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Quote# 43830

On Sunday, Jim Adkisson entered the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee and opened fire killing two people and injuring seven more who were watching a children's production of Annie. A report from the Knoxville News Sentinel states that when police entered Jim Adkisson's home they found books by Michael Savage, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly.

"Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly."
h/t to CM

The article goes on to explain Adkisson's motivation for the attack which he revealed to Steve Sills, a Knoxville Police Officer.

"Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets."

Jim Adkisson (Church Shooter), News Hounds 34 Comments [7/30/2008 1:19:54 AM]
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Submitted By: ninjacat11

Quote# 43811

I think the problem with the "all innocent babies and children go to heaven" is that people tend to look at babies and children who die as eternally being babies or children. Actually, it's only the physical body that goes through "ages;" the spirit simply "is" - it doesn't change. So, a person who dies - regardless of age - has a spirit that is at the peak of perfection and ageless. There aren't "baby" spirits or "child" spirits.

Nowhere in the Bible have I ever read of a so-called "age of accountability;" the only place I ever heard that so-called "doctrine" from was the RCC - the same place that gave us the "doctrines" of Papal infallability and the Assumption. {eye-rolling smiley}

To say ALL babies who die go to Heaven presents some problems:

Would Saddam or Hitler, for example, have gone to Heaven if they had died as infants? Or someone who would have grown up to become an unrepentant murderer or pediophile? I don't think so! As Psalm 58:3 says, "The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies."

What about free will? God values our free will so much, that He gives us the CHOICE to reject Him, and then spend eternity in hell if that's what we prefer - even though our doing so would break His heart. To say a baby or child who dies before a certain age will automatically go to Heaven is stripping him of his free will, and I don't believe God can/would do that. [...]

If ALL babies who died got a free ticket to Heaven, that would make abortion a great blessing, instead of the curse that it is! Just think - a way to GUARANTEE your child will go to Heaven, whether he chooses to accept the Lord or not! Why take chances?

So, what's the answer? From a Biblical point, "Will not the Lord God do what is right?" I guess it's just a matter of trusting Him and His perfect justice.

The best explanation I ever heard was along these lines: God is able to look into the future and see what would have been had the child not died; He knows if that child would have chosen or rejected Him, and will base His judgement on that. It's not "predestination" in a Calvinist sense; it's foreknowledge. To me, that's the only kind of thinking that makes sense.

abidinginvine, RR 51 Comments [7/30/2008 12:48:07 AM]
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Quote# 43843

(Submitter's note: This is Birmingham, England as opposed to Birmingham, Alabama - although you'd be forgiven for thinking it's the latter!)

A city council has blocked its staff from looking at websites about atheism.

Lawyers at the National Secular Society said the move by Birmingham City Council was "discriminatory" and they would consider legal action.

The rules also ban sites that promote witchcraft, the paranormal, sexual deviancy and criminal activity.

The authority's Bluecoat Software computer system allows staff to look at websites relating to Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and other religions but blocks sites to do with "witchcraft or Satanism" and "occult practices, atheistic views, voodoo rituals or any other form of mysticism".

Birmingham City Council, BBC News 46 Comments [7/30/2008 12:46:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Doctor Fishcake

Quote# 43825

Has anyone else seen the website called Fundies Say the Darndest Things. It is disgraceful.
These people take posts off of Rapture Ready and numerous other Christian websites and put them on this site, so that they can be held up to ridicule.

First off, I don't know about law in regards to the internet, but is that even legal?

Secondly, it hurts to read the comments that these people make about stuff that we discuss very sincerely here. When I saw it, I was very grieved.

Let's pray for these misguided souls, that the Holy Spirit will work in them to bring them to Christ, before it is too late. It is terrible to see them so lost, and they all seem to be so full of hate, I just wish that would come to be full of Jesus' love.

Rschmidt711, Rapture Ready 128 Comments [7/30/2008 12:42:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Zephyr

Quote# 43819

(Thread: What would you like to be during the Millennium?)

I would also like to learn how to play the electric guitar better. I have played classical as a child and play a bass and sing now in our praise band at church. I never was able to learn the style of music I really love though and would love to just play for Jesus, just instrumentals to Him. Ohhhh, and I love white bangle tigers too, I want a couple of them roaming around the yard (or in my mansion, is shedding part of the curse that's lifted??? ha ha ha!). I want star gazer lilies and other sweet smelling flowers planted around like gardenias!!! Ooooo, and I want to host parties and feasts where I have just tables and tables of awsome food for everybody. oh oh oh, and I want a lake nearby so that I can walk along the floor of it and watch all the fish swim by me.... I will need a few dolphins too please.... Has anybody thought about what an awsome wardrobe Jesus will have for all of us??? No hand me downs!!!! No worn out clothes for the bride of Christ! We are royalty! Everything that belongs to Jesus, belongs to us!!! We (no pride here) will be decked OUT! We will actually be able to handle the position and blessing then, no flesh to contend with. Man, I CAN'T WAIT!!!! My heart is already there!!! I want to see Jesus and be with Him forever. That alone would fill me to overflowing for eternity, but we are so gonna party too! What a celebration!

OnlyJesusSaves, RaptureReady 74 Comments [7/30/2008 12:39:17 AM]
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Quote# 43834

[A 'fossil footprint' found by Alvis Delk, and sold to the Creation museum. Apparently, dinosaur feet looked like something a five year old would draw, humans had drills on the bottom of their big toes, and ancient footprints didn't distort when stepped on]

Alvis Delk, Mineral Wells Index 55 Comments [7/29/2008 10:51:49 PM]
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Submitted By: LordJiro

Quote# 43833

66. RE: World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'
how are putting all these facts out there that aren't true. As if someone was there 4.5 billion years ago when the Big Bang happened. You guys believe we came from a rock and yet you say that people believe in a god that they do not know exsists. You beleive the that great great great great grandpa was soup that came alive. Take away billions of years and your theory looks very stupid

Poster 67, Popular Mechanics 34 Comments [7/29/2008 10:32:11 PM]
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Quote# 43793

another fancy idea dressed up and taught as though it were true is
the rhetorical nonsense called Black Holes in space. along with all
the other nonsensical rhetorical jibberish such as the Big Bang theory
and Evolution, the so called Black Holes in space are nothing more
than artist rendering's of nothing tangible... yet another cartoon.

it's more of a cartoon show than the depiction of anything real.

Black Holes simply do not exist. they are real only in the minds of
Evolutionists, Gnostic's, Agnostic's, God haters and the like, much as
aliens and life on other planets exist only in the minds of such
self-deluded types.

the best proof is no proof for these folks. not able to discern
good from evil, these by their nature of being, prefer fiction to
fact, lies to truth, darkness to light.

it's amazing that their ' science ' is built on cartoons gladly
accepted as true while they, at the same time, make confident
statement's about the impossibility of the existence of God. they
find it a truth that being's from other galaxies could exist but God
can't exist... they have the rhetorical proof of the one and call it
true, and the actual proof of the other and call it false.


yet, this total inability to discern right from wrong evidences a
truth in itself... there is no salvation in them... they've been
passed by and left to themselves since not all shall be saved.
( Joh. 3:16-20 )

charmed by the things of this world, they are left to feed from the
trough of self-delusion believing nothing real ( Eph. 2:1-3. ) thing's
such as Evolution, the Big Bang and Black Holes in space.

old man joe, alt.talk.creationism 51 Comments [7/29/2008 7:19:02 PM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: TheOutsider

Quote# 43816

(An Amazon customer review of Expelled)

This film can be an eye-opener to anyone that has bought into the "Evolution is a proven fact" nonsense hyped by those that dedicate themselves to protecting their turf rather than actually seeking the truth. Evolution, in the TRUE meaning of the word IS a proven fact, of course, but the Darwinians always use this statement when speaking of COMMON DESCENT, which is nothing but speculation.
The well established connections of Darwin's ideas to both Eugenics and Nazism is revealed for the first time in a popular format that can cause the general public to see the causitive relationship between this false philosophy and some of the truly evil results of it.
Congratulations, Ben! You did a GREAT job.
Buy this movie!
Show it to your kids!
Show it to your friends!
Give it as CHRISTMAS presents!
This is one of the most important films ever produced.

Terry J. Trainor "Bible Thumper", Amazon.com 36 Comments [7/29/2008 7:18:02 PM]
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Quote# 43824

The Ascent of man is ancient...

Alpha, Adam, an eponym for the whole species or developmental series of linkages from Ramaphitecus Man until Jesus, the completed Adam, the Omega
Homoousian sapiens
(1) Seth, (Australopithecus anamensis)
(2) Enos, (Australopithecus africanus)
(3) Cainan, (Australopithecus aethiopicus)
(4) Mahalaleel, (Australopithecus garhi)
(5) Jared, (a species concurrent with Homo rudolfensis)
(6) Enoch, (Homo habilis, walked with God towards the final evolution of Homoiousian man)
(7) Methuselah, (Modern Homo erectus: China, SE Asia H. Erectus)
(8) Lamech, (Homo antecessor)
(9) Noah, (a type of Homo sapiens’ forebearer)
(10) Shem, (Mongolian)
(11) Ham, (Negroid)
(12) Japheth, (Caucasian)

dave, MySpace 52 Comments [7/29/2008 7:17:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Haole Mahu Kane

Quote# 43805

(referring to the recent Unitarian church shooting)

This has Satan writen all over it.

Now he needs to seperate the true Churches from the False ones. He will try to make the True Churches look like fanatics and hateful and the False Churches look like the ones to be in because they love everyone.

Satan will use the media.

Now the media is going to use this shooting by some crazy guy to show that Christians that don't agree with homosexuals are hateful and fanatical but a (False)Church that agrees with the homosexuality is OK and being targeted by the fanatics.

Slappi, Rapture Ready 25 Comments [7/29/2008 6:31:04 PM]
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Quote# 43826

skeleton christ wrote:
"Here's why atheists are angry:
1) People think we're not true Americans even if we've lived in America all our lives.
2) State contitutions dicriminate against us.
3) People(Chisstians mostly) Keep telling us we're going to hell or trying to convert us
4) We have to listen to religious zealots push their religion on us, and when we say something back they say that we're opprssing them and disrespecting their beliefs.
If that doesn't make someone angry, I don't know what will."

Well, well, well!
Welcome to the United States of America,
a Representative Republic founded on Christian Principles.
In God we trust, God Bless America, one Nation under God.

You always have the option of relocating to an atheist state, North Korea for example.
I'm sure that would do wonders for your anger about not fitting in.

Idi O Syncrasy, topix.com 42 Comments [7/29/2008 6:24:58 PM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 43810

[Spectersparten explodes on Atheism]

(((WARNING: If you have an irony meter, you might want to shut it off and move it far away from your pc as far as you can)))

Atheism has brought about many evils such as communism and marxism. Has inspired a generation to believe they are worthles, denies a purpose in life, evolution, which does not exist outside of micro evolution, has offered nothing to the scientific community, has told more lies in schools, has brainwashed children, promotes lawlesness since there is no judge to hold them accountable and no purpose of which to care about and has brought about many evils.

If you try to bring up the salem witch trials, the inquisition, the crusades, and the mistreatment of natives, I ask you to point those things outi n scripture. Because if it is not in scripture, then it is not Christian. And remember, we follow the law of love which fulfills all the laws of Moses, that and putting God above all else.

Spectersparten, Youtube Comments 38 Comments [7/29/2008 5:06:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Malkavian Jeff

Quote# 43812

[re: a baptism that included a reference to the "Creator Spirit" and the washing away of sins by blessed water instead of the blood of Jesus]

That poor boy did not get a proper baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Why do people have to add mumbo jumbo to things?

OnTheHorizon, RR 30 Comments [7/29/2008 4:03:04 PM]
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Quote# 43775

Pleasure is good! But people twist it, and it becomes selfish. Like sex with multiple partners, that is not what God designed sex for, and if you try it, you will see that is not the way it should be. God's rules are to protect!

Many amputees have been healed by miracles, and that is true, and a valid point you have made!

guitar_dan, Psychology on LiveJournal 56 Comments [7/29/2008 4:02:33 PM]
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Quote# 43818

[In response to Americans United's efforts to end Fort Leonard Wood's policy of giving Army recruits a day off base during basic training, if (and ONLY if) they attend a proselytizing, fire and brimstone, Baptist sermon.]

This is just an example of another way we are losing our freedoms. If we sit around and let this tiny group of people dictate how we live our lives and how we help others, where will it stop?

Also, if there is no God, why do these people care so much about stopping this program? Why are they so WORRIED about it if He does't exist? Hmmmm.

fightforfreedom, Daily Guide 42 Comments [7/29/2008 3:00:24 PM]
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Quote# 43809

One of my favorite former students is peaceful, calm and generous. He started a chapter of Food, Not Bombs in this area as a high school sophomore. He is an amazing young man. Unfortunately, he is on my prayer list as one of the lost. His girlfriend was Wiccan (still is, but no longer his girlfriend), and he began to listen to her anti-Christian propaganda. I fear for his soul. I pray for him a lot.

He says he used to be a strong believer, and it's not that he doesn't believe in Jesus, he just wants to be tolerant. I'm terrified he won't be in the Rapture. I'm praying the Holy Spirit will bring him to God.

BlessedAssurance, RaptureReady 57 Comments [7/29/2008 12:42:44 PM]
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Submitted By: FundieFinder

Quote# 43801

[...] The Roman religion is an apostate in which I believe God will destroy her in due time...I can't wait!

ValleyGem, CARM.org 33 Comments [7/29/2008 12:38:51 PM]
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Quote# 43794

One question.
Why is it a gay female is never attractive to a gay male
and a gay male is never attractive to a gay female?

Can anybody answer this?

Yes it's wrong any way you look at.

Study, Christian BBS 135 Comments [7/29/2008 11:35:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Brainy

Quote# 43806

[In a discussion about a World Net Daily article reporting on McDonald's having a member of their company on the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce board of directors.]

Oh, I see now. McDonalds supports an orgainization with the specific mission to promote the economic growth and prosperity for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people. Does McDonalds happen to support any organizations with the specific mission to promote the economic growth and prosperity for white male heterosexuals who are Christian? You know ... there is a great deal of economic pain in the WMHC community today ... and a great deal of discrimination against WMHC’s too.

drulek, Digg 41 Comments [7/29/2008 11:26:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Ashfish

Quote# 43808

[Take a bunch of creationists, and put them in a rigorous science education program involving their doing actual experiments, both in the lab and in the field.

I don't know if it would ever have the popular appeal to take off, but I certainly would find it entertaining. What does everyone else here think?]

To make it exciting for TV, it needs some more drama, you know, some danger. So here's my idea: You get a rope and dangle some atheists over a pit of starving lions. You start slowing lowering them into the pit, and tell them you'll stop lowering as soon as they can explain how something can come from nothing.

Chesterton, Christian Forums 41 Comments [7/29/2008 11:22:46 AM]
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Quote# 43823

While I am broken hearted for the loss of life and the injured of the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, At the same time I am broken hearted for the children of this age. As marriage is one man, one woman, husband and wife, father and mother, coming toghether as one, to produce children the family, from generation to generation. When we as a soceity, as a people have to start educating children into all types of sexual practices, at any age, with anyone whom cares express their idea of what sex is and marriage, our soceity is doomed. Natural and normal life is just that, it does not need to be pushed on people. God's Creation is that of male and female, and no law can change someone's sex, no law can change
the meaning of marriage. No child comes into life, without one man and one woman, coming toghether as one. We cannot mandate laws to force people to respect what is not true. Children deserve truth and faith to grow sound and healthy. They need a father and a mother, the true diversity of the sexes. This is the natural and normal human family. Don't lie to the children, tell the children the truth. That is God's Law.

Kathryn, Chicago Tribune 31 Comments [7/29/2008 11:00:57 AM]
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Quote# 43800

[Hey Specter, I have a question for you. Scientist examined the human body and the ape body. They concluded and proven that humans and apes are 98% similar. Now that's undeniable.
But in genesis, God picked up a handful of dirt, and blew on it to create man. Took a rib from the man, and created a woman named Lilith.Now, what's the percentage similarity of man and dirt? and a woman from a man's rib?]

Oh you just proved that the Bible is scietificaly acurate, thank you, there is a 100% similarity betwean the matter in humans and the matter in the univers. It's a fact that man becomes dust, that man is made of water, water is made of H2O, which the elements are everywhere, we have gold in us, last I checked you can buy gold, we have potasium in us, last I checked, also findable in nature, we have everything in comon with dirt, except, the way we are put togather and our being concious.

Spectersparten, Youtube Comments 39 Comments [7/29/2008 10:59:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Malkavian Jeff

Quote# 43802

[replying to a Catholic who refers to the book of Jonah in the Bible]

There is no "book of Jonah".

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your opposition to Christ.

[Trouble is, there IS a book of Jonah]

Saint Iguanas, CARM.org 44 Comments [7/29/2008 7:06:55 AM]
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Quote# 43798

[Discussing whether or not children go to Heaven if they die]

The best explanation I ever heard was along these lines: God is able to look into the future and see what would have been had the child not died; He knows if that child would have chosen or rejected Him, and will base His judgement on that. It's not "predestination" in a Calvinist sense; it's foreknowledge. <b>To me, that's the only kind of thinking that makes sense.</b>

[Emphasis mine]

abidinginvine, Rapture Ready 43 Comments [7/29/2008 7:06:32 AM]
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