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Quote# 85468

HILDALE, Washington County — As the year comes to an end and the followers of Warren Jeffs await the apocalypse he has predicted, they're living under a challenging edict: they're forbidden to have sex until Jeffs is sprung from a Texas prison.

"He has predicted that the walls in the prison where he's at will fall and crumble," said Joni Holm, who has many relatives in the polygamous FLDS faith.

According to Holm, Fundamentalist LDS Church members also face their faith's most severe punishment, excommunication, if they conceive a child.

It's one of the strangest edicts in a season full of them. Jeffs has issued a stream of revelations, prophecies and orders to his congregation in the border community of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz.

The recent edicts from Jeffs' prison cell seem to be having two contradictory effects. Many are leaving the FLDS faith in disgust. Those who stay are reported to be increasingly devoted to a man who is serving a lifetime sentence for raping underage girls.

According to numerous critics and outside observers, the imprisoned FLDS leader has sometimes acted through his brother Lyle and other times has spoken directly to his congregation over the phone from prison. He recently banned many of the things his followers enjoy: bicycles, ATVs, trampolines, even children's toys. But the sex edict reaches into the bedrooms of all his devoted followers.

According to Holm, Jeffs declared all existing marriages to be void.

"Right now they have all been told that they are not to live as husband and wife," Holm said. "They can live in the same house, but they are not to have sexual relationships until Warren comes out and 'reseals' them."

Warren Jeffs, Deseret News 67 Comments [1/9/2012 4:01:24 AM]
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Quote# 85523

Islam doesn't have long to go before the Tribulation and it has a long way to go before it can take over many European Countries. They will be used for sure in these last days. They are here to antagonise the world to be a thorn in our flesh and to act as a catalyst for some prophet events that must come.

We will be raptured out of here before the worst happens. I really think Islam has to be stopped in it's tracks for the peace that enables the Third Temple to be built. Until then they will keep pushing, planning, plotting and trying to breed their way into world dominion. Little do they know the Messiah Jesus the Jewish/Christian Jesus is about to come and RULE the world.

I don't fear the Muslims they are just pawns in this whole End Times Prophecy events and they don't even know it.

Mitsy, Rapture Ready 61 Comments [1/8/2012 5:15:03 AM]
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Quote# 85517

It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject [evolution] in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?

-Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? How was it determined how many bonds each element would have for combining with other elements?

-How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?

-Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from? ... They could not have developed from the elements, because elements rarely react with each other. For example, did all the salt in the ocean form by sodium reacting with chlorine (a gas)? Therefore almost all compounds had to have been created as compounds. When did all the compounds we find in the world develop—before the big bang, during the big bang, after the big bang? When evolutionists use the term “matter,” which of the thousands of compounds is included? When evolutionists use the term “primordial soup,” which of the elements and compounds is included?

Robert Congelliere, Creation Today 113 Comments [1/8/2012 5:12:02 AM]
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Quote# 85516

Planned Parenthood: A Holocaust on Our Dime Every Three Years

These bleak times of Hopey Change are a golden era for Planned Parenthood. According to its latest annual report, the outfit received almost half a $billion of other people’s money coercively acquired by Big Government. In return, it killed a third of a million children.

According to its latest annual report, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) received $487.4 million in tax dollars over a twelve-month period and performed 329,455 abortions.

Thanks to generous subsidies from our federal overlords, the abortion industry is big business:

The Fiscal Year 2009-2010 annual report also shows that PPFA’s net assets as of June 30, 2010 topped $1 billion, specifically $1,009,600,000.00.

As Sad Hill News points out, it only takes Planned Parenthood about three years to kill as many children as died in the Holocaust.

But since we’ve already been born, we don’t have to worry about liberals’ sneering contempt for the value of innocent life. At least, not for now.

Dave Blount, Moonbattery 55 Comments [1/8/2012 4:56:04 AM]
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Quote# 85509

Pat Robertson says God has told him who the next president will be — but it’s a secret.

The televangelist revealed on Tuesday that he had spent the nearly a week in prayer, asking God to “show me something.”

“I think He showed me the next president, but I’m not supposed to talk about that,” Robertson explained. “So I’ll leave you in the dark — probably just as well — I think I’ll know who it will be.”

[...]

“He is saying you will have worse stress than before. So I’m saying, ‘God, let me give you some suggestions and you tell me if any of them is right, pick one,’” Robertson explained. “I said, ‘Is it an EMP blast? No that isn’t it. Is it a cosmic or solar or radiation blast? No. Is it Mayan galaxy alignment? No. Is it Iranian or North Korean nuclear threat? No. Is it an earthquake or a volcano? No. Is it a massive power failure? No.’”

“What is it? It’s an economic collapse,” the conservative leader finally disclosed. “And God said, ‘This is not my judgment, they are bringing it upon themselves.’”

Pat Robertson, The Raw Story 74 Comments [1/7/2012 11:11:28 AM]
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Quote# 85504

[Gingrich suggested that implantation, not conception, should mark the line for when life begins.]

The independent existence of the United States began with just such an account of ideas: the self-evident truths and unalienable rights America’s founders held to be the basis of just government.

Of all the candidates on the GOP stage, a professor of American history such as Newt Gingrich is the one we’d least expect to speak without regard for this fact. That’s especially true when he is speaking about the issue (respect for the unalienable human right to life) that in our day most explicitly raises the question of the nation’s adherence to those Declaration principles. Mr. Gingrich is well aware of the fact that the American revolutionaries who promulgated the Declaration looked to the Creator as the origin and source of human life, and to “the laws of nature and of Nature’s God” as the source of each individual’s unalienable right to life. Yet in his answer to the question “When does life begin?” he makes no reference to God’s creation. He speaks as if the issue of the beginning of human life is simply a matter of human opinion; what Newt Gingrich, or Alan Keyes, or any other merely human being thinks about it.

Mr. Gingrich treats the issue of respect for life as if it is simply a matter of personal opinion. In such merely human contentions, the strongest opinion (which usually means the opinion of the strongest) is most likely to rule. If the contest comes to blows, this means military strength. Or it may mean wealth, or the force of greater numbers. If, however, the right and wrong of it depends on a will that transcends human power (which is what the Declaration of Independence declares), then a right judgment about when life begins cannot be made without reference to that will...

The moment when life is present is therefore God’s decision. It does not depend on our will and decision, but on His. As we cannot claim to be privy to all the workings of God’s mind, we cannot claim to know with certainty how or when His decision is made. In that respect life is like a manuscript prepared in secret, which we can read only after it is published in a form accessible to our understanding. As human beings come more and more to decode and understanding the language in which it is conveyed, we can better ascertain which is the first page; the first sentence; the first word of that publication.

There was no doubt a time when human comprehension of life’s beginning went no further than the moment of the child’s emergence into the world at birth. But today’s scientific techniques allow us to read signs once invisible to our mind’s eye. We can make out the male and female information that combine into one expression of humanity at the very moment of physical conception.

In light of this greater understanding, and contrary to Mr. Gingrich’s assertion to Jake Tapper, the Declaration’s account of the source of human life leaves no “extraordinary range of very difficult questions.” At the moment of physical conception God’s manuscript is already done, His program for each human being complete. Faced with a fact of undeniable human nature, justice demands that we respect the right as God has determined it. We have no more leeway to disregard this right in others, because of our opinion of their physical condition, than others have on that same account to disregard it in us. This is the first fruit of what it means to say we are all “created equal.”

Given his academic background, I find it hard to believe that Mr. Gingrich has never considered this reasoning.

Alan Keyes, Loyal to Liberty 36 Comments [1/7/2012 11:01:06 AM]
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Quote# 85503

['Pizza Ranch' is a Christian restaurant whose vision is "to glorify God by positively impacting the world we live in".]

By Friday night I was caught up to everyone else who had been working on applying for the last two months. It was definitely a God-thing to walk in and walk out with a job!

I feel so privileged to get to work in a brand new restaurant that still smells like wood and fresh paint, to be part of the team that gets to set high standards in this not-even-open-yet franchise branch, and to work in a place where God is hung on our walls right in the front door where you come in, big and bold in our vision statement. God is good. I get to sing along to my favorite Christian artists (Casting Crowns) as I clean the buffet glass because we play either country or Christian radio. I work in a team, and I am getting to know some of the other girls. I work in an atmosphere where we smile and build each other up. I work in a family-friendly restaurant (that doesn't serve alcohol) where I'll be able to interact with lots of kids. I get to serve people and make them happy! I get to bring out their favorite kind of pizza!

We have a higher calling than just making pizza and chicken. As we learned when we watched a video made by Chic-fil-A - on a computer that was on a chair which was stacked on top of a table... great makeshift movie theatre there! - it's about serving, about making a difference in our communities. As our mission statement says, Pizza Ranch is a ministry opportunity to give our guests our very best - Legendary service! And I get to work in such a place as this. God is good!

We open on Monday.

I get to be the first one to welcome the guests to Pizza Ranch!

Naomi, Fragmented Pieces 103 Comments [1/7/2012 11:00:44 AM]
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Quote# 85497

Scuffles have broken out between rival groups of Greek Orthodox and Armenian clerics in a turf war at Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity.

Bemused tourists looked on as about 100 priests fought with brooms while cleaning the church in preparation for Orthodox Christmas, on 7 January.

Palestinian police armed with batons and shields broke up the clashes.

Groups of priests have clashed before in the church, built on the spot where Christians believe Jesus was born.

"It was a trivial problem that... occurs every year," Bethlehem police Lt-Col Khaled al-Tamimi told Reuters.

"No one was arrested because all those involved were men of God," he said.

Nobody was seriously injured in the scuffles, according to the police.

Previous clashes between the denominations which share the administration of the church have been sparked by perceived encroachments on one group's territory by another.

Priests in Bethlehem, BBC News 59 Comments [1/6/2012 4:11:13 AM]
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Quote# 85493

I just remember my dad talking about my dead sister and he never shed a tear in front of me, although it nearly destroyed him. He was a stoic person—I never saw him shed a tear in my entire life until my mother died and he came to tell me she had died. He had nearly been killed in an automobile accident that left him limping for the rest of his life and in a lot of pain—crushed his foot—never complained and certainly never cried about it.

He was a true man of character and I have to admit—I do compare men to my father who grew up on a farm, got a scholarship to play football, and graduated from high school at age 16. Fought in WWII and loved Ronald Reagan. He owned his own business and hated the worthless hippies and unions.

This idea that you have to show your emotions—don’t hold them in-—is a bunch of hogwash and psychological babble to create people of weak character. Reducing men to emotional women.....is culturally learned. Stoicism is also learned and practiced-—as is character. Aristotle even knew this. Life is all about learning to control your emotions....two year olds even learn that. Just saying——it is the nature of women to be emotional —to be nurturers and emotionally attached and protective of babies. Men are the protectors and have to guard against emotions which make them weak and vulnerable—at least they always did—the good ones—until the Marxist indoctrination of books to confuse and destroy the patriarchy===like William’s Doll in the 70’s.

Feminism was founded by a communist to destroy men —particularly the development of boys into men. Took women from the home to destroy little children. Boys are the ones who suffer the most by lack of nurturing mother—it makes them emotionally weak and have little self-esteem.

savagesusie, Free Republic 88 Comments [1/6/2012 4:10:53 AM]
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Quote# 85485

If you can do so for a few minutes, just lay aside the Copernican indoctrination that accompanies such pictures and take a good hard look at these photographs of something that really, really happens every single night.

Do you see what I see? I see all the visible stars in the northern skies going around the North Star in perfect circles. In other words, I see all the stars which these time exposures have recorded actually going around that navigational star that God put there for us in the Northern Hemisphere. Remember: the first two pictures are eight hour exposures. Again, look closely and you can see the third of a circle in the center and in the next star trail or so. This means that each star circles in one 24 hour day (i.e., 23 hours and 56 minutes). (The same thing is captured in circumpolar photos taken in the Southern Hemisphere....)

You see that too, you say, but you "know" that this is really an illusion caused by the Earth rotating West to East ccw every 24 hours. Right? The stars are really not going around the Earth, you want to tell me (as if talking to a seven year old child). It just looks like they are moving because the Earth is rotating around its polar axis, and that rotation gives us the illusion that the stars are actually going around... as any fourth grader will explain to you. If you doubt that is what is really happening, just read under the pictures, for Pete’s sake! Most will tell you the same thing, and the others don’t bother because practically every literate person in the world knows that this is what is happening! mumble, mumble....

Well (...that failed attempt at levity aside), this universally accepted explanation for this phenomena that we can watch with our own eyes and record on our own film is always the same. That is to say, we are assured that what we see and record with our cameras is an illusion caused by the Earth rotating on an axis in an East to West direction at an equatorial speed of c. 1040 MPH.

This universally accepted "explanation" is pure assumption! It is an "explanation" without the first piece of indisputable evidence to support it...and it is in denial of the plentiful evidence that rejects it!

The untouched photos themselves plainly and precisely "explain" what happens to the stars every 23 hours and 56 minutes, namely: They go around a stationary Earth! What we’ve all been taught is an "explanation" is--in fact--just one of seven interdependent assumptions which all interact to uphold the moving Earth mythology.

Marshall Hall, Fixed Earth 79 Comments [1/5/2012 4:23:25 AM]
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Quote# 85472

[from a Bachmann campaign poster at her HQ]

Michelle Bachmann: Biblically Qualified to be President of the United States

Michelle Bachmann, LGF 61 Comments [1/5/2012 4:18:32 AM]
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Quote# 85470

homosexuals should never have children

I am sorry but here again you prove that those who don't agree that homsexualilty is normal are being treated as backward bigots. Don't you think, the wisdom of thousands of years is important? Homosexulity is homocentric. It is love of itself. It is male in love with male, female in love with female. Even though love is genderless, having children changes it. The main reason families were instituted with a male and female were to fill the earth with human beings. DUH!! Tolerating your group is one thing, but accepting and telling our children its OK to be GAY is another. Your sexual orientation should not interfere with anything else you do in life. When you choose to tell all you are gay and then expect others to still have the same opinon of you, you are kidding yourselves. Sexual orientation is a very private and sacred thing. Since gays can't have children naturally, that should not be part of their lifestyle. One more thing, most gays are very into recruiting straights.

New York, Chabad 48 Comments [1/5/2012 4:18:10 AM]
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Quote# 85467

Social conservatives are lauding Rick Santorum’s “surge” to third place in the Iowa polls, but his new forthrightness about his positions may backfire. In a recent interview with MSNBC’s Chuck Todd, Santorum explained that not only would he support a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, he supports invalidating all currently legal same-sex unions:

SANTORUM: I think marriage has to be one thing for everybody. We can’t have 50 different marriage laws in this country, you have to have one marriage law…

TODD: What would you do with same-sex couples who got married? Would you make them get divorced?

SANTORUM: Well, their marriage would be invalid. I think if the constitution says “marriage is this,” then people whose marriage is not consistent with the constitution… I’d love to think there’s another way of doing it.

Rick Santorum , Think Progress 76 Comments [1/4/2012 4:40:23 AM]
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Quote# 85464

"slavery ... is a direct result of evolution teachings"

Theodore C Kamfer, Facebook  58 Comments [1/4/2012 4:39:49 AM]
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Quote# 85460

["Obama warns world against gay and lesbian discrimination"]

this was an indirect attack on the Muslims ... even though our countries are corrupt beyond belief, they've still maintained laws against f@ggots and now this monkey kaffir wants to attack that even ...

Ghazi al Mujahid, Islamic Awakening 38 Comments [1/4/2012 4:38:23 AM]
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Quote# 85459

Homosexual attractions are symptoms of a preventable developmental disorder. Once the symptoms are observed prompt intervention and treatment can prevent a homosexuality outcome, but it is preferable to prevent the conditions which cause the disorder in the first place.

1) The best prevention of homosexuality in boys is a strong father/son relationship in which the father affirms the masculine identity of the son. Irving Bieber who conducted a comprehensive study of homosexual men found that a positive supportive relationship between father and son prevented homosexuality. This relationship should include rough and tumble play between father and son. For example, when a father tossing his young son up in the air, the boy is at first frightened but then recognizes that he can trust his father, that his father loves him, that the activity is exciting. The boy wants to do it over and over. The mother may try to intervene, but in a healthy situation the father ignores her protestations and the son learns independence from the mother. If the mother prevails and the activity ceases or never begins, the father/son bond is not firmly established. There is evidence that being tossed in the air and rough-and-tumble play in the first 3 years of life builds brain connections which lead to confidence in physical activity and may effect later coordination.

2) Second, it is absolutely essential that all adults and older children unequivocally affirm the boy's masculine identity, and show disapproval toward stereotypically girly activities and cross dressing. A simple "Boys don't do that" on the first occasion is sufficient.

3) The mother must encourage her son's competence and mastery and teach him how to overcome his fears and anxieties.

4) The mother must affirm her respect for manhood and men, particularly if the father is clearly deficient or absent.

5) The boy must have a chance to observe happy marriages close up and understand that love between husband and wife is a beautiful thing.

6) The boy needs boy playmates who share his interests.

7) The mother should be modest in front of her children and respect their modesty. Children should not observe sexual acts.

8) Children should be protected from sexual molestation by adults or other children, with a yearly admonition from their parents that if anyone tries to touch their private parts or asks them to touch his parts they are to tell immediately and that people who do such things are usually liars.

9) Parents need to teach children to forgive those who injure them, to reject envy and self-pity, and to practice virtue. The difference between boys who become homosexual and those who do not is not simply that the former were traumatized and the latter not. Almost all children experience traumas of one sort or another. The difference may be that for the homosexually attracted the trauma remained unhealed. In many cases bitterness, envy, unforgiveness, and self-pity were either allowed to fester or subtly encouraged.

D. O'Leary, Fathers for Life 63 Comments [1/4/2012 4:38:05 AM]
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Quote# 85436

Under Obama’s Navy, lesbians get the first traditional kiss; the sailor comes off the boat greeted by his spouse which is a woman usually, man-woman, woman-man, but now under Obama this political correctness we’re going to pretend that homosexuality belongs in the military. And actually Obama posted the photo of these two women kissing on his Flickr page which to me is another first—a president posting an indecent photo on his Flickr page because homosexual sex and homosexual practice is still indecent. It doesn’t matter what the trends say what the political correctness says, it matters what the truth is, and we go by the word of God and that’s indecent behavior. And to see our president glorifying it and saying this is one of his greatest accomplishments is really a sad day.

Peter LaBarbera, Joe. My. God. 59 Comments [1/3/2012 4:17:02 AM]
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Quote# 85406

The reason behind Yahweh isolating women during their periods was to reduce the spread of disease through surface contact from the expelled blood of hundreds of menstruating women living inside the close quarters of a crowded camp in hot desert conditions. They did not have the blood absorbing products that women wear today to contain and control the flow of the menstrual blood leaving their bodies so isolating them from the others during their menstrual cycle was the only alternative. The God Yahweh is talking about the period of time that a woman's uterus returns to it's pre pregnant stage after the birth of their child. Yahweh is telling us it takes longer for this to happen to a woman's body after a female infant is born than after a male infant is born. Either way she must be isolated while her uterus is expelling the bodily waste fluids during that time. The reason why these laws never made any sense to us humans until now is because our lack of scientific knowledge to properly interpret the reasoning behind these new strange laws prevented us from fully understanding what we are being told by a Intelligent Designer who was well aware of it.

the re-chosen one, Yahoo Answers 44 Comments [1/3/2012 4:16:40 AM]
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Quote# 85457

What I believe is this: if you masturbate, you will turn into a homosexual, if you aren't one already. If you become a homosexual, it's only a matter of time before you gratify yourself with an animal, and you will catch AIDS and die.

Michael Crook, Michael Crook's Blog 82 Comments [1/3/2012 4:16:01 AM]
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Quote# 85448

Let it again be entered into the record that I defend Maoist suppression of religion, and am ultimately in favor of a communist state which mandates atheism by force, although I believe successful implementation of such a program will take several generations, the first of which should focus on suppressing clergy rather than all believers. [Emphasis added]

love moderately ? , Pharyngula 60 Comments [1/1/2012 5:41:56 AM]
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Quote# 85437

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul’s gay-friendly image is taking another hit with the revelation of his endorsement by a minister who advocates the death penalty for homosexuality.

Paul’s campaign chairman for Iowa, which has an early voice in the nominating process with next Tuesday’s caucus, put out a statement yesterday touting the endorsement of the Reverend Phillip Kayser, pastor of Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Neb., just across the border from Iowa. Talking Points Memo reports that a paper Kayser wrote a few years ago claims the Bible justifies capital punishment for gay people.

“Difficulty in implementing Biblical law does not make non-Biblical penology just,” he wrote. “But as we have seen, while many homosexuals would be executed, the threat of capital punishment can be restorative,” leading gays to “repent.”

TPM interviewed Kayser by phone, and he confirmed his support for biblical punishments for homosexuality, up to and including the death penalty. He noted that he has differences with the candidate on gay issues — Paul, a member of Congress, voted to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell” — but he believes Paul, as president, would allow states leeway to enact laws based on the Bible. “Under a Ron Paul presidency, states would be freed up to not have political correctness imposed on them, but obviously some state would follow what’s politically correct,” Kayser said.

The Paul campaign website had posted a press release on Kayser’s endorsement, but by Wednesday evening it had been taken off the site. Paul and his staff have made no further public statement on the matter.



Rev. Phillip Kayser, Advocate 53 Comments [1/1/2012 5:37:54 AM]
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