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Quote# 67315

On October 18, 2004, Arthur Shelton, a self described Christian and Eagle Scout, murdered his friend and roommate, Larry Hooper, because Hooper didn't believe in God.
The trial began with the taped phone call Arthur Shelton placed to the Taylor police department in Taylor, Michigan, October 18, 2004, at precisely 12:44 AM. Shelton sounded calm and pridefull when he told the dispatcher he had just shot "the devil himself" with a revolver and a shotgun because "he (Hooper) didn't believe in God." Shelton told the dispatcher he was "still armed and ready to shoot again in case he moves. I want to make sure he's gone." When the dispatcher asked how many times he shot the victim Shelton replied, "hopefully enough."

Throughout the 15 minute phone call Shelton often repeated, "I'm a Christian and an Eagle Scout and I wouldn't lie," and "don't worry about me, I'm fine, but he's the devil." The dispatcher struggled to persuade Shelton to lay down his weapon and go outdoors with his arms raised. Shelton resisted, as he feared Hooper might not be "dead enough", but eventually complied.

Dead enough was an understatement. When the police arrived they were confronted with the grizzly scene of Hooper sitting upright on the couch with his head blown away and his brain laying on his hand. The autopsy report presented by the prosecutor was gruesome to be sure, but, for the record, Larry Hooper tested negative for all narcotics and alcohol.

Testimony by the arresting officer and the officers transporting Shelton to the police station revealed that while the officers were interested in gathering details about the incident, Shelton was obsessed with talking about God, the Eagle Scouts and stating he "would not talk to anyone who didn't believe in God but that he would talk to the police because he felt they believed in God."
He stated he "was not sorry for a second that he killed Hooper." He stated, "In the eyes of the law I was wrong and will probably spend the rest of my life in prison, but in the eyes of God I have killed an evil person -- the devil himself."
Judge Bill invited Shelton to make a statement and after fumbling for words Shelton stated he was sorry that Larry was dead but he did a job that had to be done. He stated that he actually, "saw fire and smoke coming from Larry's eyes and knew he was the devil himself."
Even with all that behind us, December 19th, the day of sentencing, was still a horrific experience for myself, George Shiffer, Joe Milon, Lee Helms and Marty Maier. When leaving the courtroom the 'Christian' Shelton family lay in wait for us in the hallway. Their tears dried, they surrounded us shouting these comments: "The one good thing of all of this is that another Atheist is dead and the world is better off for it" and "The only good Atheist is a dead Atheist."

Arthur Shelton; Shelton Family, Newsvine 175 Comments [11/5/2009 3:12:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Ajax

Quote# 67311

I just thought a reason to teach ID in schools: kids might learn what their ass was designed for before they start using it for sex.

wiley, Pharyngula 72 Comments [11/5/2009 11:07:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 67305

First, the Bible itself claims to be the inspired Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16). For some reason, many people seem to dismiss this as if such internal evidence doesn’t count. But this is a double standard that they would not apply to most other books. Consider my book Taking Back Astronomy. This book claims to have been written by me, and most people would accept that it really is written by me simply because it says so. So, why do some people arbitrarily reject the Bible’s internal claim? This is the fallacy of special pleading and may indicate an anti-God bias that is part of our fallen nature.

Dr. Jason Lisle, Answers in Genesis 75 Comments [11/5/2009 11:06:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Tom S. Fox

Quote# 67299

[regarding a public hearing on the DC's marriage equality bill]

Nearly 100 witnesses and more than seven hours later, Ernestine Copeland, an opponent of same-sex marriage, ended the first day of the hearing at 10:58, asking, “Who among you would allow your male dog to lie with a male dog?” She harangued the Council for deciding “to lead my people to hell” by supporting same-sex marriages which “will destroy our society.”

Ernestine Copeland, 365gay.com 37 Comments [11/5/2009 11:03:42 AM]
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Quote# 67297

I'm saying that the human species may well have existed for millions of years only in its unicellular form.

No Robots, Talk Rational 34 Comments [11/5/2009 11:00:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Amadan

Quote# 67295

Dan Lietha, Answers in Genesis 55 Comments [11/5/2009 10:58:48 AM]
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Quote# 67293

[Topic: Why shouldn't we have a theocracy?]

But laws can be changed, including the Constitution. I know the Founding Fathers were against theocracy. Jefferson even rewrote the Bible. Blaspheme! But that doesn't change the word of God and what he wants for us.
We need to make an amendment for a new Constitution that will make our nation a Christian nation ruled according to God will in the Bible. "Notice I didn't conjugate God. I decided that altering God name is disgraceful to God and we should not disgrace God. Just like you wouldnt lower case God name you should not alter it by adding letters to it."

ChristsAdvocate, Topix 55 Comments [11/5/2009 10:58:09 AM]
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Submitted By: Rob

Quote# 67292

Another thing is that evolution CANNOT explain why there was no rain up until the time of Noah either. No death and no rain - millions and millions of years!

tdodds74, http://www.fresh-hope.com/ 66 Comments [11/5/2009 10:56:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Panagiotes "RaspK" Koutelidakes

Quote# 67291

[I]t is a bit rich of Dawkins and his ilk to start throwing around the term Fairy stories since we created the world which permits him to learn and study. Farsighted popes and bishops… took the fateful step that Islamic leaders had rejected. By marrying Christian theology to Aristotelian science, they committed the West to an ethic of rational enquiry that would generate a succession of scientific advances

I insist we turn it on him and continue to ask…What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe? science alone can speak truth about man and his world.

I think so many scientists and especially people who study genetics (I worked in biotechnology for 8 years, it was hard to find any any atheists there) are religious because they are always struck by the fact we are all descended from Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam.

carlismo, Daily Telegraph blog comments 41 Comments [11/5/2009 10:54:03 AM]
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Quote# 67090

Say the bible was taken away, then no law against murder, stealing, raping or slapping people who mocks the bible in the face.

No, can't see that we will be better off.

This guy should come to Africa to experience life without morals.(Some bad areas here).


The fools cannot understand that morality has pretty much always been the result of religion. Without it, societies have been horribly brutal.

Christianity in particular contributed vastly to Western Civilization. There probably wouldn't have been Western Civilization without it.

Soldier7, frodo82801, Rapture Ready 61 Comments [11/5/2009 7:15:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Tiger

Quote# 67281

Yves Saint Laurent invented the godless women's pantsuit in 1966. He spent time in psychiatric institutions and was a drug addict. The fact is Saint was no "saint" but a wicked vile sinner who committed an "abomination." Who did more to hurt the women in this world than most. He liberated no one, but instead help to enslave them under the bondage of Satan and his devices. He hlep to tare down the walls of modesty, equal rights, women's lib, and feminity. Pants are a man's clothing and should not be worn by a lady. Pants goes against the Word of God, modesty, virture, womenhood, decency, and God given feminity.

Mark Grizzard, Amazing Grace Baptist Church 82 Comments [11/4/2009 4:48:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Preacher's Kid

Quote# 67276

Good news! General Electric has developed a hand-held ultrasound device that will greatly assist medically-qualified prolife sidewalk counselors in convincing women to reject abortion. Called the Vscan, the device is the size of a large flip phone an...d can quickly and easily show women a video of the baby growing inside their wombs just steps away from abortion clinics. Praise God for this scientific breakthrough!

One Million Moms, One Million Moms on Facebook 69 Comments [11/4/2009 4:47:24 AM]
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Submitted By: RustyShackleford

Quote# 67273

(small quote from very long essay)

I am an Extra-Terrestrial. I am here, but I am not of this planet. There is no place on this earth that is my home; there are only fortifications that provide shelter from the raging storm.

I am here only by God's will, His design, and His Grace. I did not choose this assignment -- as I had no say in the matter -- but I will carry out this assignment to the best of my ability and leave that to the leading of the Holy Spirit that indwells me. I take my orders from the command of the Most High, as I am a warrior and a peacemaker, a sinner and a saint.

Although I am an extra-terrestrial, I am in human form. I am of flesh, blood, and bone. While I am a warrior, an am not invincible and I can and do break. While I am a peacemaker, I stage a daily crusade of righteousness that has love as its foundation and yet thirsts for justice. Yes, I am a sinner -- and I am the worst -- but because I have accepted the gift of eternal life that Jesus so freely offered me I am a saint; despite my grievous flaws and chronic stumbling.

My, oh my, this human form is so limiting. I cannot fly just yet. I can't go from here to there in a nano-second. I cannot do complex mathematical equations without the use of calculator! And yet, it's these human senses that allow me to enjoy the sights, sounds, feelings, tastes, and aromas that are the benefits that this earth has to offer.

Ah, but these human emotions are the worst. These human emotions cause pain. And yet, I wouldn't trade these emotions for the finest house anywhere on this earth. It is these emotions that make the entire human experience so enriching for an extra-terrestrial! They make me just like you...because I am like you!

JY11, Rapture Ready 75 Comments [11/4/2009 4:42:01 AM]
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Quote# 67272

(Home Depot employee fired for "One Nation Under God" pin)

Pretty bad, huh? It's looking like that in order to be a modern American, you are supposed to despise America.(eyeroll smiley)

It's just going to keep going backwards until true American patriots are run out of the country.

antitox, Rapture Ready 48 Comments [11/4/2009 4:41:19 AM]
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Quote# 66959

I guarantee Congress and Senate are going to investigate this Obama character. The White House now refers to Mao as a great philosopher. Mao murdered 75 million people!! What has America come to? Communism is on the way!! Atheists will be free to kill all Christians just for reading a bible!!

Remember people, I've said all along in this forum that communist-atheism is evil and vicious, not to mention, they are evil dictators!! Well, that's what America is coming to. THE CHANGE!!!

Now, I just find out that another White House spokesmen refered to Hugo Chavez as a good man. wow just wow.

I'm stunned at this country

IBelieveInHymn, FRDB 52 Comments [11/3/2009 6:14:02 PM]
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Submitted By: Orlor

Quote# 67260

Once again, I have to ask "why do lesbians look so damn MANLY?". Since they "like women", you would think that they would be the most FEMININE creatures on Earth!

Maybe they're really closet straights, or maybe "gender nutrality" has screwed them up.

KHarn, Moonbattery 72 Comments [11/3/2009 3:57:30 PM]
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Submitted By: DevilsChaplain

Quote# 67257

Here we go again. First: Make same sex marriage the law of the state. Second: Outlaw hetrosexual marriage. Third: Punish hetrosexual sex with burning at the stake. This would even things between those who believe in freedom and those who believe in myths and superstition. Result would be: Substantial reduction in population. Second: It would nearly eliminate education underfunding. Third: Housing costs would be reduced. Forth: Those countries who do not adopt these policies will destruct and make the US king of the hill again. Defencse rests.

ceemill1, Mlive 74 Comments [11/3/2009 3:56:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Trike

Quote# 67256

[Anti-gay marriage ad from Washington.]

Our position is not about hate, its about love. Its about having a true consideration for the next generations future; its about keeping the teaching of morals and preserving the most fundamental part of human relations, the original intent of marriage, ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, no other way. Were not denying rights; we are rejecting an attempt to redefine marriage... In May of 2004, Gay marriage was legalized in Scandinavia..

What Happened..? Did you know... That year alone suicide rates doubled. The illegal drug rate increased 19 times. And to say the least the traditional picture of Marriage being One Man One Women was completely shattered. What about our country? Did you know..77% of ALL aids cases in the United States are related to homosexuality. Also, recent news reports indicate that the legalization of gay marriage will start a movement that will result in YOUR CHILDREN being taught about gay marriage as a normal form of life. Are we willing to let this happen? Whose future is really at stake?

Protect Marriage Washington, protectmarriagewa.com 64 Comments [11/3/2009 3:55:51 PM]
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Submitted By: DevilsChaplain

Quote# 67255

How come when viewing debates bewtween 2 intellectuals about the existence of God, some atheists call the theist "stupid" unintelligent, and insane. They say this about people such as, John Lennox (Professor with a triple doc at Oxford) Antony Flew (ex atheists who they used to praise) William Lane Craig (One of the best philisophers who has never lost a debate on God) Alister McGrath (Also professor at Oxford) Are they saying that they are smarter than a professor at Oxford? They say "oh i wish i could debate craig i would crush him" REALLY? cuz so far no other atheist, atheists that are highly intelligent, have beaten him

Tonr H, Yahoo! Answers 31 Comments [11/3/2009 3:55:09 PM]
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Submitted By: Las Plagas

Quote# 67254

I had a similar experience with my x-husband. He was counting on the Catholic Church and the Virgin Mary to save him, although like your wife, he never went to mass either.

I was saved 8 years into our marriage...I guess I drove him crazy talking about Jesus and The Rapture all the time.

He divorced me, married someone a LOT younger (who is a Mormon!) and he's left the Catholic Church. The last I heard, he's saved now, but his wife is still a Mormon...talk about "poetic justice!"

Susan B-9, RR 37 Comments [11/3/2009 3:54:11 PM]
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Quote# 67251

I have no problem disrespecting Obamarx. I have no problem calling him names because it's an outlet for the tremendous anger his policies and ideology incite in me. I have no problem reconciling my disrespect for him with my Christianity.

Remember, the King told us He didn't come to bring peace, but to pit mother against daughter, etc. (Sure there's room for citizen against president in that equation.)

And my advice to anyone who is bothered by our not supporting the outrageous sin-filled destruction of our country is to stay out of the political forums. (I say this with a healthy dose of Christian love.)

CarlaL48, Rapture Ready 49 Comments [11/3/2009 3:52:59 PM]
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Quote# 67249

Did you know that all atheists are not atheists because of intellectual problems? They’re atheists because of moral problems. You say, “But I know some brilliant people who are atheists.” Well, that may be so, but I know some brilliant people who are not. You say, “I know some foolish people who believe in God.” Well, I know everyone who doesn’t believe in God is foolish.

[Bible verses removed]

An atheist is somebody who is uncomfortable with the idea of God. So he says, “If I can get rid of this idea of God, I can get rid of this uncomfortable feeling.” But in reality, he doesn’t get rid of it down deep in his conscience. He’s like the man who bought a new boomerang and killed himself trying to throw the old one away.

Adrian Rogers, Love Worth Finding Ministries 54 Comments [11/3/2009 3:51:47 PM]
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Quote# 67247

Shadow needs to get his facts straight. No serious scientist supports evolution anymore. The science just isn't there. In fact a serious study of the actual theory breaks down pretty quickly. Creationism isn't based around doctrinal religious beliefs.

mrvlrdr101, Gamefaqs 61 Comments [11/3/2009 3:49:48 PM]
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Quote# 67246

SUPPOSEDLY Roeder killed a filthy, churchgoing MASS MURDERER, who killed PERSONALLY 60,000.....SIXTY THOUSAND human beings....for money and FEMINISM !!!!! Hence Roeder is now condemned by most "nice" (read feminist) christians, and prayers are publicly offered for Tiller's family by persecution fearing christian prolifers. Hey, I DO offer my prayers for them. MAY THEY REPENT!!!!!! May they see that their husband and father ABUNDANTLY deserved to DIE! EARLY! EARLIER! May they cast themelves upon GOD'S MERCY, and may they even insanely beg GOD to have MERCY upon their wretched and loved, but righteously executed husband and father.
(Personal note: While my mother was able to communicate she was a pro-abort....my dad was escorting murdering mothers into their abomination, packing a piece for guys like me, while my body was being twisted into impossible positions, and getting 500 pounds of concentrated pressure on my spine to save the babies.) ......If anyone does not think I love my mom and dad, they are sick!

So.....by the above conflicted and evidently pained pained paragraph.....perhaps I have transmitted that I have enough feminist traits to grant me a plenary indulgence for STICKING TO GOD'S WORD!!!!!! in a supposedly? male way? Or is my attack on the supposed NON-feminism of chrsitians....male and female.....unindulgeable?

matthew wheeler, Full Quiver Mission 55 Comments [11/3/2009 3:49:34 PM]
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Quote# 67243

Regarding a Young Turks video where a woman was denied health insurance because the fact se was raped was classified as a "pre existing condition".

"maybe she shouldn't have worn a short skirt!"

Maybe she shouldn't be getting drunk with men she doesn't know, maybe she shouldn't be walking alone at night in the wrong part of town, all of that. It doesn't? excuse her attacker but rape victims often were doing something that put them in a riskier situation than they might have been. Should the more careful be forced to pay for the crimes and the recklessness of others?

Aliothemage, You Tube 62 Comments [11/3/2009 3:48:48 PM]
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