Quote# 40437

Why Biblical rape law is just and good


A lot of you have mentioned the Biblical rape law as a reason not to believe Christianity, or a reason not to take the Bible seriously. Here is my rationale for why the Biblical rape law makes sense.

Deuteronomy 22:25: "But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die."
Deuteronomy 22:28: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

We need to start with the proposition that modern rape laws in the United States are broken. Most rapes and sexual assaults are unreported. Only 10-20% of defendants are convicted. The average sentence for those convicted is 3-5 years. Review of DNA evidence shows that ONE THIRD of men convicted of rape are wrongfully accused. The reasons for false accusations should be fairly obvious. Moreover, the nature of the crime means that witnesses and evidence make it naturally hard, if not impossible, for fact-finders to make accurate determinations in all but rare or violent instances of rape. One also needs to start with the proposition that the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for rape. I have absolutely no problem with the death penalty for forcible rape. This one squares with my reason and sense of justice. Rape ruins a person's life, so the rapist's live should be ruined in return. One must also recognize that the law DOES NOT REQUIRE THE PARTIES TO COHABITATE. The woman would be free to live where ever she wants, mostly likely with her father. The law would then have the effect of making the rapist a virtual eunuch, ON PENALTY OF DEATH. Since he would be legally married, if he ever had sex with another woman for the rest of his life, he would be executed for adultery. It gets worse for the alleged rapist of the single woman. If that single woman decided not to cohabitate with him, that would be sending a VERY clear signal to the community that she was the injured party. So her father, her brothers, and other interested men in the community, such as myself, would forthwith go and beat the snot out of the rapist, and they would enjoy the exercise. If the rapist managed to survive or elude them, he would be forced to flee to one of the cities of refuge set up in the Law and be exiled for the rest of his life. If he owned real and personal property, I'm sure the city authorities would find a way for the victim’s family to buy the property at reduced or no price. Beating, exile, and forfeiture would be significant punishments.

I believe this mandatory marriage law would be a VERY significant deterrence. In fact, it would be so significant that if implemented in the United States, a single instance of rape would be so rare and so shocking that it would make national news. So would the law make sense, even though a few single women annually would be on the wrong end of the stick? Yes, absolutely. Preventing 10-20 women in the United States annually from getting married in a nation of 300,000,000 is unquestionably better than having 1/4 women be sexually assaulted at some point in their life, as is the case now.

Of the 31102 verses in the Bible, I'm down to only two verses that I have trouble with. The Biblical rape law troubled me for 15 years, but it troubles me no longer.

True Blue, Christian Forums 69 Comments [6/5/2008 6:52:39 AM]
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Submitted By: JustinGG

Quote# 40418

Many of you heard about and/or prayed for the victims of the recent massive tornado that hit Windsor, Colorado and surrounding farmland. For that, I personally want to thank you--although we live far enough from it not to have been hit by it, we have friends there.

That said, I'd like you to hear a short story told at church on Sunday. A lady said her daughter was at a public restroom (not sure if it was a gas station or restaurant) and there was a lady in there that seemed a little distraught. The daughter went about her business, but thought that lady was acting a little strange. As the daughter was washing her hands and getting ready to leave the restroom, the lady suddenly blurted out, "Are you a Christian?" The daughter replied, "Yes I am!" The lady sighed loudly and said, "How do I become one?!?!" I'm not sure if she lost her home or went through the tornado, but it scared her bad enough to search out someone that could lead her to Christ. Right there in that bathroom, she accepted Jesus as her Savior!

Legacy, RR 39 Comments [6/5/2008 4:57:49 AM]
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Quote# 40430

"Buddhists burned themselves alive, martyring themselves. Does that make buddhism true as well?"

Nope, they kill themselves just like atheists kill themselves by suicide and euthanasia. Christians don't kill themselves, they are killed by atheists and wicked people, tortured and fed to lions for standing out to the truth.

jobowtackmaster, Evolution vs. Crattionism: Listen to the Scientists 48 Comments [6/5/2008 4:21:15 AM]
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Submitted By: CLR3

Quote# 40428

Yes REbecca --some of us were called to be watchmen--I was called and woke up to this in 2005 when God took me to Israel unexpectedly.
Its a frustrating job and a lot will not listen. We are fighting doctrines of demons too ie. emergent church dogma.

Its strange as i notice the church is being pulled into two camps: laodicea and Philadelphia . Those witha passion for scripture and a love for Christ are also more and more being called to lov eht Jews and serve them. I have even woken up to casting off Christian-pagan holidays and going back to celebrate the LORD's Feasts that pointed to and are completed in Jesus Christ. Easter was separated from passover because of growing anti semitism in the church but we should celebrate the feasts on the "proper" days as they are appointments made by God.

Ever since i was saved at the age of 7 I have run to my window on special mornings when the sun pours in and I have said to Jesus "Are You coming for me today?'' I hope He has remembered this childish faith and kept me for the day of the rapture like He did with Simeon in the Temple waiting for Messiah as he too was a watchman watching through faith in the Word.

wendyj, RaptureReady 35 Comments [6/5/2008 3:34:47 AM]
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Quote# 40408

Fundie 1: Hence the saying "a little knowledge leads one away from God and a lot of knowledge leads one to God]

I got in trouble for the same thing! What can go bang without a fuel and heat source?

Fundie 2: And IMO bangs destroy and kill, never seen explosions create anything other than destruction.

Buck shot and Rebel777, Bible Forum 35 Comments [6/5/2008 3:20:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 40353

[on the Colorado bill concerning access to public accommodations]

Actually, we're getting to these restrooms because of the family restrooms. All this stuff gets past us one step at a time. They sell it to us in ways we will buy, and it always sounds good at first. But, c'mon, this agenda follows a pretty predictible set of steps towards setting our kids up.

When those family bathrooms popped up at a mall near all of us, some did warn that they were a stepping stone to this, because they helped to blur the line. Bathrooms should be confined to one sex. This is how we get trouble. Opposite sex people in the same restrooms.....what?.....oh, but it's for families.....how nice.? Well, no one was ever enforcing that! It's a free for all, under the ironice label of "family." How they must be howling with evil glee.

Kids love new things so they go in those so-called family bathrooms while shopping with friends at the mall.....teen girls can go in there and so can boys.....anyone can be in there.....it isn't just daddies changing diapers or helping little girls use the restroom. No one stops lone male predators from entering that bathroom, either. Welcome to the jungle. Now they can just take away the "family" pretense and say both it's a "multi" gender restroom. How sad that we have more than two genders, huh?

Lord, come quickly!

Kyrie Eleison, Rapture Ready 54 Comments [6/4/2008 11:32:47 PM]
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Quote# 40421

[How did Jesus pay for taking other people's livestock, e.g. Matthew 8:28-34?]

how do people think up such crazy things!!!???? That wasn't exactly that important to record, and as for the herd of swine, who would want them with a legions of demons in them Jesus didn't send the swine over the cliff anyway!! THEY ran off of it. sometime it seams the pigs have more since that humans

jesusgirl, Yahoo answers 33 Comments [6/4/2008 10:20:43 PM]
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Quote# 40364

we need a God because the mathematical harmony of the universe suggests that there is a high probability that a divine being exists. Why do the physical laws behave in perfect symmetry and mathematical harmony? How could Einstein explain events millions of light years away by writing down equations sitting in his room? Do you know that the universe would not exist if the charge on an electron was different by 1 billionth of coloumb? Do you know that the probability of the universe taking its current shape, which follows symmetry and a mathematical 'symphony' is 10^(-50)?

Is this definite proof that God exists? No. But anyone with common sense would realize that chances are that material reality is subset of a larger divine existence.

Not believing in God is like breaking a triangle of cue balls on a pool table, watching them bounce of the rails and come back to form the exact same triangle and say: thats nothing special...

sakhan, GotFrag 52 Comments [6/4/2008 9:07:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Qubit

Quote# 40414

I am sorry, but I just can't see how anyone can justify listening to music that doesn't glorify God. If it doesn't glorify God, then obviously, its glorifying the Prince of Darkness. Why fill your mind with that type of blasphemous music?

bride_of_christ, Rapture Ready 81 Comments [6/4/2008 9:03:38 PM]
Fundie Index: 7

Quote# 40419

Buddha is a disgusting human being. Atheists like to claim that they have no god, but this is not true - Buddha is their god, and atheism is simply another form of Buddhism. Buddha is the founder of atheism. Buddha was the first major religious thinker to found a religion or system of belief on the concept of atheism. He rejected every concept of god and instead taught a humanistic doctrine of "right living." However, we know that the Buddha's life was anything BUT right. For one thing, Buddha abandoned his wife and child so that he could go sit under a tree and think about the meaning of life. It's funny that you never hear about Mrs. Buddha and Baby Buddha in secular history books; the atheists do not want the crass lifestyle of their founder to be exposed to public scrutiny. The Buddha was also dishonest. He was a notorious freeloader. He would wander around India in a loincloth and beg from town to town to avoid doing a hard day's work. We know that Jesus was a hard working man. He grew up as a carpenter, and he could swing a hammer like nobody's business. The Buddha died a shameful death. No noble sacrifice, no famous last words, and certainly no resurrection. He just choked to death on some rotten pork. What kind of a role model is that?

Buddha spent his life contemplating the nature of suffering and thought he was pretty clever for doing this. But you know what? God was even more clever than Buddha was. When Buddha died, he came before the Great White Throne and was judged for his sins. He was asked why he rejected Christ, and when he could provide no answer, Jesus escorted Buddha to the brink of the Lake of Fire and threw him in. Buddha liked contemplating the nature of suffering, so Jesus gave him an eternity in the firey pits of hell to contemplate his favorite subject - suffering. Buddha did not escape from suffering; instead, suffering is all he knows, as the flames lap at his soul and burn him endlessly like a dry, cracked leaf caught in a forest fire. The Buddha is crying for mercy right now, but he will receive NONE. He rejected God, so God rejected him. Buddha's pain will never end, and his philosophy of "right living" will not help him escape the flames of hell.

Atheists, if you don't recognize the error of your thinking and turn to Christ from salvation, you will spend eternity with your god, Buddha. That is not a place you want to be.

MessianicServant, FSTDT comments 178 Comments [6/4/2008 9:02:54 PM]
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Submitted By: Brian X

Quote# 40384

Another thought ... the people of Iraq, are HAPPY Sadaam Insane is gone. They appreciate what we did - the majority of them. They have experienced their own religion turned against them through Sadaam Insane. I think they maybe very receptive to a kinder, gentler and more human religion that has love - not violence and hatred. We see these people very differently as well as what our priorities should be. It's okay. I'm not better than you ... we simply disagree on these issues.

felixthecat, RaptureReady 36 Comments [6/4/2008 9:02:14 PM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 40420

No one has ever seen dust accumulate into solids like stars or planets and Boyle's gas laws clearly show it cannot happen.

Kent Hovind, kent-hovind.com 55 Comments [6/4/2008 8:46:33 PM]
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Quote# 40403

A "Christian Guide 2 Games" Review of Katamari Damacy causes irony meters across the planet to explode:

Obviously, the Katamari games require that you suspend reality and go with the absurd fantasy premise that the galaxy is run not by God, but by a King of All Cosmos in stretchy pants."

Phil Rownd (boyward), ChristianAnswers.net Guide 2 Games 53 Comments [6/4/2008 8:46:18 PM]
Fundie Index: 3
Submitted By: Max

Quote# 40397

I totally understand how you are feeling. I am a public school teacher and believe it or not, the most job satisfaction I have is when I can sneak in that I am a christian to them(the kids, middle school). There is very little self motivation/wanting to learn among many of them. I have applied for another position and hope to get it (Lord willing). Otherwise, I do not see how I am being effective...21 yrs of teaching! I do not think I make a difference with my students anymore.

PWOODS, Rapture Ready 43 Comments [6/4/2008 8:43:59 PM]
Fundie Index: 1
Submitted By: Wilhelm

Quote# 40361

Abiogenesis doesnt prove anything besides that something within our matter can create life from non-life which is again a theistic argument.

MICHAEL_MYERS, GotFrag 20 Comments [6/4/2008 7:17:36 PM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: Qubit

Quote# 40406

Murder and genocide is the elimination of innocent individuals. The ppl. of the flood were not innocent. They were wicked individuals who didn't deserve to keep on living. The world is made for ppl. who act righteously. If it happens that the vast majority of ppl. have forsaken this responsibility then the world no longer needs them. The world is precisely for ppl. who act appropriately and if that means most ppl. have to be killed off since they don't fulfill the world's purpose and only a few remain, so be it.

svurocks, imdb.com religion and philosophy boards 39 Comments [6/4/2008 7:14:04 PM]
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Submitted By: acureforgravity

Quote# 40401

[In response to "Why pray?"]

1) God may base his decision on what is prayed. Note the story of Moses and the Golden Calf; God was going to destroy the Israelites until Moses begged God to spare them.

2) Prayer doesn't change God; he's immovable. Prayer changes you.

Crimson Hellkite, GameFAQs 36 Comments [6/4/2008 5:57:52 PM]
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Submitted By: Bill O'Rly

Quote# 40399

I wouldn't feel safe if a man could come in there, and forget letting your daughters go to the restroom alone when you are sitting 20 feet away at a restaurant. I don't want to sound alarmist, but it's bad enough women can't let their little boys go into a men's room until they are as tall as them practically due to safety issues. I also can't imagine changing a babies diaper while some guy is at a urinal....dressed like a woman!

WordyTrees, Rapture Ready 45 Comments [6/4/2008 4:23:30 PM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Wilhelm

Quote# 40405

*Nominee - Lying for Jesus*

(From Citizen Link, a Focus on the Family's site)

A Tennessee court has refused to cave in to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which sought to ban religious expression at a Nashville public school.

“The court acknowledged that Christians cannot be discriminated against for their beliefs, and that personal prayer, mentions of God and Christmas references are constitutionally appropriate in school,” ADF Senior Counsel Nate Kellum said. “The ACLU hoped to wipe out every reference to God.”

(From the PDF of the actual Court ruling provided by the ACLU)

(C)ertain practices at Lakeview Elementary School...did not have a secular purpose and were allowed or pursued to tacitly approve the activities of the Praying Parents, which had the primary effect of endorsing or promoting their Christian beliefs and programs at the school.[] Therefore...the Court finds in favor of the Does and against all Defendants except the Board itself.

Nate Kellum, CitizenLink 21 Comments [6/4/2008 4:23:28 PM]
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Submitted By: Maleficent

Quote# 40404

Recently, [my 15 year old son]had asked me to get him some books at the library to read and so I did. About a week later I was going back to the library to return some books of my own and he came out to the car with the books that I had checked out for him. I said "Why are you returning them? You couldn't have finished them in such a short time" He said "Mom, I don't have time to read these books. I'm so excited about the Bible and what I'm learning, I just want to read the scriptures." We got in the car and drove to the library.

I am so excited! It was music to my ears. This is what it's all about. To have your child desire the word of God and tell you that of all the books in the world, the Bible is the most important and exciting book of all.

hadessa, Good ol' Rapture Ready 48 Comments [6/4/2008 4:16:53 PM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Leth

Quote# 40377

[Parents for Truth, a new fundie abstinence-only education group, plans to 'fight' comprehensive sex education.]

Devon Williams:
"The National Abstinence Education Association (NAEA) has launched a national campaign to educate parents about the harmful information their children are often exposed to in so-called “comprehensive” sex-education classes at school.

Parents for Truth will equip parents to fight "comprehensive" sex ed in their children’s schools and promote abstinence-focused sex education."


Valerie Huber:
"'Comprehensive' sex education is often very graphic and explicit,” ... “It is not age-appropriate, and it actually encourages sexual activities that put teens at risk for not only disease, but a host of other consequences."

Devon Williams / Valerie Huber, Citizenlink.org (Focus on the Family) 46 Comments [6/4/2008 4:01:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Captain Janeway

Quote# 40415

Originally Posted by Dora
Now, how about a straight answer, instead of a question:

What should happen if a woman is pregnant, and her dr finds she has cancer and needs immediate treatment to save her life. That treatment is deadly to a fetus. Should the mother do without treatment, have the baby & die - or should she abort her baby, have treatment and live?

Xenosapien Response:
ANSWER FOR THE XENOSAPIEN IMPAIRED: If the woman has cancer that will kill her in nine months, she would have been diagnosed WELL before a pregnancy, as any cancer WILL NOT KILL A HUMAN IN THE SPAN OF NINE MONTHS. Hence, the woman should have KNOWN, hence should have kept HER pants on.

XenoSapien, Hardcore Politics 55 Comments [6/4/2008 3:56:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Elli

Quote# 40367

You all are seriously lost and I hope you can see the light before it is too late. Read the book of Revelation in the Bible. Just read it, most of the people on here have no sense of what believing in a higher power means. Jesus died so you all could live. As much as I get flamed for that, its the truth and those who don't see it will truly suffer in the end. I beg you to see reason that this world did not come about because of "The Big Bang" or some other retarded scientific reasoning that the world wants you to believe. The truth is God created this world and everything in it. To praise him for that is the least we could do. When the rapture happens you all will certainly think differently. Thanks for reading.

carnageface, GotFrag 31 Comments [6/4/2008 1:08:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Qubit

Quote# 40413

If you look closely at Darwin's scale you can see that it is progressive with man becoming larger and smarter. Now intelligence is not a factor in Evolution? Some are claiming that the brains of animals are complex, but yet they lack intelligence. How can animals evolve but yet remain at the current level of brain complexity after millions of years of evolution? If human like creatures were in existence for millions of years why is there only 6 billion people on earth I mean there should be about a trillion or more people on earth why so little after so many years of existence?

Also why are people still claiming close similarity with apes when Science has already admitted that recent tests disproved this theory?

animals and human are made of the dust of the earth, proof? this is exactly what we turn into when both die. We both consume the same things that come forth from the same earth which we both share, should we not be similer? Similarity does not prove evolution but in fact proves biblical creation when it states that man, animal, and plants came out of the dust of the earth.

sugarhitman, IIDB 32 Comments [6/4/2008 1:07:22 PM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 40345

It took me years to figure this out: Why is the penis like the snake and its seed lunar white and alkaline which are all feminine attributes while the female vulva is volcanic, red and acidic which are masculine attributes?

Sex is the unification of the male and female by intimate climatic energy reversal.

This is the mystical connection principle Carl Jung called synchronicity which is of course the true explanation of evolution:

willyhoops, RichardDawkins.net 87 Comments [6/4/2008 1:07:02 PM]
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Submitted By: Tzelemel