Quote# 56558

[Energy wasting TV's being banned in Britain.]

As Britain gets more Godless, it gets more daft. Will they go through residences counting the number of televisions too, four or five tvs is worse than one flat screen.

If the God you fear, appease, worship and sacrifice to is the envirnoment the state becomes the church of the environment and the "enviroNazis" your high priests and Pharisees and eventually the sole religion, imposed on us all. Statism can go stuff itself. If I want to pay more for electricity I should. This is a drop in the bucket and an infringement on civil liberties by the Julie Andrews state.

Kevin, "The Independent" Comments Section 35 Comments [1/21/2009 2:44:50 AM]
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Quote# 56632

Physical abuse by one’s spouse is not a biblical reason for divorce, says a pastor at Saddleback Church in southern California.

Tom Holladay, teaching pastor at the megachurch founded by best-selling author Rick Warren, says the Bible only gives two cases where divorce is acceptable: abandonment and a physical affair.

“I wish there were a third in Scripture having been involved as a pastor with situations of abuse," Holladay said in an audio clip posted on Saddleback Church’s Web site. "There is something in me that wishes there were a Bible verse that says, 'If they abuse you in this-and-such kind of way, then you have a right to leave them.'"

Physical abuse, he defined, is someone “literally” beating another person up regularly.

"I don't mean they grab you once. I mean they've made a habit of beating you regularly,” he clarified.

But while Holladay believes divorce is not a biblical option in cases of domestic violence, he strongly recommends the couple to separate. During the separation, the couple should undergo counseling and try to mend the marriage, he said.

“Separation combined with counseling has been proven to provide healing in people’s lives,” the pastor said, noting that his church, Saddleback, offers such a program.

“There is no where in the Bible that says you should put up with abuse,” he emphasized. There is no where that says it is an “attitude of submission to let someone abuse you.”

It is logical to think that divorce will offer an escape from the pain, the pastor acknowledged, but in reality it doesn’t. The pain of a broken marriage continues for the rest of a person’s life.

After a divorce, there is an “immediate release” from pain and people can think that freedom and joy are coming back into their life. But in the long term, the pain recurs every time the two former spouses deal with the children or communicate. And even events in a new marriage can trigger painful memories.

Holladay recommends instead of the “short-term solution” of a divorce that will involve long-term pain, people should endure “short-term pain” and find “God’s solution” for “long-term gain.”

Tom Holladay, The Christian Post, "Saddleback Pastor: Domestic Abuse Not Reason for Divorce" 33 Comments [1/21/2009 2:41:56 AM]
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Submitted By: GreenEyedLilo

Quote# 56536

With Mr. Obama as president, you might as well get ready for abortion clinics in every convenience store in America. This country is in big trouble because of the liberal attitude of its people. Our God is an awesome God, and He has put up with a lot of things that this country CONTINUES to practice without any repentance whatsoever. You think Hurricane Katrina was an accident? Do you think all of the disasters befalling this country are caused by "global warming"? God did not PUT Obama in the white house, He ALLOWED Obama to be put in the white house, because that's exactly what this country deserves. The USA is in big trouble with Jehovah God.

jxn.jerry, crosswalk.com 52 Comments [1/21/2009 2:31:51 AM]
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Submitted By: Karlos

Quote# 56197

Evolution is a stupid theory because it does not know what and why it does. But that does'nt stop a lot of people believing in stupid theories. Nothing in the universe exists without purposes, other wise the universe could not exist in it's present form. Purposes have a whole purpose and individual purpose. Not determind by themselves, because they don't know why, but because of God. Who exists for the whole purpose and the individual purpose. So knows exactly how people and things should exist.

Persecuted, BBC Religion & Ethics 57 Comments [1/21/2009 1:24:30 AM]
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Submitted By: Gareth1984

Quote# 56416

Grade school textbooks teach evolution as fact. It is a monstrous lie that harms our children.

The evolution theory says we evolved from the original Big Bang and later crawled out of a green slime from the ocean.

Here is one example of its ludicrous hypothesis.

Of all the mysteries surrounding evolution, the one that is most baffling to the evolutionists, is “water.” Where did all the oceans come from?

As explained on the National Geographic program, it came from a massive collision in space. As the Earth was cooling from the Big Bang, it was approached by a stray planet that was teeming with water. It collided with Earth, spilled its water onto the Earth, then careened off into space.

Talk about fairy tales. By the way, where did the stray planet get its water?

Come on evolutionists, surely you can develop a more plausible explanation that can be easier to swallow. Until then, I accept the Bible’s answer. After all, the 4,000-year-old book has a perfect track record.

The evolution theory is only 140 years old.

Bill DeJournett, Dothaneagle.com 32 Comments [1/21/2009 12:30:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Orlor

Quote# 57010

I flew one time, maybe a year after 9/11...there was a muslim right behind me. (Actually an Indian friend of mine told me he probably was Indian, and not Muslim, as Indians wear the bigger head thingys). Anyway as soon as we took off, the guy, who was in the middle seat, wanted to use the bathroom. Because of all the fear we all had, the guy next to him wouldn't let him go! He came up with excuses not to let the poor guy use the bathroom until the very end of the flight. haha. It would have been really funny if it hadn't been slightly nervewracking!

Kitagrl, Online Baptist 64 Comments [1/21/2009 12:22:42 AM]
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Submitted By: Moordryd

Quote# 56633

[Response to an article about Rick Warren's Saddleback Church teaching that domestic violence is no reason for divorce.]

That this article received so many comments with such a variety of views is evidence of the deep depth of sin in our society on this issue. The Bible is clear on the subject, but Biblical views of divorce are largely ignored in favor of the putrid values of modern society, "common sense" which is by definition very common and ungodly, political correctness, and selfish greed. What God gave us for our benefit, marriage, we have used to hurt ourselves and others by not abiding by the Biblical mandate, and as a society, not meaning what we say when we say "until death do us part."

Tom Holladay, The Christian Post article comments 27 Comments [1/20/2009 10:26:42 PM]
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Submitted By: GreenEyedLilo

Quote# 56500

All homosexuals are going to hell unless they repent

I will also say that all straight people who fornicate are going to hell unless they repent as well

A born again Christian with a new nature being a new creature in the new creation will not and can not live in habitual sin. It is impossible for a Christian to live in a lifestyle of Sin because the Spirit of God abides on them.

theroc, RR 42 Comments [1/20/2009 10:24:17 PM]
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Submitted By: acdcrocker1909

Quote# 56471

I realize GOD is really, really, patient with man
BUT I have to wonder how much more evil can he put up with.. with the ways things are now. HES gotta be furious .. I guess thats why the TRIB will be so awful, because GODS wrath has been stored up soo long and hes given man soo much grace .. His wrath is just gonna explode sometime soon ..

CHRISTinCheryl, RaptureReady 51 Comments [1/20/2009 10:24:11 PM]
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Quote# 56958

I really believe some liberals hate George Bush more than Osamo bin laden..I believe the media hatred for anything conservative or anything that is morally right in my opinion is pure Satanic...It disgust me that they will slander anyone who they disagree with Sarah Palin comes to mind..And it really angers me that they would show so much disrespect toward the president all these years...All our media (with the exception of a few like fox news) has painted our president and our country as evil war mongers across the world, and the whole world believes it, or at least most of them.

Glory in print, Rapture Ready 53 Comments [1/20/2009 10:20:14 PM]
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Submitted By: sooze

Quote# 56589

{dicussion freedom of religion in America}

radical islam is very very dangerous.we should put up stipulations whether it is taking lives of non muslims and making women wear tents and also whether or not it effects the lives and freedoms of women and children.islam is just plain evil and sadly i wished our founding fathers had known of this vile religion when they had written the constitution.they did say it was for and only for a Christian nation.i don't think they had islam in mind or even knew of it way back then.

saved by Grace, RR 39 Comments [1/20/2009 9:39:07 PM]
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Submitted By: cc

Quote# 56512

A media-academic-legal elite is energetically determined to impose a radically secularist vision against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Americans. This outlook rejects the wisdom if the founding generation as outdated and treats the notion that our liberties come from God as a curious artifact from the 1770s but of little practical importance for more enlightened times.

This elite is especially hard at work in the courts and in the classrooms where it is attempting to overturn two centuries of American self-understanding of religious freedom and political liberty.

In the courts, we see a systematic effort by this elite to purge all religious expression from American public life. The ongoing attempt to remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance is only the most well-known of these mounting efforts.

Newt Gingrich, Rediscovering God In America 32 Comments [1/20/2009 8:42:57 PM]
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Quote# 56361

We had a vicious claim yesterday by some poster that Islam was into the same God. God never changes. When did He change and grant them genital mutilation for young girls and honor killings?

coadie, Good News Cafe 40 Comments [1/20/2009 8:05:33 PM]
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Quote# 56452

There was a question in another thread that speculated how much time, and how hard it would be, for Noah to collect all the animals for the ark. I actually have studied this.

There are millions of species of animals, yes. But about 45% of them are insects. Another 30% or more are ocean or water dwelling. 45-50% of the rest are housecat sized or smaller. The average size, counting from mice to elephants (and yes, dinosaurs - most were cow-sized or smaller) would be that of a sheep. Plus, he wouldn't have to take two foxes, two wolves, etc. Just two canines. Same for felines and other species. The size of the ark, with three levels, was 1.5 million cubic feet. This is the equivalent of almost 530 railroad box cars. Each boxcar can carry about 240 sheep.

In order for all of creation to be saved, the ark would have to be large enough to carry (at the highest estimate) 25,000 animals. But the ark was big enough for over 80,000 sheep-sized animals. With only 30% of the ark taken up by animals, that left a lot of room for animal supplies.

My only question is, where did they get an elephant-sized pooper scooper?

stormdancer0, Christian Forums 54 Comments [1/20/2009 7:53:30 PM]
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Submitted By: E

Quote# 56601

(Discussing a Youtube video about Prop.8 and what might happen next.)

"Are you going to tell me and my wife that our marriage and love isnt real because we are both atheists?"

I would say no it isn't love because from an atheist would view, love is just the chemicals testosterone, estrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, and vasopressin working within the brain. Is that what you think "love" is? if not, tell me what love is according to your dirty pathetic illogical atheist world view?

vrod00, Youtube 51 Comments [1/20/2009 7:46:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Reverend Jeremiah

Quote# 56680

Hey atheist why are you still atheist if the term atheist proves atheist are wrong ?
the term athiest itself proves that there IS a God. ( and that He is the christain one)

a + theos, denying god = atheism

there IS a God, you're simply denying His existance. How can you deny something that doesn't exist?! Something has to exist first before you can deny its existance!

Additional Details

4 minutes ago
and why do ppl want to not go to heavan ??? there is so many cook ppll like me in their.

Jesus FREAK, Yahoo Answers 89 Comments [1/20/2009 5:08:37 PM]
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Quote# 56742

I've analyzed how many [of the casualties of the Gaza war] are wounded or dead from Israel and I laugh....the truly amazing powers of God at work.

jesusiscomin, RR 62 Comments [1/20/2009 5:07:29 PM]
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Quote# 56379

Also, we have the added blessing that Jesus described. "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake." We have gotten our fair share of that blessing lately!

Undoubtedly, 2009 will bring with it more Christian bashing, but CADC is poised to bring an even more effective response. It is your prayers and financial support that God uses to keep us in the fight.

Gary Cass, CADC 44 Comments [1/20/2009 5:06:49 PM]
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Submitted By: Frogflayer

Quote# 56728

this is quite a way to start the new year. my co-worker put on his facebook status - hoping for peace in the middle east and i just have to laugh. to secular people - they think peace is possible and to the christians we know better. it's all supposed to happen but it's going to be interesting to see what this one brings. i wonder if king abdullah of jordan is stepping in or what obama will do.

AWillow, RaptureReady 35 Comments [1/20/2009 3:50:57 PM]
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Quote# 56596

Each morning, my wife and I go out on the deck, look up and say "You coming Lord?"

ABKN, prophecy fellowship 69 Comments [1/20/2009 3:50:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Dave

Quote# 56685

(I edited the spacing to make it easier to read)

I am tired of evolutionist/atheist.
I am slime that crawled out of the oceans, no wait first I became some sort of really gross sea creature, crustacian thing. Then I decided that I wanted two eyes with lenses............then I wanted to "procreate" but, hmmm, wait let me evolve a little more so my mate will be better looking.........have a gorgeous head of hair, hehehehehehe.

My future offspring can then watch geniuses like Stephen Hawkins expound on the intricacies of the universe and all its beauty and then end the show with some statement to make you want to pull your hair out: " I don' t





he rrre"!

('durrr' emoticon)

Seabird, Rapture Ready 38 Comments [1/20/2009 3:33:35 PM]
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Submitted By: The Lazy One

Quote# 56570

Atheists claim themselves to be anti-Christian yet they follow beliefs that arose from Christianity(i.e. current idea of God, humanism, individualism and even rationalism). And rather than going in the direction of truth they have gone in the exact opposite direction.

ThickGreenPuke, Reddit 29 Comments [1/20/2009 2:40:59 PM]
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Submitted By: CT

Quote# 56669

(Madonna and Britney's onstage kiss was actually a satanic ritual...what isn't these days?)

Madonna is into Kabbalah...and from what i have read, it is more of a Satanic cult.
There's also a picture of her sporting a t-shirt that says "Cult Member."
She is also seen mocking the crucifixion of Christ in some video if hers.

Her and Britney also did a Satanic ritual on stage at some award show. Many people don't realize what they were doing tho...but i did some research on it.

TwinklingOfAnEye, RR 42 Comments [1/20/2009 1:43:19 PM]
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Quote# 56707

Yeah, you'd think that all those aliens living on other planets at the time of the big bang would have been killed in the blast.

Lisa in OK, Rapture Ready 78 Comments [1/20/2009 1:40:47 PM]
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Quote# 56568

Ouija boards are pure filth and evil. Please, if you own one, burn it. If you know of anyone that has one, encourage them to burn it.

It is not an innocent toy. It is a tool that is used for an opening for Satan and his minions. By using it, you are giving permission for Satan and evil spirits to enter into your life.

I know of a family where they played with an Ouija board after receiving one for Christmas. They loved it and spent hour apon hour "playing" with it, for years, even having friends over to experiment. Adults participated. I, by the Grace of God, was too scared to ever participate and was protected from it. My mother hated it and forbid us to "play". But the family and friends were not spared. Marriages were broken, jobs were lost, homosexuality and other sexual sins were rampant, physical and mental abuse became the norm. There were even two deaths in our neighborhood and some horrible accidents. The whole family fell apart, and I saw kids go from good to bad and families ripped apart in a short time span. I, to this day, blame it on that "toy" and so does my mother.

Chicken5516, Rapture Ready 33 Comments [1/20/2009 1:21:41 PM]
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