects including Heavens Gate and the Raleans. The Heavens Gate sect was told by demons that were posing as aliens that the Atheistic Science Cult told them existed in the Public Schools, that if they took their own lives that they would be rescued from the destruction of the earth, which is nothing other than a counterfeit end of the age scenario. The Ralean sect was told by demons posing as aliens, which the Atheistic Science Cult taught them in the Public Schools existed that if they built a flying saucer shaped building in Jerusalem, Israel, then and only then would they be rescued by aliens circling the earth in a space ship.
Whether you believe me or not you are going to miss being saved from being sent to the Lake of fire by Jesus because of your misguided beliefs that were instilled in you by the worse of the best secular businessmen in America. Jesus loves you and died for you too. I hope you change your mind and I will see you in the new heaven and the new earth where we will return to enjoying living a sinless state through the Holy Spirit instead of living through the Devil via the awareness of good and evil in the lake of fire.
James D Albright

James D. Albright, Yahoo! Answers 43 Comments [6/12/2008 9:00:07 PM]
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Submitted By: jellobiafra79

Quote# 40854

[American Christians: would you guys freak out if ‘God’ was taken out of your pledge of allegiance?]

I would not "freak out". But that is definantly the way our founding fathers intended it to be, so that's what this nation should uphold.

born2bwild, Y!Answers Religion & Spirituality board 35 Comments [6/12/2008 8:51:44 PM]
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Quote# 40840

[Is there an effective way to reach Atheists?]

No offense but if they relied on logical thinking they would come to faith.

After all if one looks at existence and looks at all the "theories", the only one that makes sense is that we were created.

It's the emotionally hurt or damaged that seem to become athiests. At least this seems true to me.

I've dealt with a lot of athiests. They react emotionally rather then logically to things.

Inprayer, Rapture Ready (surprsed?) 36 Comments [6/12/2008 8:46:57 PM]
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Submitted By: Tom

Quote# 40845

Oh, I'm perfectly willing to fight for Creation against evolution any day. I know what evolution proposes. The big bang may not be a spontaneous explosion now, but it used to be. At first it was dust, now a singularity. At first a few millions of years, now several billion. And they basically believe that humans came from a bacteria. And I ask you, why don't we see evolution today? Oh, right, we're in the middle of one of those long periods of evolutionary rest again. *Sigh* I guess I'll never see evolution first hand. Say, how long is evolution planning to be on vacation, anyway? I want to see a dog with wings...

Oh, yeah, I've found the atheists bible! www.en.wikipedia.org

General_Specific, Taleworlds 52 Comments [6/12/2008 8:06:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Yoshiboy

Quote# 40792

Sorry to be very off topic but isn't homosexuals having sex the same as a brother or sister having sex? Now don't go buck wild crazy saying are you out of your mind. Think of it logically. Two people who shouldn't have sex, brother and sister do. Now has is that any different from two men having sex?

Diaforetikos, RMXP.org 57 Comments [6/12/2008 7:20:17 PM]
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Submitted By: Tina

Quote# 40809

Yes what are called dinosaurs did exist as bones reveal.
They were a part of the unclean dominance that ruled the preflood world as hinted at by Genesis.
i don't know if they should be called lizards at all as these reptile/mammal terms I find incomplete in classifying creatures.
Indeed its possible that dinos are just regular creatures with a few twists.
I know marsupials and placentals types are the same kinds as they look and marsupialism is a minor adaption to a area or some need.
So perhaps dinos are also just regular animals with some adaption.
Triceratops could be in the rhino kind and I know they say there were dinos very much like dogs. Of coarse the famous reptile-mammalish creatures even evolution talks about.
Don't premise animals on manmade classification models.

Robert Byers, CARM 34 Comments [6/12/2008 6:39:17 PM]
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Quote# 40830

[I know tons of Christians who never try to convert atheists to Christianity.]

Then either they don't <I>really</I> believe, or they just don't mind if you suffer in eternal hellfire and damnation.

SmartMuffin, GameFAQs Contests 31 Comments [6/12/2008 6:04:12 PM]
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Quote# 40811

So what you are saying is that out of disorder came order. And then order recognized that it came out of disorder. Instead of recognizing itself as a disordered-order; conveniently forgetting its origins and establishing a new foundation. If you've not redefined the laws of logic, at least you've redefined the second law of thermodynamics! Interesting :)

Emmanuel, New Scientist comments 28 Comments [6/12/2008 5:59:51 PM]
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Submitted By: SeenAndNotSeen

Quote# 40805

Originally Posted by MasterOfKrikkit:

The joy of dad hoc*: there's always an answer, no matter how absurd, convoluted, or just downright insulting.


[ 1) Unless animals have the capacity for right/wrong, sin, etc, how were they "vilely affected"? What human sin affected lemurs? How had humans corrupted giraffes?]


Look in the nearest bathroom. Toilet tissue has no capacity for right and wrong, but it gets vilely affected by man!

dad (again - I can't help it he's just too funny), Christian Forums 31 Comments [6/12/2008 3:39:40 PM]
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Quote# 40806

There is a Muslim extended family whom I love dearly...The primary focus for me is a woman whose initial is A...
She and her family are from Afghanistan and Pakistan. She had polio as a child and walks with a terrible limp, causing her lots of pain and back trouble. She has a precious young child who was born with Fragile X syndrome, retardation, autisitic-like and many, many physical problems. He is having surgery on his back (scoliosis) on June 3.

A Christian organization *rescued* them and brought them to America. They were outcasts in their countries because it was thought *allah* had cursed them with such bad fortune. Upon their arrival here, A's husband abandoned her, ran off with a "healthy" 15 yo girl, to have "healthy" children with. A is just devasted. And now she struggles with her problems and her son's problems alone.

I got to witness to A, told her about Jesus, His work on the cross, salvation through Him. I told her that her son would go to heaven with us, and doesn't she want to be there, too? She listened to me, at least. I felt from her that she can't speak of her allah like I can boast of our amazing True God. She makes comments about how allah is cruel...

I sent her a fantastic book written by an ex-Muslim who is now in ministry to Muslims. I sent her a beautiful, perfect card about Jesus loving children so much and He holds them when they are going through pain and we can't make it better for them. I also gave her more resources to check, the author's phone number and websites who minister to Muslims about Jesus.

iSong6:3, RaptureReady 47 Comments [6/12/2008 3:22:29 PM]
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Quote# 40834

Only ignorance asks, "what evidence proves God's existence?" am i wrong?
What about a mothers love? What about when I prayed for a lady that had almost crippling arthritis for over ten years instantly got well and has had no pain over a month now??? What about blind receiving sight after prayer to JESUS?

Jesus said, "unless you see signs and wonders you shall by no means believe."
I see why there are so many you chose not to believe. The "church" is not what it claims to be.
Jesus said, "these signs shall follow them that believe."
Where are the signs? There here.
The media wont touch it when it comes. Why not? Hmmm.
I've healed the sick. You cant sway my belief.

Ask the source. God. Jesus. The Holy Spirit.
Or choose not to.
Ignorance is insanity.

Will the true body of Christ please stand up?

heirtothethrone, Yahoo! Answers 41 Comments [6/12/2008 3:20:38 PM]
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Submitted By: tawaen

Quote# 40787

I'm pro-life, you being pro-death. I respect women's rights as much as anyone.

I'm a Catholic, anti-death penalty, anti-war conservative republican. I don't think vegetarianism has anything to do with anything, although I don't eat red meat.

I urge you and all other pro-deathers to seek professional help on your tendency to lean towards murder of little babies. It is kind of sick in a very morbid way.

AaronK, city-data.com 37 Comments [6/12/2008 3:18:51 PM]
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Quote# 40793

(Another rapture thread, this one has a bunch of folks talking about how they have no motivation because of the rapture being "just around the corner"):

I hear you on this. I have to constantly fight the feelings of "what is the use". Its like we have diagnosis of a fatal incurable disease and we have only so long to live.

hoagster7, RaptureReady 49 Comments [6/12/2008 2:19:36 PM]
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