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Quote# 84851

(Atheists are doing billboards for the holiday season)

"Atheists are the most illogical people on the planet. They say there is no God yet they always try and fight him so hard with nonsense like this?

They say the Lord Jesus Christ is a myth yet he is a historical figure recorded in Jewish antiquity and Roman records? Thousands of witnesses recorded in scripture have seen him and Jesus apostles who are recorded figures in history as well has SEEN HIM RAISED FROM THE DEAD [Even after forsaking him when he was captured and hiding from the world yet months later the same followers of Jesus who abandoned him BOLDLY WENT BACK AND PREACHED JESUS IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD IN THE FACE OF DEATH]!

And how ironic for them to say that Satan is a myth when the Atheist serve him and don't even know it. These same people who say Satan doesn't exist are the same ones that say "there is no evil" or moral absolutes. [Yeah we know these are outright lies; the Devil is a liar]" Have they heard of Hitler? Stalin? Sung? Genocide going on in the world today? Slavery is bigger than it's ever been in HISTORY thanks to human sex traffickin­g.

Where in the world do you think OUR sinful/evi­l nature came from? There can be no temptation without a tempter, no effect without cause. This all came from Satan, why? because he was the first to sin from the beggining (sic)."

godsgifttonature, Huffington Post 60 Comments [11/19/2011 6:17:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Stormwarden

Quote# 84845

I have been reading some really interesting dialogue lately between Christians and atheists. For the most part, I've read some great questions and thoughts. Most of what I have read from atheists seems to argue that logic demands that the Christian faith is a farce, or at least highly improbable. I don't seek to address that thought per se, but to take a step back and look at the concept of logic as a starting point. Forgive me for a broad generalization, but it seems that most atheists arguing against the Christian faith are arguing, ultimately, that logic is king. I don't see many atheists arguing that the story of Jesus isn't beautiful. Or that Scripture isn't poetic. Or that Christians are incapable of love. It always comes down to logic. "The Christian faith isn't logical. It can't be true."

I have a thought on this: What if the corridor of "logic" is not the path through which we are intended to arrive at what is "true"? Some people start from a paradigm that says, "Whatever is most logical is most likely to be true," and, for many, their end point is atheism or agnosticism. But what if, rather than logic being king, we were to allow beauty, or poetry, or love to be "king"? Would we find the story and the claims of Christ to be easier to accept? This is not to disregard logic as useless, but to see it merely as a mode of thinking which could potentially be pitted against beauty, or poetry, or love, etc. as a litmus test for what is "true".

So, is the Christian faith "true"? Yes, I believe so. And for me, it is true because it is the most beautiful concept I have ever encountered, Scripture is the most poetic account I have ever read, and Christ displays the highest level of love that I can imagine. I am compelled to embrace Jesus not because I have been argued to Him logically, but because I am drawn to Him as one is drawn to a sunset or to a beautiful song or an act of compassion. Logic has a place in my faith, but it is secondary to beauty, and poetry, and love.

This is where I stand right now. Tomorrow, I may have to re-evaluate my position. But I value your input and your critiques.

TL:DR - For me, beauty, poetry, and love trump logic. This is what draws me to Jesus.

ApologeticKid, reddit.com 100 Comments [11/18/2011 10:47:45 AM]
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Quote# 84795

Evolutionists assume that adding energy (open system) will overcome the 2nd law of thermodynamics. But the fact of the matter is, is that this is not true.
The Japanese added lots of energy to Pearl Harbor in 1941, and did not organize any thing.

Christian Clingman, Facebook 65 Comments [11/18/2011 10:45:06 AM]
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Quote# 84849

On June 4, Nashville, Tenn., police responded to a complaint regarding traveling evangelist and self-proclaimed “prophetess” Glynis Bethel, who had allegedly pepper-sprayed a woman who was protesting her anti-gay preaching. When an officer moved in to arrest Bethel, she pepper-sprayed him, too.

Out on bond three days later, Bethel posted a press release accusing police of violating her First, Second, Fourth and 14th Amendment rights. “I would prefer to be beaten and to die than to allow these wicked and evil Nashville police officers and white racist bigots to get away with breaking the laws they are supposed to be upholding,” wrote Bethel, who is black. “Romans Chapter 13 states that it is our duty to bear the sword upon evil doers and this Bible scripture doesn’t exempt corrupt po-lice.”

The prophetess, who with her husband, “Apostle” Orlando Bethel, leads the Baldwin County, Ala.-based Repent or Burn in Hell Ministries, is a well-known figure in certain circles in the southeastern United States. Together with their three teenage children (who are the ministry’s only members), the Bethels travel from town to town, denouncing “sinners” and exploring the outer limits of their First Amendment rights. Their self-described “fire and brimstone” preaching, which especially targets gay people, along with “fornicators,” “whoremongers” and abortion clinics, has led to countless arrests – usually on charges of disorderly conduct, protesting without a permit or public obscenity. “It’s a curse,” Orlando Bethel said of homosexuality in an interview posted on YouTube. “It’s just like a disease, leprosy. It’s something that’s used as a judgment of God on a person because, basically, of their rebellion against him.”

Not surprisingly, the Bethels are often compared to Kansas’ much-reviled Westboro Baptist Church, which is best known for picketing funerals with signs captioned with insults such as “God Hates Fags” and, like Repent or Burn in Hell Ministries, is largely composed of a single family. But while Westboro — whose ranks include a number of highly skilled lawyers who recently won a First Amendment case in the Supreme Court — limits its legal crusade to free speech rights, the Bethels (who do not possess law degrees but are experienced pro se litigators) take a more expansive view of how the Constitution protects their right to evangelize.

“It says ‘the right to keep and bear arms,’” Orlando Bethel told the Intelligence Report in a reference to the Second Amendment. “Not keep it in your closet. To bear it.” Complaining about the Baldwin County sheriff’s denial of his wife’s 2009 petition for a concealed carry permit, supposedly on the grounds that she had a “grievance with government,” he said, “I thought that was funny because that was the original intent of the Second Amendment.”

It is exactly this kind of language that worries Baldwin County Sheriff Huey “Hoss” Mack, who has been dealing with the Bethels since they arrived about 10 years ago. At first, Mack told the Report, the ministry seemed little more than a nuisance. But, he said, “It has escalated. The amount of aggravation and the amount of contact with public officials as well as those in the legal system has increased and [they have] become more confrontational. … There is a legitimate concern that if it continues to escalate, how far will it go?”

Glynis & Orlando Bethel, Southern Poverty Law Center 65 Comments [11/18/2011 10:44:22 AM]
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Quote# 84836

* Atheists use circular logic to "disprove" the existence of God. That is, they presuppose that God does not exist and then argue that all proofs for the existence of God must be flawed because He does not exist. Christians can use presuppositional apologetics to break the circle of the atheists' circular reasoning.

* Muslims also use circular logic to defend the Qur'an. They argue that the Qur'an is true because it is the Word of Allah, that it is the Word of Allah because it says so, and that we can rely on it because it is true. This is completely different from why the Bible is true.

* Evolutionists will claim that a fossil is millions of years old because that is the date given by radiometric dating; then state that it is reliable because they "know" that the fossil is millions of years old due to the strata in which it was found; additionally because the radiometric dating methods agree with each other, and date correctly materials which were historically dated by humans.

Conservapedia, Conservapedia 87 Comments [11/17/2011 5:19:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Tom S. Fox

Quote# 84816

(Responding to a blog post about a husband and wife being harassed by pro-life protesters as they walk into an abortion clinic)

abstinence is the only 100% way to make sure this does not happen. The left wingers love population control so much I am not sure of their reason for not adopting absitience. Oh, wait. I know. sex outside of marriage is a sin. That’s right. They love evil more than anything. Anything that’s considered bad, they love it.

Canada is a beautiful country, but is a country filled with arrogant communists and ditatorial fascists. There is plenty of extremism in canada – inside the government! There is no way in hell I could live in canada. I could not tolerate being around that many marxists. I would rather die free in America than live in your Karl marx hell. The worst thing Canada ever done was allow radical leftists marxists take over the country. That is happening in America but thanks to very few people in the media, American, through the tea party is waking up and throwing these sick perverts out. It would be even better if socialism could be made a felony in America and those cought trying it could be stripped of their citizenship and deported to the south pole. Maybe the tea party members can make it happen. I hope so. America has been on the decline since the late 1800s when that pesky freakshow nutjob Karl marx was born. They should have aborted him.

Captain patriot, The Daddy Files 104 Comments [11/16/2011 4:15:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Wykked Wytch

Quote# 84812

[Waterboarding] used to be an interrogation technique that worked, but don't forget that not only did 0bama nix it, he also made public that it was never intended to actually kill those it was being used on. In fact, right after 0 let the cat out of the bag, the terrorist organizations started prepping their fellow jihadists on how to withstand it without giving up any information. So, unless they actually intend to use it as a method of possibly killing someone, it's useless now.

SummerSailing81, RR 90 Comments [11/16/2011 4:14:49 AM]
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Quote# 84802

God may have impressed it on Cain and Bauckman to run, I don’t know, I didn’t hear either one of them say God told them they were going to win though. Cain did say he was in it to win, that‘s a little different than God told me I was gonna win isn’t it. There are times when God will put us in something to lose as well as win, both are in His plans and purposes. Of course there are times when people think God told them something but He really didn’t! When God tells anyone something for real, they can take it to the bank, it’s a done deal! I believe God has an interest in who is our president and I think God gave us Obama for a purpose and Obama thinks he won because he is so smart and smooth. Yes even sometimes God uses the bad things for His purposes! The devil also uses people, God will win in the end, God is waiting for everyone to close sides before He sounds the final horn that the game is over! No one knows the day or the hour but it certainly appears that we could be in 4th quarter with very little time on the clock! Watch and be ready! Choose this day whom you will serve! How long will people be stuck between two opinions?

GaryM, The Blaze 62 Comments [11/15/2011 4:27:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Damned at Random

Quote# 84798

In truth, evolutionists should be even more ardent opponents of homosexual behavior than evangelical Christians, for one simple reason: homosexuals cannot propagate.

And evolution is supposed to be all about the survival of the species. For a true believer in evolution, homosexuality represents an evolutionary degrade, an lunge backward, an evolutionary nightmare, evidence of a species that is de-evolving and headed toward extinction.

For true Darwinists, homosexual behavior must be stopped its tracks so the great cosmic dance of life can continue in its inexorable climb toward evolutionary perfection.

So unless a Darwinist is a raving, irrational, self-contradictory hypocrite, he will oppose the normalization of homosexual behavior with every fiber of his being.

But I’m not holding my breath and neither should you. Since the theory of evolution is both morally and scientifically bankrupt, it should not surprise us that its devotees are as well.

Bryan Fischer, Rightly Concerned 100 Comments [11/14/2011 3:48:26 AM]
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Quote# 84796

"I can ask an atheist if they are an animal, and either way they answer they are being illogical based on their worldview.

If they say yes, they are an animal, then they must justify why they don’t act like an animal. They set their alarm clock, get up in the morning, look in the mirror, take as shower, get dressed, and drive to work. They live like there are morals, ethics, purpose and meaning. They consider themselves a person.

If they say no, they aren’t an animal then they are illogical in their position because if there is no God and evolution is true then there is no reason why they wouldn’t be animals.

As a Christian I have a valid reason for not being an animal.

God Bless


I ain't no monkey, Theology Online 87 Comments [11/14/2011 3:48:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Skavau

Quote# 84783

Man tells police he set fire because of Satan

LYNNWOOD -- Convinced that he was sharing a motel room with Satan, a man set his blankets ablaze in Lynnwood on Friday, according to what he told police.


The man told police that he set the room on fire because Satan was in there, according to the affidavit. He reportedly said he wanted to protect "the good people" by setting the fire.


Hotel officials told police the man had repeatedly called hotel employees the "anti-Christ" and "spawns of Satan."

Hotel management had asked the man to move out the day of the fire.

Anonymous man, The Herald 40 Comments [11/13/2011 5:00:07 PM]
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Submitted By: Wykked Wytch

Quote# 84705

Isn’t it such a Wittgensteinian thing to equate “sodomy” with a civil right?

Marxists bastardize language——twist words-—Homosexual should NEVER be allowed to exist along side the word “marriage” like for centuries. It is obscene and ugly idea that is trying to be “normalized” so we can rid the world of the Bible and the true God.

All in a Marxist minute——redefinition of words—like abortion=pro-choice, etc. is to make some despicable behavior and choice appear “normal” and “natural”. There is nothing normal and natural about sodomy. It is an evil act.

Disgusting. The Blacks should be outraged. Behaviors that are destructive to humans should be outlawed like sodomy has been for hundreds of years.

savagesusie, Free Republic 70 Comments [11/13/2011 4:55:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 84677

Male and female together combined provide us a facet of who God is, a more holistic way than only one sex involved, so when sexual activity is engaged in we see a fuller range of who God is, it helps to balance out the two sexes. One of the reasons that we see such a high incidence of measurable harm in male homosexual and female homosexual unions is we don’t have in those unions the balancing influence of the other sex. So in the case of male homosexual unions, you have a higher incidence of sexually transmitted infections, much lower rate of monogamy, because basically what you have is male sexuality ratcheted up without a taming influence of a woman in the process. Whereas for female homosexual relationships you see a higher incidence of mental illness issues and lower longevity of the relationship generally, I think because women place more value in terms of their self-worth, their identity, their security in a relationship of this sort. And when two women put the same high demands on each other, without the balancing of a masculine influence, again it leads to shorter terms unions on average and higher mental health issues that are involved.

Robert Gagnon, Right Wing Watch 42 Comments [11/13/2011 4:55:26 PM]
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Quote# 84673

Death: the number one aphrodisiac for the soulless deviant.

Genocide / eugenics is a plank of “socialism”, as is butt sex, pedophilia, baby butchering and love of muzzies. Remember, the muzzies renamed Persia Iran (Aryan) for Hitler, as a warm and fuzzy thank you for killing 6-mil jews.

Murdering birds of a feather…… anyone up for more Mao ornaments on the WH satanic tree this year? Dead millions – yummers – let’s CELEBRATE!!

Since unborn humans are not REAL, why don’t the lefties make lamp shades out of them? Why hide the corpses??? ENLIGHTEN US.

Carmen, Moonbattery 63 Comments [11/13/2011 4:55:21 PM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 84762

[Mississippi Lt. Gov. Phil Bryant responds to opponents of the Personhood Amendment which would legally define fertilized eggs as people.]

No one was as upset as lieutenant governor Phil Bryant, despite the fact that the same polling which found Personhood too close to call also predicted he would be elected governor of Mississippi today. "You've heard some very complex television and radio ads lately that say that these men here and many of the women that join us... somehow want to do harm to women," he fumed. "Let's just call it what it is, it's wild and crazy. But that's what the other side must do whenever we stand up for life and say, it's simple, that child in the womb after conception has the same basic human rights as you and I."

Bryant went so far as to compare the issue to the Holocaust and the Jews of Nazi Germany "being marched into the oven," because of "the people who were in charge of the government at that time." He described the ballot measure as "a battle of good or evil," and warned, "the evil dark side that exists in this world is taking hold. And they're saying, what we want you to be able to do is continue to extinguish innocent life. You see, if we could do that, Satan wins."

Phil Bryant, Political Correction 72 Comments [11/11/2011 9:22:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 84761

[re: evidence of God]

The very concept of evidence is evidence that God exists. Show me the evidence that claims require evidence in order to be valid WITHOUT presupposing that they do.

SyeTenb, Pharyngula 70 Comments [11/11/2011 9:21:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 84759

So Christian theologians of all stripes have to face the challenge posed by animal pain. Here recent studies in biology have provided surprising, new insights into this old problem. In his book Nature Red in Tooth and Claw: Theism and the Problem of Animal Suffering, Michael Murray distinguishes three levels in an ascending pain hierarchy (read from the bottom up):

Level 3: a second order awareness that one is oneself experiencing (2).

Level 2: a first order, subjective experience of pain.

Level 1: information-bearing neural states produced by noxious stimuli resulting in aversive behavior.

Spiders and insects—the sort of creatures most exhibiting the kinds of behavior mentioned by Ayala—experience (1). But there's no reason at all to attribute (2) to such creatures. It's plausible that they aren't sentient beings at all with some sort of subjective, interior life. That sort of experience plausibly does not arise until one gets to the level of vertebrates in the animal kingdom. But even though animals like dogs, cats, and horses experience pain, nevertheless the evidence is that they do not experience level (3), the awareness that they are in pain. For the awareness that one is oneself in pain requires self-awareness, which is centered in the pre-frontal cortex of the brain—a section of the brain which is missing in all animals except for the humanoid primates. Thus, amazingly, even though animals may experience pain, they are not aware of being in pain. God in His mercy has apparently spared animals the awareness of pain. This is a tremendous comfort to us pet owners. For even though your dog or cat may be in pain, it really isn't aware of it and so doesn't suffer as you would if you were in pain.

William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith 99 Comments [11/11/2011 9:19:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Draken

Quote# 84757

which is why we have to win next year, we have to gain power in congress and the white house.

We need all the power to overturn insane policies like overturning DADT before it destroys DOMA.
Investigations need to be done into how the DOJ and Holder used their power to further their racist views and how Holder etc put into place a dept which targeted whites while ignoring black radicals, hispanic radical and illegals.

We also need investigations into how this corrupt pro queer cross dressing media worked to get zero elected and worked to keep him there.

I want to see names and those put into court, Wolf Blitzer, Christianna Ammanpour, Matthews etc

manc, Free Republic 36 Comments [11/11/2011 9:18:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 84734

"How do you know that a god is the source of logic?"

He told us.

"How do you know that a god is the only possible source of logic?"

He told us.

"How do you know that this god is the Christian god?"

He told us.

"I contend that you know none of these, and only argue from abject ignorance and lack of imagination."

Prove your claim please.

"Prove me wrong."

The very concept of proof presupposes God. Proof requires logic, knowledge and truth, none of which can be accounted for outside of God.

SyeTenb, Pharyngula 75 Comments [11/10/2011 2:59:51 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 84733

We say that God is the beginning of knowledge. Without Him, we cannot know anything. We say therefore that the Bible is true because it is God’s Word because it says it is true. This may be considered circular, but where does the basis of logic come from that has defined circular arguments specifically?

KST, Pharyngula 40 Comments [11/10/2011 2:59:37 PM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

Quote# 84714

["What does your “spirituality” have to do with Darwin and ToE [Theory of Evolution]?"]

Absolutely nothing. Darwin just wanted to demonstrate his deep love for his ape brothers and sisters, much like most of you do. During his famous voyage, he must have had many opportunities to try out various sexual positions with both male and female apes. I guess he tried birds and small animals like rabbits as well. But maybe he killed them. So, the only succussful mating he could have achieved would have been with his primate ape brothers and sisters. This is how TOE came about…

[Emphasis added]

kohldamunga, Pharyngula 96 Comments [11/9/2011 4:20:05 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar

The 'Needs a New Shtick' Award

He got Disproportionate Retribution last time.

Quote# 84710

[A Christian pastor may be executed in Iran.]

Lets, for once, give them an ultimatum. You off that Christian pastor, and we will off 10 of your Imams/Clerics and bomb 25 of your terrorists Mosque, world wide.

You camel fukers want a fight, so, lets get it on.

We'll meet you in Dearborn, Michigan, diaper head.

BUCKEYEPETE, Where Liberty Dwells 115 Comments [11/9/2011 4:18:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Rabbit of Caerbannog

Quote# 84689

Therefore, whenever natural causes disturb otherwise typical biological development, leading to the personally unchosen beginnings of same-sex attraction, the ultimate responsibility, on a theological level, is and should be imputed to the evil one, not God.

* * *

In other words, the scientific evidence of how same-sex attraction most likely may be created provides a credible basis for a spiritual explanation that indicts the devil. Any time natural disasters occur, we as people of faith look back to Scripture's account of those angels who rebelled and fell from grace. In their anger against God, these malcontents prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. They continue to do all they can to mar, distort and destroy God's handiwork.

Daniel Avila, Right Wing Watch 67 Comments [11/8/2011 4:30:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Burning Stake

Quote# 84682

(On whether natural miscarriage justifies abortion.)

Even in atheist fever swamps, the belief that the natural occurrence of an act justifies the intentional commission of an act has rarely if ever been accepted. Even Stalin (a faithful atheist) didn't justify the Holodomor by asserting 'Hey, a lot of Ukranians die naturally, so what's the problem with starving a few million of them?'. Even atheists aren't so depraved as to invoke natural death to justify intentional killing. Except, it seems, in the abortion debate.


The afterlife will bring good that justifies the bad. If we are to understand the whole of good and evil, we must consider the eternity of man's existence. If a miscarried child enjoys eternity in heaven with God, then the net effect of the miscarriage is good, not evil.

Michael Egnor, Egnorance 73 Comments [11/7/2011 8:15:24 AM]
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Submitted By: storymoron

Quote# 84679

Since we know that God exists and that fact to be certain simply because without God we CAN’T KNOW ANYTHING, that is the very reason why we are on this blog trying to help Atheists realize this.

KST, Pharyngula 63 Comments [11/7/2011 8:14:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Night Jaguar
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