Quote# 58312

"Not natural"(inconsistent with or against the natural order of things) is indeed an argument. The best argument imo, because permitting gay marriage is essentially equalizing heterosexuality with homosexuality - and it doesn't take a scholar to see that the two are not equal.

[Not the best argument because we actually see homosexuality in nature. Ta da!]

There's a lot of unnatural things that occur in nature, hence the existence of the words "unnatural" and "abnormal" or even "freak" or "anomaly", and the list continues.... so what?

[It's the line "There's a lot of unnatural things that occur in nature" that gets me.]

johnjohn, CARM 30 Comments [2/12/2009 4:48:25 AM]
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Submitted By: TRiG

Quote# 58637

The Italian government has been plunged into a constitutional crisis over the fate of a 38-year-old woman who has been in a coma for the past 17 years. Eluana Englaro was left in a vegetative state after a car crash in 1992. After a decade-long court battle, doctors reduced her nutrition on Friday in preparation for removing her feeding tubes, which her father claims would be in accordance with her wishes.

But in an extraordinary turn of events, the country's prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, after consultation with the Vatican, has issued an emergency decree stating that food and water cannot be suspended for any patient depending upon them, reversing the earlier court ruling. On issuing the emergency decree, Berlusconi declared: "This is murder. I would be failing to rescue her. I'm not a Pontius Pilate."

Justifying his campaign to save Englaro's life, the prime minister added that, physically at least, she was "in the condition to have babies"

Silvio Berlusconi, The Guardian 75 Comments [2/12/2009 4:46:42 AM]
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Quote# 58091

Right To Life: We believe that every human deserves the right to life—from conception to death—and that we do not have the right to kill unborn children nor to murder the elderly through active euthanasia. We do, however, support the death penalty. The Bible is clear that the government has the responsibility to provide for peace and security for its people. We also believe the government has the power to take the lives of those who murder others and to wage war against our enemies.

Traditional Values Coalition, Tradtitional Values Defined 53 Comments [2/12/2009 4:44:58 AM]
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Submitted By: The Lazy One

Quote# 58084

//India and China have been there for thousands of years and do just fine without our GOD! Who says witch God is the right one? The white man forced our God in to their faces remember? The bible does not mention China or India therefore the Bible can not be right!//

Werner, before there were any nations there was Adam and Eve. All the earths peoples originated from them. I know, probably you (and others) are laughing at the thought, but that does not change the fact. The Bibles account of the history of man and how it was dispersed over the centuries is clear. The geographical accuracies of the Bible are not in question, it is an accurate historical account. As you say //The bible does not mention China or India therefore the Bible can not be right!// is not a very good argument to disbelieve it.

Kevin Goodall, facebook 29 Comments [2/12/2009 4:43:08 AM]
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Submitted By: worldsend

Quote# 58281

Corrupt (that goes without saying),

I don’t recall any flying pigs in the Bible. In fact, I’m fairly certain pigs didn’t fly back then. After all, when Jesus removed the demons from the sick and cast them into swine, the pigs jumped off a cliff and drowned in the water below. Surely, the demons would have made them fly if they had that capability. If anyone knows of verses in which pigs flew, please identify them.

Now, horses did fly in Biblical times. (And, at least one donkey talked.) But the fact that these acts occurred then doesn’t mean they occur now. People lived to be hundreds of years old back then, but no one today even makes it to 150.

Blue Ollie is right; the earth has been here about 6,000 years. Your carbon dating is about as reliable as those silly computer climate models that suggest the planet is getting hotter.


Tiffany Wellsley, Baptistforbrown2008 38 Comments [2/12/2009 4:35:39 AM]
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Quote# 58456

We are are doing an in depth study of the book of Genesis and we were talking about all the different dimensions. My SS teacher is science oriented, so I had to ask him to teach this in laymens terms. Anyway, it is possible that the Garden of Eden is in a dimension that we, in the third dimension, cannot see. In other words, the Garden is still where God originally put it, but we were cast out of the dimension that it occupies and that is why nobody has been able to find it and try to get back in. We can pass through it, but because we are in a different dimension we cannot feel it or see it.

I think the whole thing is really fascinating.

NewWorldOrder, Rapture Ready 48 Comments [2/12/2009 4:30:39 AM]
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Submitted By: xiane

Quote# 58185

That's not exactly how Noah's Ark happened. It happened like this: The entire world was disobeying God, they were having homosexual relationships, %@*#s, pre-marital sex, all that jazz. Oh, and since when does Religion =/= Logic exactly?

Christianity is actually a very logical religion. Stop looking at it half empty.

Fruscainte, worldofwarcraft 41 Comments [2/12/2009 4:17:36 AM]
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Quote# 58478

No one knows who brought the book to the mosque, or at least no one dares say. The pocket-size translation of the Quran has already landed six men in prison in Afghanistan and left two of them begging judges to spare their lives. They're accused of modifying the Quran and their fate could be decided Sunday in court...

...The book appeared among gifts left for the cleric at a major Kabul mosque after Friday prayers in September 2007. It was a translation of the Quran into one of Afghanistan's languages, with a note giving permission to reprint the text as long as it was distributed for free.

Some of the men of the mosque said the book would be useful to Afghans who didn't know Arabic, so they took up a collection for printing. The mosque's cleric asked Ahmad Ghaws Zalmai, a longtime friend, to get the books printed.

But as some of the 1,000 copies made their way to conservative Muslim clerics in Kabul, whispers began, then an outcry.

Many clerics rejected the book because it did not include the original Arabic verses alongside the translation. It's a particularly sensitive detail for Muslims, who regard the Arabic Quran as words given directly by God. A translation is not considered a Quran itself, and a mistranslation could warp God's word.

The clerics said Zalmai, a stocky 54-year-old spokesman for the attorney general, was trying to anoint himself as a prophet. They said his book was trying to replace the Quran, not offer a simple translation. Translated editions of the Quran abound in Kabul markets, but they include Arabic verses.

The country's powerful Islamic council issued an edict condemning the book.

"In all the mosques in Afghanistan, all the mullahs said, 'Zalmai is an infidel. He should be killed,'" Zalmai recounted as he sat outside the chief judge's chambers waiting for a recent hearing.

Muslim Clerics, Yahoo! News 29 Comments [2/12/2009 3:59:19 AM]
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Quote# 58413

[How many "kinds" or "species" were created to give the variety we now have?]

Question: How many "kinds" or "species" were created to give the variety we now have? Also, how many animals would Noah have had on the Ark?

Answer: The answer to both questions is the same, presuming no extinctions during the first 1,500 years of world history. We don't even know how many "kinds" or "species" are alive today!

Please bear in mind that "kinds" and "species" are not necessarily the same. "Kind" is a biblical term while "species" is a human designation. Each word has its own, different, and imprecise meanings. In general, "kind" is often a bit broader than "species."

This leaves us with little more than speculation to answer your frequently-asked question. However, the numbers of animals the Ark could have held can be roughly estimated since its size is given in Scripture. Morris and Whitcomb, in their book The Genesis Flood, estimate that there was enough room on the Ark for 35,000 sheep-size animals.

Ian Taylor, Creation Moments 31 Comments [2/12/2009 3:42:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Moondog

Quote# 58396

[from the thread about FSTDT]

They have my signature posted.

They got it all wrong, God invented the day not man. ;P
And why do they assume the sun must exist for there to be light?

Rinji, RR 29 Comments [2/12/2009 3:08:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Jadehawk

Quote# 58152

Is watching the super bowl keeping the sabbath day holy?
God and his prophets have warned us for thousands of years to keep the sabbath day holy. All religions even believe in keeping one day a week holy, the day is usually debateable. But my question is, when these players play and scream and go nuts and all other things related to super bowl sunday, is it breaking the Commandment that our god gave us a long time ago?

If you do think it is breaking the sabbath day, then what would you see as breaking our Lord's day?

jedashford, Yahoo! Answers 32 Comments [2/12/2009 2:48:37 AM]
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Quote# 58565

It's like 9/11 again except Obama is Mohamed Atta and the jet is our country. I just wonder how hard we will crash?

thechef71, Rapture Ready 48 Comments [2/12/2009 2:46:34 AM]
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Submitted By: Agrippina

Quote# 58300

first of all god is in control of everything even something as simple as a football game because he cares about his people. so if he cares about his people then he cares about the super bowl and kurt warner. maybe if we had more people like kurt then the world may not be in the shape its in. so i am proud that kurt has the courage to talk about the lord and how he (GOD) has meant so much in his life. i believe that people trying to take god out of not only sports but in all aspects of life has caused GOD to take a step back and allow things like 9/11 to happen so i think that god should be at the forefront of the super bowl. GOD BLESS!!!

docta41, Yahoo Sports 44 Comments [2/12/2009 2:39:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Orlor

Quote# 58572

Women are important in a man's life only if they're beautiful and charming and keep their femininity and... this business of feminism, for instance. What do these feminists want? What do you want? You say equality. Oh! I don't want to seem rude, but... you're equal in the eyes of the law but not, excuse my saying so, in ability... You've never produced a Michelangelo or a Bach. You've never even produced a great chef. And if you talk to me about opportunity, all I can say is, Are you joking? Have you ever lacked the opportunity to give history a great chef? You've produced nothing great, nothing!... You're schemers, you are evil. All of you.

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Quote 78 Comments [2/12/2009 2:35:20 AM]
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Quote# 58239

[This fundie blogger was doing laundry while watching a documentary on a man in a max-security prison who was on death row but had his sentence changed to life.]

As I folded a t-shirt I nodded knowingly, subconsciously reacting to his description in a spirit of camaraderie. I instinctively viewed him as someone with whom I had a shared, rare experience, knowing that the producer and the viewers of the show could never imagine what it was like because they hadn't been there like we had.

I stopped cold with a shirt half folded in my hand when I became aware of my reaction. Where did that come from? How on earth could I, a middle-class girl who's never even been to the county jail, have the faintest idea what a former death row penitentiary inmate was talking about?

And then I realized: because when I was an atheist, I lived on death row.

Jennifer F., Conversion Diary 60 Comments [2/12/2009 2:04:17 AM]
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Quote# 58568

People against homosexuality know that if it is allowed to continue, we will see the fall of a moral society and satanic utopia. We know the truth and you do too. You simply are not strong enough to put down such temptations and make excuses for your failures. Then you ask us to accept your failings, no, you may see the weak minded fall but the strong will not let you win. Future generations will see our plight as being for the good of humanity. They will see you as indolent and weak. Heterosexuality is how you were all born, why not payback the favor by being straight?

Justin Haynes, ANTI-Gay Marriage (Facebook) 35 Comments [2/12/2009 1:59:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Kimby

Quote# 58218

[a woman taking stock of her personal life]

Am I quiet and respectful in front of men, especially my husband? Am I training my children to be such to their father by my going before them in such a way? Are my gestures and speech submissive, loving, kind, easy to be entreated, longsuffering, and without answering again to my headship, my authority - my husband?
Do I guard myself from ambition? Do I remember that it is one of the greatest temptations to my sex? Do I remember that vanity, foolish talk, giddy behaviour runs in a woman’s heart if not checked.

Mrs. Nancy Moline, Young Women Stepping Heavenward 48 Comments [2/12/2009 1:56:34 AM]
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Submitted By: Traitor1

Quote# 58581

MAPUTO, Sept 26 (Reuters) - The head of the Catholic church in Mozambique said on Wednesday he believed some European-made condoms were deliberately tainted with the HIV/AIDS virus to kill African people.

"I know of two countries in Europe who are making condoms with (the) virus on purpose, they want to finish with African people as part of their programme to colonise the continent," Archbishop Francisco Chimoio told Reuters.

"If we are not careful we will finish in one century.

"I also know some companies who are manufacturing anti-retroviral drugs already infected with the virus, also in order to finish quickly the African people", Chimoio said.

He declined to name the European countries in question or the source of his allegations.

Catholic Church, Reuters 41 Comments [2/12/2009 1:54:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Les wood

Quote# 58513

In response to:
"For Pete's sake, if we left all civil-rights decisions up to "the people" interracial marriage would probably still be illegal. This is one of the reasons the Supreme Court and the Judicial Branch in general exists in the first place."

This is simply and completely false. I don't know of a single instance where a high court ruling was required in order to allow interracial marriage.

[Fundie has never heard of the landmark 1967 civil rights case Loving v. Virginia, which struck down all laws against interracial marriage.]

Plumb Bob, Daylight Atheism 21 Comments [2/12/2009 1:54:13 AM]
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Quote# 58132

I have lived and worked at a "church" owned camp for about 6 months now. (I am a high school science teacher in CA who was 'downsized', and took a camp job to support me and my daugher)The denomination who owns the camp was openly against Prop 8. My daughter and I attend a fundamental, evangelical church in town, and are not part of their denomination. During the campaign, my daughter (10 yr old), wrote in chalk on the camp pathway in front of our house, "Yes on 8" and "Jesus loves you", and "John 3:16". When the manager (not a Christian) saw the chalked words, he told me to remove them immediately! I did.

In my job evaluation in December, I was given a glowing review--God had blessed my work, camp was fully booked for the first time ever, and I had met and exceeded all my goals. The manager told me that he wanted me to be happy here and stay for at least the next 3 years. However, just 3 weeks ago I was surprised by a termination meeting with the Manager, Asst manager and Director of Camping (who is gay and drove 150 miles to terminate me himself). I was only given 3 weeks to find a new job and be out of the house.They claimed it was a budgetary lay off--however, one person here has offered to leave so that we can stay at least until the end of the school year for my daughter, but management has been adamant that we leave.

This feels and seems vindictive, especially, because they hired someone just a week later-- not to do my specific job, but to do work that I had also done, kitchen work. They did not give a 30 day notice, despite my minor child, and have not listened to requests to say in the house a month longer while I work and find a place to live. I can't help but wonder if it does not have to do, in part, to my support of Prop 8 and our willingness to be vocal about it. The denomination is also actively supportive of Mr. Obama.

I imagine we will all have more opportunity to speak out against the pressing evil that is promoted by Pres. Obama and his socialist cohorts. Dear Father, give us strength...

HindsFeet, Fulfilled Prophecy 37 Comments [2/12/2009 1:52:54 AM]
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Quote# 58151

How or why do you need to defend a Homosexual person?

They either want to change and sincerely want Jesus to help them do it, or they want to be like they are and have Jesus accept them like that.

That's all there is to it.

Paradigm, Rapture Ready 19 Comments [2/12/2009 1:45:50 AM]
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Submitted By: M.M.

Quote# 58559

The atheists here are the retards that can't be reasoned with. Hiding
behind an untreated mental condition called Tourette Syndrome, they
try to mask the obvious fact they actually suffer from low IQ. The
constant use of foul language and blasphemy is proof of that. They
resort to that calling it "debate" when it's simply a frantic reaction
to actual truth and knowledge by far most people on earth would not go
on record opposing with blasphemy. We can fix ignorance, but you can't
fix stupidity. It's pointless to try helping atheists. We can fix
cannibals, queers, sometimes the raging insane of humanity, child
molesters and other perverts with shock treatments, thieves, laziness
by not feeding them, but not atheists. They are far worse than all of
those troubled people. No, we can't reason with them at all.


Word_Swordsman, Google Groups 62 Comments [2/12/2009 12:42:48 AM]
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Quote# 58144

As a Catholic I know humans are warm blooded mammals. But we are not animals nor beasts. Through the evolution theory, we have evolved above animals, making us human BEINGS. No other animal species is a BEING. Through the creation story, we were created after all the animals, fish, birds and beasts. God gave us authority over the earth and all that is on it. So as I see it, no matter which way you look at how mankind can into existence, we are not animals. We are above them. We are beings. Our intelligent is above the animals.

With the process of evolution, why was it that only the apes evolved into beings?

orchidmg, Yahoo Answers 48 Comments [2/11/2009 10:44:58 PM]
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Submitted By: Orlor

Quote# 58317

Why do we persist teaching students the religion of atheistic humanism, under the guise of scientific, factual evolution? Which is neither scientific nor factual, when you only present one point of view.

Teaching students that they evolved and are nothing more than animals degrades their quality of life, and robs them of meaning and purpose for life. The twisted reasoning of humanism in seeking to exalt man, reduces him to an animal devoid of will and the ability to choose the virtuous. The fruits of this God-denying teaching are: lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts, and a reduction in academic achievement.

There is no factual scientific proof that functional complex life has arisen from disorder by chance. Who are you going to believe – God that was there, or men that weren’t?

[Please note David Muralt said this during a public hearing on the Texas State Science Standards as a speaker picked by the creationist board members who claim to have no religious agenda.]

David Muralt, Texas Freedom Network 28 Comments [2/11/2009 10:37:05 PM]
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Submitted By: Annabella

Quote# 58652

they are pitiful if all they got do do is this.Fundies people need to get a life.

I pray that all the people operating fundies will soon come to know who Jesus Christ is and then they will know why he is to be respected and honored. It's all coming to a head and we will see who is standing somehow I don't think they will be laughing. I believe the bible says crying and gnashing of teeth. The Lord is our defender of the faith and his word will stand forever. I do not believe there are actually aetheists they know deep down inside God is real they are just rebellious attention seekers.They can't see air but yet they trust it to substain them where do the crazy's think air comes ? molecules made by God .Their doctrine is so messed up thank God we have the Bible to substain us.

Hey fundies people I am Praying for You

queengina66, RR 65 Comments [2/11/2009 4:54:43 PM]
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