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Quote# 84087

According to the atheistic approach above, as far as I am concerned, he cannot say for sure that he knows that God does not exist, or he will be taken as a fool. So, he has no choice but to believe that God exists. If he knew for sure that God existed, he would not have to say that he believes in God. It stands the reason then, that atheists cannot be sure about anything or they will be taken by fools. In that case, he must believe that God exists, since he is not sure He does.

Ben Masada, CARM 74 Comments [10/2/2011 4:52:13 AM]
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Quote# 84081

Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish AIDS on them if what they have done is evil. Look at all the people that JTF gives the "yimach shmo" curse to. We are not intimately familiar with all of these people but we know they are evil--in this case they are supporting becoming intimately familiar anally with the wrong people. The policy makers who had a hand in embracing queer mongers (which includes removing the ban on sodomy that used to be in the UCMJ) are endorsing a PRACTICE that is forbidden to both Jews and Gentiles. In this case, they have done something bad to me, because they are corrupting my society and the defenders of it. Let's go back to basics for just a moment:

Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

As you can see, this position is straight out of the Torah, so there is nothing "fringe" about it. It's simply the truth. How do you think JTF or the Jewish people as a whole should accept or reject any principle or make any moral judgment whatsoever? The correct answer is if it is in line with G-d's will. And "evil" includes more practices than just wanting to destroy Israel, and homosexual relations is clearly one of them. Now maybe you are the type that picks and chooses which parts of the Torah you believe based on whatever you pull out of your tuchus (or put into your tuchus for that matter). But don't blame those of us who have a conscience and believe the whole thing. Also, talking the way I do does not make me look ugly. It makes me look exceedingly cool and inspires Jews to become more observant because if a Gentile can proudly believe in the Torah, then so can a Jew.

Dan Ben Noah, JTF.org 58 Comments [10/2/2011 4:44:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog
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Quote# 84070

I am an atheist of Jewish decent with no connection to Judaism. I just read the Old Testament (Holman Christian Standard Bible translation), which I guess you call the Torah. I loved the book, it is my favorite book now. But now I have a question about what I read.

The second half of the Old Testament is mostly about the fall of Israel to Babylon. This was certainly a holocaust. When I compare it to the recent (WW2) holocaust, I see them as very similar. My question is why Jews view them so differently?

The reason for the first holocaust was that Israel had become corrupt. Israel had absorbed the false beliefs of the surrounding cultures, and had lost all moral integrity. As a result, Israel was punished. This was in fact a good thing because Israel needed to be purified. A corrupt culture should be destroyed and one can hope that the remnant will become good. The Bible says that both the righteous and the wicked were punished in this holocaust, and this is inevitable when there is such violence.

I see the recent holocaust as being more or less the same story. The Jews absorbed and participated in the Liberal culture of Europe. Liberalism is no better than worshipping Baal. The vast majority of the Jews in Europe had absorbed Liberalism, just as most Jews before the fall to Babylon worshipped Baal. The Wiemar Republic was a particularly liberal society which incorporated many Jews. The liberal Jews lost all morality and were/are basically corrupt. The Nazis played the same role that Babylon had played in the earlier holocaust.

The main difference between these two holocausts in my mind is that modern Jews have misunderstood the recent holocaust. They portray themselves as victims without accepting any responsibility for their participation in Liberalism. While I bring up the issue of why there is this difference mostly for curiosity, there is a practical point here. If Jews don't learn the right lesson, then history will repeat itself soon and there will be yet another holocaust. I would prefer that that be avoided.

fschmidt, CoAlpha Brotherhood 89 Comments [10/2/2011 4:39:00 AM]
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Quote# 84069

A teenage girl thought by her father to have been possessed by an ‘evil spirit’ died from suffocation in an exorcism, it has been reported.

Tomomi Maishigi’s father and a monk performed a ‘waterfall service’ on the 13-year-old where she was allegedly bound to a chair by a belt and placed face-up underneath a water pump for five minutes at a Buddhist church in Kumamoto, south Japan.

The pair - 56-year-old monk Kazuaki Kinoshita and the girl's 50-year-old father Atsushi Maishigi - were arrested yesterday on charges of inflicting injury resulting in the death following the ritual.

According to the Mainichi Daily News, her father held her down under the falling water while the monk chanted sutras in the early hours of 27 August.

When the victim fell unconscious, they called an ambulance but she was later pronounced dead.

Kumamoto Prefectural Police said that after the incident which took place last month the teenager died of suffocation.

The girl had undergone the ritual a hundred times before since March, police also said.

Mr Maishigi reportedly claimed that his daughter was possessed and found the monk to perform the ritual to exorcise the demons so she could get better. But she resisted and became violent.

“Our actions were aimed at exorcising evil spirits from her and were not physical abuse," the men were quoted as telling investigators,” the men reportedly told police.

Tomomi had suffered from mental and physical illness since she was a senior-grade primary school student, and had not attended school since April.

A spokesperson for the Nakayamashingoshoshu's (a sect of Buddhism) main temple in Kiyama said: “The water rite is done to bring one's wishes to reality, but of course you cannot exorcise with it. We also do not instruct to bound the arms and legs when doing the ritual.”

Atsushi Maishigi, Yahoo News 59 Comments [10/2/2011 4:38:18 AM]
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Quote# 84062

A Saudi woman has been sentenced to be lashed 10 times with a whip for defying the kingdom's prohibition on female drivers, the first time a legal punishment has been handed down for a violation of the longtime ban in the ultraconservative Muslim nation.

Normally, police just stop female drivers, question them and let them go after they sign a pledge not to drive again. But dozens of women have continued to take to the roads since June in a campaign to break the taboo.

Making Tuesday's sentence all the more upsetting to activists is that it came just two days after King Abdullah promised to protect women's rights and decreed that women would be allowed to participate in municipal elections in 2015. Abdullah also promised to appoint women to a currently all-male advisory body known as the Shura Council.

The mixed signals highlight the challenge for Abdullah, known as a reformer, in pushing gently for change without antagonizing the powerful clergy and a conservative segment of the population.

Abdullah said he had the backing of the official clerical council. But activists saw Tuesday's sentencing as a retaliation of sorts from the hard-line Saudi religious establishment that controls the courts and oversees the intrusive religious police.

"Our king doesn't deserve that," said Sohila Zein el-Abydeen, a prominent female member of the governmental National Society for Human Rights. She burst into tears in a phone interview and said, "The verdict is shocking to me, but we were expecting this kind of reaction."

The driver, Shaima Jastaina, in her 30s, was found guilty of driving without permission, activist Samar Badawi said. The punishment is usually carried out within a month. It was not possible to reach Jastaina, but Badawi, in touch with Jastaina's family, said she appealed the verdict.

Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that bans women — both Saudi and foreign — from driving. The prohibition forces families to hire live-in drivers, and those who cannot afford the $300 to $400 a month for a driver must rely on male relatives to drive them to work, school, shopping or the doctor.

Saudi Arabian clerics, The Canadian Press 61 Comments [10/1/2011 5:26:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Brendan Rizzo
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