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Quote# 105369

You probably know about the famous quote from Albert Pike's (19th century 33rd degree Freemason) "Morals and Dogma": "Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!". Well, apparently, the first result you get from Googling 'Albert Pike Lucifer' is this:
http://www.masonicinfo.com/lucifer.htm

Some Masonic website that tries to defend that quote as not being Satanist. Also, note how it lies about the Scottish Rite being seperate from Freemasonry:
"Masonicinfo Note: The Scottish Rite is a separate and totally distinct organization having no control over Freemasonry!". If it were seperate, why would they even defend Albert Pike? In any case, THIS shows that they do worship Lucifer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2OXuXTkBNQ

Outer Haven, Prison planet Forum 10 Comments [12/19/2014 4:38:01 AM]
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Quote# 105366

I found THIS ARTICLE to be VERY INFORMATIVE.
VERY VERY INFORMATIVE, indeed.

The Freemasons Monthly Magazine
Hit "Back Issues" at the top, and pick JUNE 1855.
Read the article on the page that defaults to your view:
"Our Past, Present, and Future"

This is Masonic Journals Online, and it is an archive of (supposedly, most still aren't up yet) a plethora of 19th century Masonic publications.

This article, written by a mason, for a mason, is littered with telling passages that MAKE IT CLEAR that masons themselves consider their organization as BEING BEHIND EVERY MAJOR REPUBLIC IN WORLD HISTORY, starting with the pre-diaspora Jews, the Egyptian Empire (i guess all of them?) and Assyria and running on through Rome, Greece, England and Europe at large, and up to and including the United States.

Of course, THEY CLAIM IT IS ALL BENEVOLENT AND HONORABLE, but they do concede to near omnipresence behind the scenes of world empire.

I have to be honest,
if i knew the masons ONLY to do as per what they claimed in some of their most high-minded literature, i would have NO problem with the organization. In FACT, I WOULD PROBABLY JOIN TOMORROW!

HOWEVER:
THEY LIE REPEATEDLY, AND THEY LIE BIG.
THEY LIE TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEY LIE TO INITIATES.

Check this site out:
masonicinfo.com - "Present Anti-Masons"
This web page, clearly made by and in support of masons, IS SO FULL OF LIES AND DIS-INFO, AND "REVERSE HATE-SPEECH" THAT I CAN'T EVEN PICK A STARTING POINT.

But lets try.
LIES from masonicinfo.com" said:
Today, information about Freemasonry is spread by the internet. Much of it, unfortunately, is false. On our website, we have tried to present information which will help the intelligent reader decide what is right. If you can believe that a group of 70 year old grandfathers are going off once a month to worship lucifer or plot to finally take over the world after some three hundred years of their organization's existence, we doubt that the information contained here will be of much interest to you. If, on the other hand, you'd like to find out the truth about the objections and objectors to Freemasonry, you've come to the right place.
WHAT A JOKE.
I just showed you a link to a masonic journal from the 1800's that CLAIMS LINEAGE BACK TO EGYPT AND ASSYRIA. Do the math yourself, but "three hundred years old" is roughly TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS off the mark, give or take.

If you want to claim he said, she said, i can give you a half dozen other sources which claim the masonic fraternity to run back to Mesopotamia. I've already showed you all the Aachen Cathedral with the Masonic Eye which is from circa 900bc. Thats several hundred years older as well.

So here we have a masonic website, LYING OUTRIGHT in public, to try and fool people.
What next?

Well:
Reverse Hate Speech From Masonicinfo.com" said:
Our research in preparing this site has led us to conclude, regretfully, that most anti-Masons are not 'one trick ponies' and that their hatred extends into other areas as well. One Mason has commented: "Scratch an anti-Mason and you'll find an anti-Semite!" We believe that this is pretty accurate - although not all anti-Masons will admit to harboring hatred towards the Jews.
]

HOLY SHIT!
Hate the idea of a secretive organization that always seems to pop up in queer places? YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITE! Nevermind that 90% of "jews" aren't even fucking semitic any more, you hate jews!

But lets go back to the masonic journal from 1855 for a second:
The Freemasons Monthly Magazine June 1855" said:
[...]and thus common sense alone suffices in this view to substantiate our claim to a very high antiquity, without having recourse to corroboration from Masonic marks and positions found upon the Pyramids of Egypt, or to the no less palpable evidence that such a Fraternity must have been assembled prior to any great dispersion of the Jewish nation, in order to account for its presence over the whole world, wherever Israelitish connection is, however remotely, traceable.
So, lets make this clear.
Freemasons IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL CORRESPONDENCE CLAIM DIRECT LINKAGE TO THE JEWS.
Publicly, they seem to distance themselves completely, and simply say "most anti-masons are ALSO anti-semites" as if you are just an equal opportunity hater or something.

BUT THEY SEEM TO BE DEEPLY CONNECTED.
If you found out that one was up to something unseemly, might you not come by a dissuasion to the other quite naturally?
Slap in your face from masonicinfo" said:
(Masonicinfo hint: whenever anyone refers to the 'Protocols',
they fall into that category without any further consideration!)
Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.
If you read and EVEN MENTION a document from the turn of the last century (claimed by most of the mainstream as a "forgery") which links both Masonry and "the Jews" in a conspiracy for global control, which RINGS TRUE IN MANY RESPECTS, YOU MUST HATE JEWS!

Nevermind that we have shown here that the two ("global" masonry, and "the jews") seem to be DEEPLY connected, and that the Masons themselves claim to be "behind the throne" of ALL the great republics of the world, if you mention the document that asserts both of these things you are a crazy and HATEFUL anti-semite.

Anyone else get a bit hot at the idea of a liar calling someone else names?
Grrr.

DriftingByTheStorm, PearlJam 6 Comments [12/19/2014 4:37:21 AM]
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Quote# 105364

Australia’s false flag an attempt to bolster waning interest in the war for terror

Support is waning in Austrailia for Aussie involvement in the fraudulent war on terror, just as support waned in the UK in the months before the 7/7 bombings.

Your governments and the media are middle managers for organised crime.

Permanent low intensity warfare is their MO & goal its very profitable, keeps the syndicate in power and you under their jackboot.

Support is waning in Austrailia for Aussie involvement in the fraudulent war on terror, just as support waned in the UK in the months before the 7/7 bombings.

Join the dots – Its about garnering public support for the endless war on terror, re-enforcing the myth and the wizards maintaining the illusion.

CIA Torture – will now drop from the front pages replaced by ISIS hostage stories from down under.

Now we have a Gladio ( latin:sword ) ISIS hostage media event in Austrailia. Note how the “tewwowists” demanded an audience with NWO shill Aussie PM Abbott.

Its all about the propaganda !

Henry Curteis, The Tap Blog 3 Comments [12/19/2014 4:36:48 AM]
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Quote# 105363

CIA torture + sydney seige.....? Is there a connection? False flags?

There is an old conspiracy theory that the media and events are dictated by those in power-and that when govenment secrets are exposed "false flags" are set up not just to divert attention-but to support or change public opinion on the government secret exposed.

the cia were recently exposed about torture techniques under heavy critisism-and then suddenly this lone siege happens. People who were angry about the cia (and with good reason) may now have their minds changed after this event. this "lone terrorists" actions have been kept vague and have happened within 7 days of the CIA exposure-and it happening in australia hides the tracks even more than if it was staged in america.

one lone guy ha managed to throw everyone into panic-and i noticed some news outlets (like CNN) make that connection to the CIAs actions-that it may be justified. Also deflects from the idea that isis really mossad-they have a lot to gain from this little siege.

Whether or not there is a connetion is up for question but the way the government and media are playing this...making it sound like its more than just coincidence.

cloak and dagger, Godlike Productions 2 Comments [12/19/2014 4:36:42 AM]
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Quote# 105362

Searching on the surface of planets for Aliens/ET's or other being's will yield nothing. Any race that has evolved & mastered all the sciences (metallurgy, physics, astronomy etc.) have all learned that the surface of any object is the most dangerous & prone to all sorts of bombardments such as radiation, asteroids, comets, attacks from hostile groups etc. This is the reason we have reports of UFO's being seen going into our oceans & into our mountains. Admiral Byrd was taken into our earth by beings from another world who's technology has permitted them to thrive & come and go at will.

I'm sure every solid sphere in the vast galaxies have beings living beneath the safety of it's outer shell, we've known this for years & now even we are building massive underground complexes with the aid of some of these beings. Phil Schneider spoke about such things and turned up being suicided. Every ancient race speaks of ppl who dwell within out earth who on occasion have helped to keep man kind alive or teach and mentor us along the way.

Our government can claim we're throwing billions into the Mars rover but that's just one huge distraction, as NASA knows exactly what the end result will be - NOTHING.. We already have the technology to travel to the stars in a blink of an eye, but the common, surface dwelling man will perish as the slate is once again wiped clean..

Element115, Godlike Productions 3 Comments [12/19/2014 4:36:37 AM]
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Quote# 105350

Ex-FBI Counterterrorism Agent Says US Surveillance State Beyond Our Imagination

The real capabilities and behavior of the US surveillance state are almost entirely unknown to the American public because, like most things of significance done by the US government, it operates behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy. But a seemingly spontaneous admission this week by a former FBI counterterrorism agent provides a rather startling acknowledgment of just how vast and invasive these surveillance activities are.

Over the past couple days, cable news tabloid shows such as CNN’s Out Front with Erin Burnett have been excitingly focused on the possible involvement in the Boston Marathon attack of Katherine Russell, the 24-year-old American widow of the deceased suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. As part of their relentless stream of leaks uncritically disseminated by our Adversarial Press Corps, anonymous government officials are claiming that they are now focused on telephone calls between Russell and Tsarnaev that took place both before and after the attack to determine if she had prior knowledge of the plot or participated in any way.

On Wednesday night, Burnett interviewed Tim Clemente, a former FBI counterterrorism agent, about whether the FBI would be able to discover the contents of past telephone conversations between the two. He quite clearly insisted that they could:

BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It’s not a voice mail. It’s just a conversation. There’s no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?

CLEMENTE: “No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It’s not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.

BURNETT: “So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.

CLEMENTE: “No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not.”


muckracker1, Before its news 3 Comments [12/18/2014 4:17:27 AM]
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Quote# 105336

Warning kidnapping of new born infant between June 17-20 2013, check all aircraft for any infants ask for birth certificates from parents. Watch for 2 year old or younger resisting and struggling to free from kidnapper. Extra security on all Hospitals Mothers of newborns do not let your child out of your site.

Denver Colorado on June 21 12 am-3 am during witching hour and December 22 each year at 12:00am-3:00am mountain time known as the “Summer and Winter Solstice” the Illuminati Council of 13 Bankers hold their “Tiffany Lamp meetings”. These known Satanists perform Human Sacrifices as part of their satanic rituals at the Old Navarre a former Whore House and Casino located at 1725-1727 Tremont Pl, Denver, Colorado, across from the Ships Tavern at the Brown Palace Hotel in downtown Denver, Colorado.

They enter the Old Navarre through the Ships Tavern at the Brown Palace Hotel down a ramp between the Restrooms is a door that is unlocked that enters a tunnel that goes across the street to The Navarre.

During these rituals a Human Infant is killed and sacrificed to Satan, the Satanist drink the blood of the Infant Human they sacrifice, and appears before them and goes out to kill the enemies of those Satanist who perform this Human Sacrifice.

This group is known as the Illuminati Bankers the U.S. “Shadow Government” leaders who dictate U.S. World Policy, that are known as Satanists, George HW Bush, Leonard Millman, Larry Mizel, Henry Kissinger, Meyer Rothchild, David Rockefeller, Grace of Grace and Company, Answer Bin Shari the head Rabbi of Israel and others unnamed.

They hold a Pre Ritual parties were they have sex with children many of these pre ritual parties were held at Leonard & Elaine Millman’s house #one Eudora, Denver, Colorado.

The current Pedophilia party may be taking place at Larry Mizel’s condo at University and Cherry Creek Drive North the High Rise on the south east corner top floor.

linksplatinum, projectavalon.net 6 Comments [12/18/2014 4:10:49 AM]
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Quote# 105328

During a fundraiser in Seattle this week, President Barack Obama called for a “new order” based around a collectivized system in order to quell people’s concerns about geopolitical strife and the economy.


“People are anxious. Now, some of that has to do with some big challenges overseas,” said Obama, adding, “But whether people see what’s happening in Ukraine, and Russia’s aggression towards its neighbors in the manner in which it’s financing and arming separatists; to what’s happened in Syria … to the failure in Iraq for Sunni and Shia and Kurd to compromise … to what’s happening in Israel and Gaza….”

“Part of people’s concern is just the sense that around the world the old order isn’t holding and we’re not quite yet to where we need to be in terms of a new order that’s based on a different set of principles, that’s based on a sense of common humanity, that’s based on economies that work for all people. … But here in the United States, what people are also concerned about is the fact that although the economy has done well in the aggregate, for the average person it feels as if incomes, wages just haven’t gone up; that people, no matter how hard they work, they feel stuck.”

In a geopolitical context, Obama’s call for a “new order” really doesn’t sound any different from the old unipolar world order that the United States has represented since the end of the Cold War, which is now being challenged by the rise of the BRICS countries.

Developments over the course of the past year have made it clear that the United States no longer considers Russia to be part of this “new order” as a result of its resistance to NATO encirclement.

In terms of the economy, Obama’s insistence on “economies that work for all people” based on “common humanity” is in direct contradiction to his actual policies, which have almost exclusively served to help Wall Street fat cats while the average American sees their household income decline year after year when adjusted for inflation.

This is by no means the first time that Obama has called for a new world order.

During a 2010 West Point speech, the President encouraged the development of a new “international order” to help secure America’s interests.

Obama also urged Europeans and Americans to embrace the idea of “global citizenship” during a 2012 Berlin speech.

Vice-President Joe Biden has also repeatedly called for a “new world order.”

Paul watson, D.C. Clothesline 8 Comments [12/17/2014 4:37:49 AM]
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Quote# 105309

I write very little in the area of Christian vs. atheist apologetics anymore, and for good reason.

It was in atheist chat-rooms and blogs that I first cut my teeth in theology many years ago. Since those days I have not heard anything new from atheists.

It seems that many atheists today (some like to use the title ‘New Atheists’ to distinguish them from the more profound philosophical atheists of yesteryear) have very little to add to the discussion. To be fair, the same goes with most Christian apologists.

However, I thought it would be fun to comment on the ten arguments I hear the most. My hope is that it will help expose some of the more obvious problems with them and maybe help both sides—atheists and Christians alike—to move on to more interesting debate material.

One additional note: another reason I do not enter into the atheist-Christian debate world much anymore is because of the sheer discourtesy that both sides tend to show the other. I will not delete any comments, no matter how uncivil or juvenile they become, because, for me, it is an important part of the article. The responses (if there are any) will demonstrate the current state of atheist vs. Christian banter. Also, I will not respond to rude posts. This is advanced warning so please don’t think me rude as well if I ignore them.

Okay, here we go:

1. There is no evidence for God’s existence.

There are a couple of problems with this line. Starting with the idea of ‘evidence,’ what exactly does one mean by evidence? What is sufficient evidence for one person is often not sufficient evidence for another. A court of law provides innumerable examples of how two parties can possess the same collection of data, the same power of logic and reasoning, yet argue for completely different interpretations of the data. The old saying is true: the facts do not determine the argument, the argument determines the facts.

When confronted with the charge that there is no evidence for God the Christian often does not know where to start with a rebuttal. It’s as G.K. Chesterton once said, asking a Christian to prove God’s existence is like asking someone to prove the existence of civilization. What is one to do but point and say, “look, there’s a chair, and there’s a building,” etc. How can one prove civilization by merely selecting a piece here and a piece there as sufficient proofs rather than having an experience of civilization as a whole?

Nearly everything the Christian lays eyes on is evidence of God’s existence because he sees the ‘handiwork’ of God all around him in creation. But this is hardly sufficient evidence in the court of atheist opinion, a court which presupposes that only what can be apprehended by the senses rightly qualifies as evidence (in other words, the atheist demands not evidence of God’s handiwork, but rather material evidence of God Himself). For the Christian who believes in a transcendent God, he can offer no such evidence; to produce material evidence of God is, ironically, to disprove a transcendent God and cast out faith. If one desires God to appear in the flesh, well… He already did. But even if one lived at the time and could touch Christ in the flesh, this would still not “prove” God’s existence in the scientific sense (science has no such categories).

The second part of the line is equally short-sighted. What does one mean by ‘existence’? If one means, ‘that which has come into existence,’ then surely God does not exist because God never came into existence. He always was; He is eternal. This was a famous assessment of the matter by Soren Kierkegaard (dealing with Hegel’s dialectic of existence). The argument is a bit involved, so for times sakes I’ll just have to state it and leave it there.

2. If God created the universe, who created God?

This is one of the more peculiar arguments I’ve ever come across. Those who use this charge as some sort of intellectual checkmate have simply failed to grasp what Christians understand as ‘eternal.’ It is an argument usually levied once a theist posits that God is required for the existence of the universe (a necessary Being upon which all other things exist by way of contingency). Some atheists then shift the weight over to the theist saying, “Well then who created God?” (which demonstrates a failure to understand God as the source and ground of being rather than God as simply one more being among other beings in existence, follow this link for more.) What is a Christian to do but smile at such a question? God is the antecedent of all things in creation and is eternal. If God had a Creator then His Creator would be God. God is God precisely because He does not have a creator.

3. God is not all-powerful if there is something He cannot do. God cannot lie, therefore God is not all-powerful.

Bang! Owned.

Not so fast. This argument would be fantastic—devastating maybe—if God was more of the ancient Greek god persuasion, where the gods themselves were subject to fate and limited to their specific roles in the cosmos. The Orthodox doctrine of God is much different. Christians (at least Orthodox Christians) view God’s ontology as subject to His perfect free-will. Why is He good? Because He wills to be good. Why does He not lie? Because He wills to be honest. Why does God exist as Trinity? Because He wills it. He could just as easily will to not exist. And yes, He could just as easily will to lie. The fact that He doesn’t is no commentary on whether He could.

(Note: Due to the immense amount of discussion that this point has raised, one clarifying statement is worth noting. An argument based on strict logical word games can render the idea ‘all-powerful,’ or ‘omnipotent’ self-defeating. When one considers the juvenile question, “Can God create a rock so big that He can’t lift it?” this point becomes clear. But in reality, such an argument winds up further solidifying what Christianity means by an all-powerful God. For the Christian it simply means that all power and authority are God’s. Following the logical word game above forces the believer to make a redundant proclamation in order to remain consistent: “God cannot overpower Himself.” But this fact is anything but confounding, it merely stresses the point that there is no power greater than God, so much so that one is forced to pit God against Himself in order to find His equal.)

4. Believing in God is the same as believing in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

What I love about this well-worn atheist ‘argument’ is that it actually serves to demonstrate how vastly different a belief in God is to these myths and imaginations. When one honestly assesses the Judeo-Christian doctrine of God he will find multiple thousands of years of human testimony and religious development; he will find martyrs enduring the most horrific trauma in defense of the faith; he will find accounts in religious texts with historical and geographical corroboration; etc (these fact are of course not ‘proofs,’ but rather ‘evidences’ that elicit strong consideration). Pit this against tales of the Tooth Fairy, Santa, and Spaghetti Monsters and one finds the exact opposite: no testimony or religious refinement, no martyrs, no historical and geographical corroboration, etc. Instead, one finds myths created intentionally for children, for point making, or for whatever. It’s strawman argumentation at its worst.

5. Christianity arose from an ancient and ignorant people who didn’t have science.

Indeed, those ancient, ignorant people who believed in the virgin birth of Christ must have believed it because they did not possess the knowledge of how babies were born. Goodness. The virgin birth of Christ was profound and of paramount concern to the ancients precisely because they understood that conception was impossible without intercourse. Ancient man considered the virgin birth miraculous, i.e., impossible without divine action (and at the time most people scorned the idea), and the same could be said with every miraculous story in Scripture.

Indeed ancient people did not have the Hubble telescope, but they were able to see the night sky in full array, something almost no modern person can claim (thanks to modern lighting which distorts our ability to see the full night sky). On average, ancient people lived much closer to nature and to the realities of life and death than many of us moderners.

In terms of a living relationship with these things the ancients were far more advanced than we are today, and this relationship is essentially the nature of religious inquiry. If people lack religious speculation today, maybe it is because they spend more time with their iphones and Macs then with nature. Maybe.

But the claim that Christianity was viable in the ancient world because it was endorsed by wide spread ignorance is a profoundly ignorant idea. Christianity arose in one of the most highly advanced civilizations in human history. The Roman Empire was not known for its stupidity. It was the epicenter of innovation and philosophical giants. I would wager that if a common person of today found himself in a philosophical debate with a common person of first century Alexandria, the moderner would be utterly humiliated in the exchange.

6. Christian’s only believe in Christianity because they were born in a Christian culture. If they’d been born in India they would have been Hindu instead.

This argument is appealing because it pretends to wholly dismiss people’s reasoning capabilities based on their environmental influences in childhood. The idea is that people in general are so intellectually near-sighted that they can’t see past their own upbringing, which, it would follow, would be an equally condemning commentary on atheism (if one was consistent with the charge), but the idea is fairly easy to counter.

Take the history of the Jewish people for example. Let us say that to ‘be’ Jewish, in the religious sense, is much more than a matter of cultural adherence. To be a Jewish believer is to have Judaism permeate one’s thinking and believing and interaction with the world. But is this the state of affairs with the majority of the Jewish people, whether in America, Europe, Israel, or wherever? One would have to be seriously out of touch to believe so. The same phenomenon is found within so-called Christian communities, that is: many sport a Christian title, but are wholly derelict in personal faith. “Believing” in Christianity is a far more serious endeavor then merely wearing a church name tag. Indeed, being born in a Jewish or Christian centric home today is more often a precursor that the child will grow up to abandon the faith of his or her family, or at least be associated with the faith by affiliation only.

7. The gospel doesn’t make sense: God was mad at mankind because of sin so he decided to torture and kill his own Son so that he could appease his own pathological anger. God is the weirdo, not me.

This is actually a really good argument against certain Protestant sects (I’ve used it myself on numerous occasions), but it has no traction with the Orthodox Christian faith. The Orthodox have no concept of a God who needed appeasement in order to love His creation. The Father sacrificed His own Son in order to destroy death with His life; not to assuage His wrath, but to heal; not to protect mankind from His fury, but to unite mankind to His love. If the reader is interested to hear more on this topic follow this link for a fuller discussion.

8. History is full of mother-child messiah cults, trinity godheads, and the like. Thus the Christian story is a myth like the rest.

This argument seems insurmountable on the surface, but is really a slow-pitch across the plate (if you don’t mind a baseball analogy). There is no arguing the fact that history is full of similar stories found in the Bible, and I won’t take the time to recount them here. But this fact should not be surprising in the least, indeed if history had no similar stories it would be reason for concern. Anything beautiful always has replicas. A counterfeit coin does not prove the non-existence of the authentic coin, it proves the exact opposite. A thousand U2 cover bands is not evidence that U2 is a myth.

Ah, but that doesn’t address the fact that some of these stories were told before the Biblical accounts. True. But imagine if the only story of a messianic virgin birth, death, and resurrection were contained in the New Testament. That, to me, would be odd. It would be odd because if all people everywhere had God as their Creator, yet the central event of human history—the game changing event of all the ages—the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ had never occurred to them, in at least some hazy form, they would have been completely cut off from the prime mysteries of human existence. It seems only natural that if the advent of Christ was real it would permeate through the consciousness of mankind on some level regardless of their place in history. One should expect to find mankind replicating these stories, found in their own visions and dreams, again and again throughout history. And indeed, that is what we find.

9. The God of the Bible is evil. A God who allows so much suffering and death can be nothing but evil.

This criticism is voice in many different ways. For me, this is one of the most legitimate arguments against the existence of a good God. The fact that there is suffering and death is the strongest argument against the belief in an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving God. If suffering and death exist it seems to suggest one of two things: (1) either God is love, but He is not all-powerful and cannot stop suffering and death, or (2) God is all-powerful, but He does not care for us.

I devoted a separate article addressing this problem, but let me deal here with the problem inherent in the criticism itself. The argument takes as its presupposition that good and evil are real; that there is an ultimate standard of good and evil that supersedes mere fanciful ‘ideas’ about what is good and evil at a given time in our ethical evolution, as it were. If there is not a real existence—an ontological reality—of good and evil, then the charge that God is evil because of this or that is really to say nothing more than, “I personally don’t like what I see in the world and therefore a good God cannot exist.” I like what C.S. Lewis said on a similar matter: “There is no sense in talking of ‘becoming better’ if better means simply ‘what we are becoming’—it is like congratulating yourself on reaching your destination and defining destination as ‘the place you have reached.’”

What is tricky for the atheist in these sorts of debates is to steer clear of words loaded with religious overtones. It’s weird for someone who does not believe in ultimate good and evil to condemn God as evil because He did not achieve their personal vision of good. So, the initial criticism is sound, but it is subversive to the atheist’s staging ground. If one is going to accept good and evil as realities, he is not in a position to fully reject God. Instead, he is more in a position to wrestle with the idea that God is good. This struggle is applauded in the Orthodox Church. After all, the very word God used for his people in the Old Testament—“Israel”—means to struggle with God.

10. Evolution has answered the question of where we came from. There is no need for ignorant ancient myths anymore.

This might be the most popular attempted smack-downs of religion in general today. It is found in many variations but the concept is fairly consistent and goes something like this: Science has brought us to a point where we no longer need mythology to understand the world, and any questions which remain will eventually be answered through future scientific breakthroughs. The main battle-ground where this criticism is seen today is in evolution vs. creationism debates.

Let me say upfront that there is perhaps no other subject that bores me more than evolution vs. creationism debates. I would rather watch paint dry. And when I’m not falling asleep through such debates I’m frustrated because usually both sides of the debate use large amounts of dishonesty in order to gain points rather than to gain the truth. The evolutionist has no commentary whatsoever on the existence of God, and the creationist usually suffers from profound confusion in their understanding of the first few chapters of Genesis.

So, without entering into the most pathetic debate of the ages, bereft of all intellectual profundity, I’ll only comment on the underlining idea that science has put Christianity out of the answer business. Science is fantastic if you want to know what gauge wire is compatible with a 20 amp electric charge, how agriculture works, what causes disease and how to cure it, and a million other things. But where the physical sciences are completely lacking is in those issues most important to human beings—the truly existential issues: what does it mean to be human, why are we here, what is valuable, what does it mean to love, to hate, what am I to do with guilt, grief, sorrow, what does it mean to succeed, is there any meaning and what does ‘meaning’ mean, and, of course, is there a God? etc, ad infinitum.

As far as where we come from, evolution has barely scratched the purely scientific surface of the matter. Even if the whole project of evolution as an account of our history was without serious objection, it would still not answer the problem of the origin of life, since the option of natural selection as an explanation is not available when considering how dead or inorganic matter becomes organic. Even more complicated is the matter of where matter came from. The ‘Big Bang’ is not an answer to origins but rather a description of the event by which everything came into being; i.e., it’s the description of a smoking gun, not the shooter.

That’s it… my top 10 list. Thanks for reading. Cheers.

Eric hyde's Blog, Eric Hyde 9 Comments [12/17/2014 4:08:44 AM]
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Quote# 105303

I think Tomlinson's website falls into the category of what Hoffman and Heimbichner call Revelation of the Method.

The alchemical processing of the Group Mind proceeds apace whether the revelations are true, co-intel pro or whackjob tell-alls. Its all the same.

When the Minister for Health can apologize to the victims of Jimmy Savile in the House of Parliament and acknowledge that 'we' - the establishment - have let you down badly

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10928753/Jeremy-Hunt-apologises-for-Jimmy-Saviles-sickening-abuse-in-hospitals.html

I think we must draw the conclusion that the revelations of Savile's activities (of which I am sure we know very little) are not the prime fact of matter. Neither is the failure, incompetence, negligence of the relevant authorities.

What the Savile story reveals is the vertical integration of every aspect of British society (rather like the pyramid on the M16 logo) and that the psychopathic control grid, under and through which all authorities in every institution operate: is total.

Here is a man, Savile, who had access across the board to every institution in British society and to every authority in Britain. He committed atrocities in all the institutions he visited, stayed and 'patroled'. Five decades of multiple, congruent victim reports and outraged staff who caught him - even in the act - to the relevant authorities failed to curtail his activities. In his last BBC interview he was bragging 'I got away with it.'

Imagine being a doctor or a forensic with a position of authority in a place like the Broadmoor hospital and knowing that Savile has clearance to regularly visit and stay at your hospital for his 'charity work'. Imagine that you know for a fact - one of his activities in your hospital is his necrophilia in the morgue - and you are prevented from interfering with his visit or activities in any way. The police are not interested in any report. The press hangs up on you. Your MP does not return your calls.

That was the deal with Savile, he was absolutely teflon. And he bragged on American television how he brought a girl to Prince Phillip at night in Buckingham Palace.

With Savile, how far does it go? Frankly - I think the revelations of his pedophilia and necrophilia are only on the surface of his activities which were so important [wicked] that the entire establishment covered for him.

"We know ...that the whole world (aion) is seated in the power of wickedness and the evil one" 1 John 4:19

Once upon a time, that idea was fairly abstract and hazy in terms of whatever authority was in the tier above your social level. Now it is crystal clear. Decency and morality begin to appear the farther down the social pyramid you go.

And this is the ground that must be occupied and held at all costs.

Thank you for your work helping to identify the psychopathic control grid and de-program your Jewish and Gentile readers.

L, Hanry Makow 3 Comments [12/17/2014 4:07:34 AM]
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Quote# 105302

Hello Henry,

You are right about Royal Arch Freemasonry and MI6. I have been in these meetings as young boy. Games played with electroshock, paedophilia, drugging, group rape. The main purpose is disassociation, not sexual gratification.

The person who did it to me was Thomas Hurd (MI6) and this was at Douglas Hurd's cottage . Also met John Scarlett and Eliza Manningham-Buller, and Stella Rimington. Blair, Mandelson, Kinnock, Saatchi, Cameron, Osborne and others (Simon Cowell, Piers Morgan) all attended.

It makes perfect sense if you are worshipping Satan.

Lots of people from my elite school like Hon Nick Knathbull, Alex Young and others were exposed to it.

D, Henry Makow 10 Comments [12/17/2014 4:06:58 AM]
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Quote# 105301

Crazed MI-5 & MI-6 Wreak Havoc for the Illuminati


Blogs by people claiming to be former MI-5 and MI-6 agents paint a sordid picture of state terrorism, rape, torture, mind control, murder and pedophilia in the service of the Illuminati.

The main blog is called "Richard Tomlinson and the Russians" -- An 'Unofficial Biography' of an ex-MI6 officer who is currently engaged in a battle with British Intelligence, in order to stop a campaign of harassment against him... Mr. Tomlinson is a Royal Arch Freemason...trained as an MI-6 mind control programmer."

There are a dozen more blogs listed on this site. Taken together with comments by insiders, they tell a hair-raising tale of mayhem perpetrated by deranged intelligence agencies that serve the satanic Illuminati cult and not the nations that pay their salaries. Most people will not believe it. It has taken me nearly a year to process it.

Here are some highlights:



youngputin1.jpg+"Vladimir Putin has a long history as a Royal Arch Freemason. He is "a puppet - always has been. You only have to look into his vacuous eyes to see that. - how much ECT does it take to run a Puppet-President? Quite a bit, I would imagine." He also was a cross dresser & boy toy to current MI-6 Director John Scarlett."

+"Putin was chosen as a DNA sperm donor within this Royal 'zygote' project and had then been ordered by the Masonic body to copulate with various British female agents, whilst in Berlin. The zygotes were then 'collected' and the young woman involved, was subsequently murdered. Stephen Daldry [the film Director] had organized various victims to be sent to Berlin for exactly this purpose. He has also boasted of listening to them (bugged rooms) being murdered, during this period. Cameras were also placed in the TV sets for the Royal Arch Freemasons to view afterward - in essence, 'snuff movies'. By 1993, the Royal Arch Freemasons had no further use for Mr Putin in terms of information or DNA and therefore, he was expendable - Royal Arch Freemason or not."

+"Putin's mother was Jewish but converted to Russian Orthodoxy. In Poland, he decided to go back to his roots and because his mother was Jewish he didn't have to go through a full conversion.

There is some difference among the posters about whether Putin broke from the Illuminati and deprogrammed himself when he was betrayed by MI-6.

+The world's Intelligence agencies are infiltrated and controlled by "Royal Arch" Freemasons who owe their loyalty not to the State but to Illuminati (Masonic) bankers, posing as the "Crown" or "Monarchy." Most agents are tortured, i.e. trauma brainwashed and mind controlled using trigger words from texts like "Alice in Wonderland."

MI-5 Chief Manningham-Buller told recruits that they serve "the 'real' communism, ...the 'Guardianship' by those who were 'born to rule'. They were the self-elected custodians of British society who could decide what was in their people's best interests. To summarize: a benevolent dictatorship.
This was personified by Manningham-Buller demanding that each of her classes stand to attention and do a Nazi salute as she walked in the door, before she would begin the lesson."

"This tarantula-like Masonic organization ...has been strangling the world since the last days of the British Empire. Those within British Intelligence who were not Royal Arch Freemasons, had no real idea of what was going on at all. If they did manage to catch a 'Russian spy' within their midst, it was because the Royal Arch Freemasons had deemed this person expendable and had then fed him or her to the fishes. Think Burgess, Maclean etc and you will get the picture. [Anthony] Blunt escaped such censorship and hounding. He was a 'master' of Royal Arch Freemasonry."


tsunami.gif+MI-6 "implanted a nuclear bomb (ESSO were employed to do the drilling) between the tectonic plates under the seabed - just off Aceh, Indonesia. MI5 were to send a military ship into the area after the explosion had occurred, in order to check radiation levels. They had miscalculated. The radiation levels are now affecting all of the surrounding islands, including the Arabian peninsular. The explosion occurred on the 26th December 2004." [i.e. the Tsunami]

"Indonesian Intelligence were duly warned and took action by taking out large insurance claims with British companies just before the event (mainly on the same day beforehand, in order to get the claims through without creating suspicion and UK firms backing out of the deal), in relation to the areas and buildings that the tsunami would hit."

+ On July 10, 2007 "Anonymous" posted the following: "The new date set for Royal Illuminati terrorist attacks is the 14th July 2007. They have planned a whole series of bombings all over the world. Too numerous to mention. One hopes this advance warning will put them off once again but as ever this is only an intermediary measure. British Intelligence have to sort themselves out, once and for all... The Crown has a stranglehold on BI [British Intelligence]and its not going to let go without a battle. The Royal Military will see to that." [No bombs went off on that date.]

+ "Little Madelaine's [McCann's] parents were part of the Illuminati ring - mind control slaves themselves. They know what happened to her - their subconscious minds know exactly what happened but they were powerless to stop it. J K Rowling is also an Illuminati Monarch slave - she is an actress who has hardly put pen to paper regarding the Harry Potter books. The original author of the first four books - hasn't seen a penny from it - stolen goods. Rowling was present at the rite in which Madeleine died - hence her offer of a reward in public, was all the more sickening.

"Rowling was chosen to front this series of books because she was so malleable. She wanted fame and fortune without cost. Her Ashkenazim parents had bought her out of British Illuminati slavery and had also bought her what is known in the trade as a 'Pen and Ink Stand': A ghost-writer who works as an unpaid slave - one of British Intelligence's operatives."

RichardTomlinson.jpg+ "Richard Tomlinson, an agent who publicly accused MI-6 of involvement in the murder of Princess Diana possibly took part in the crime. "Tomlinson had chipped Henri Paul in the kitchens beforehand. He had been on one of the large, black motorbikes hounding Diana's car and watched as she cried out for help after the accident without doing a thing - he was too busy securing his photographs of the ambulance as a blackmailing threat to MI6..."

Tomlinson supposedly broke with MI-6 but the posters say he is still working for them, running a pedophile ring in the south of France. For a "defector," his book "The Big Breach" (2001) is singularly unrevealing, especially in light of the material discussed here.

+ Stella Rimington, a director of MI-5 in the 1990's is a former secretary who did sexual entrapment for MI-5 before becoming a S/M lesbian. She had her agents steal the MI-6 mind control codes and used them to break out of her own mind control and "attack the system from outside." When she started assassinating MI-6 agents who annoyed her, she was ungracefully retired. "She has been involved in child trafficking and prostitution ever since."


CONCLUSION

There is a list of the related blogs at the Richard Tomlinson and the Russians blogspot. Many are listed below. Generally speaking, this incredible material is consistent with what we already know about the Illuminati. They are insane. They are a satanic cult.

These blogs provide a rare glimpse of the seedy underside of the establishment in Britain where the Illuminati is headquartered. I doubt if the situation is very different elsewhere.

This criminality and depravity is permitted and cultivated in order to undermine democratic institutions. The Illuminati bankers want the people to cry out for their totalitarian world government.

Henry Makow, Henry Makow 8 Comments [12/17/2014 4:06:38 AM]
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Quote# 105296

A woman who claims to have been a classmate delivered some bizarre claims about President Barack Obama in an interview.

As Right Wing Watch first reported, Mia Marie Pope told right-wing preacher James David Manning that she believes that Obama was not only active within the gay community, but also a heavy cocaine user during his years in Hawaii.

"He always portrayed himself as a foreign student," Pope said. "Girls were never anything that he ever was interested in ... He would get with these older white gay men, and this is how we just pretty much had the impression that that's how he was procuring his cocaine."

She then notes, "In other words, he was having sex with these older white guys and that's how he was getting this cocaine to be able to freebase."

Pope, of course, isn't the first conservative voice to make such claims about the president's personal life. In May, "Coach" Dave Daubenmire implied Obama was "openly gay" or "better yet, openly bisexual" in a News With Views broadcast, nothing that the president's "face seems to really light up when he begins to talk about the gay agenda."

In fall 2012, gossip columnist turned Tea Party author Jerome Corsi alleged that the president had been actively involved in Chicago's gay bar and bathhouse scene.

Mia Marie Pope, Huffington Post 10 Comments [12/16/2014 4:24:35 AM]
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Quote# 105287

-- CHEMTRAILS - RELEASED TO BLOCK THE SUN!!! --

What are they protecting us from? UV? what are they hiding?

Ive been following Chemtrails for a while now, and if you focus on their placement and time of the day, it appears they are trying to cover up the sun with this pollution.

The placement starts in the early morning, and as the trails expand, they seem to be at their peak when the Sun is highest. As soon as the sun peaks, around 12:00pm - 2:00, the sun is visibly "covered" with these trails from all different angles.

(I know many trails appear in the distance, but my findings in my area show this trend)

Pls look at my photos. Many were many days apart, but the theme is the same; the Sun is being blanketed from us.

The evidence is OVERWHELMING. I used to think they were trying to hide the sky. Now I know its the sun.

[link to s1142.photobucket.com]

The only questions that remain:

1) what are they protecting us from? Ultraviolet rays?
2) are they even protecting us?
3) is this chemical hurting us?
4) why are there no govt officials telling the public?
5) toxic sundogs are appearing each day chem trails are released now.

My thoughts? they are "protecting us" from the suns rays with a likely toxic chemical so we can continue on with our way of life to dig deeper into more debt and prolong the process.

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 7 Comments [12/16/2014 4:15:38 AM]
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Quote# 105279

Most of you have heard of a very famous New Age book called ‘‘The Externalisation of the Hierarchy’ by Alice Bailey. Have you stopped to think what that title means?
If I understand it right, it means the revelation of ‘principalities . . . powers . . . rulers of the darkness of this world . . . [and] spiritual wickedness in high [places]’ (Eph. 6:12) In other words, the powers of darkness are ready to ‘come out of the closet’.
Starting several years ago, we began to see this taking place. Wicked man are being revealed . . . but not to bring them to justice. On the contrary, I believe it is to acclimate us to evil, and to demonstrate to us that evil will no longer be punished.
We can expect to see more and more people become emboldened to defy the rule of law. The things that people used to do in darkness, will be done in broad daylight. The things done in secret will be done openly.
The secret societies will no longer deny their existence and beliefs, but will promote them in such a way as to cause envy in many, so that they will be eager to ‘learn from the masters’ . . . and to hope that they too can be part of ‘the elite’.
Make no mistake: the core of all secret societies is Luciferianism. And don’t suppose this will happen ‘someday’ . . . it is already well underway. The idols of our culture . . . the ‘beautiful people': the wealthy and powerful, the Hollywood stars, and pop music idols . . . are the bait to incite us to envy.
They are the chosen ‘face’ of the Illuminati, and the Illuminati are the puppets of the principalities, powers, and rulers of the darkness of this world, that operate behind the scenes, in the spiritual realm. The day is soon coming that these dark powers will reveal themselves to the world.
‘And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.’
(2 Corinthians 11:14)
‘And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do . . . ‘
(Revelation 13:13-14)
‘And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.’
(2 Thessalonians 2:8-10)
Here is more info for truthers:

Don'tbefooled666, Don't be fooled 666 5 Comments [12/16/2014 3:54:54 AM]
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Quote# 105278

Jon Stewart is just another victim of the Vatican/CIA propaganda machine. Instead of attacking Jon Stewart for being feeble minded (Jon Stewart cannot help it. It is what it is), the author needs to look at and address who are the sponsors of anti-Israel propaganda along with their propaganda outlets.

Another issue that needs to be addressed is why Israel has such weak propaganda of its own. Propaganda that is always on the defensive and is always reactive, and why are the vectors of its dissemination (Algemeiner being a rare exception) so feeble.

[...]

Don’t believe for a second that ANY government or media outlet in Europe is independent. They are ALL muppets. Same for the Israeli gov and media. Our government is not our government. The script for this theater is written by the Vatican/CIA mafia.

mika, The Algemeiner 7 Comments [12/15/2014 4:38:24 AM]
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Quote# 105276

Princess Dianna was killed by the MOSSAD because she was about to take up the Palestinian cause.

chuck, Real Jew News 6 Comments [12/15/2014 4:37:52 AM]
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Quote# 105269

It was in 1784 that Weishaupt had issued his orders for the French Revolution. A German writer named Zwack had put these orders into book form which contained the entire Illuminati story and Weishaupt’s plan. A copy of this book was sent to the Illuminates in France, who were headed by Robespierre, whom Weishaupt had delegated to foment the French Revolution. The carrier was struck and killed by lightning as he rode on his way from Germany to France. The police found the subversive documents on his body, and turned them over to the proper authorities.

After a careful study of the plot, the Bavarian Government ordered the police to raid Weishaupt’s newly organized lodges of the Grand Orient and homes of his most influential associates. All additional evidence thus discovered convinced the authorities that the documents were genuine copies of the conspiracy by which the Illuminati planned to use wars and revolutions to bring about the established. (Note: This is exactly in line with the United Nations plot of today.)

In 1785, the Bavarian Government outlawed the Illuminati, and closed the lodges of the Grand Orient. In 1786, they published all the details of the conspiracy, the English title of that publication being “The Original Writings of the Order and Sect of the Illuminati”. Copies of the entire conspiracy were sent to all the heads of Church and State in Europe. But the power of the Illuminati was so great that this warning was ignored. Nevertheless, «Illuminati» became a dirty word, and it went underground.

At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminates to infiltrate into the lodges of Blue Masonry, and form their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists, and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God, were initiated into the Illuminati.

In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain, Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high degree Mason in the Scottish Rite. He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and secretary of The Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship, but he kept his reaction to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt’s revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping.

Because the warnings about the Illuminati were ignored, the Revolution broke out in 1789, as scheduled by Weishaupt. In order to alert other governments to their danger, Robison published, in 1789, a book entitled “Proof of a Conspiracy to Destroy All Governments and Religions”, but his warnings were also ignored.

Yoandy L., Warning illuminati 3 Comments [12/15/2014 4:35:10 AM]
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Quote# 105268

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY & THE ILLUMINATI
When i watched this video telling me that the illuminati and satan controlled the music industry, and every song that contains rain, snakes, girls, money etc, are all by people who have sold their soul to the devil, I thought it a bit of a coincidence that so many videos contain rain but didnt really believe it. I’ve just seen a video that is called ‘rain on me’ and it contains snakes, girls and suggestions of money and some dodgey lyrics. Does the music industry laugh at these people and deliberately put all these things in just to piss them off?

Very real Possibility, but do they even really exist is the question ?

The Illuminati conspiracy is a conspiracy theory which holds that there is a “global elite” society that is either in control of the world, or is seeking to take control of the world. As with most conspiracy theories, beliefs regarding the Illuminati conspiracy vary widely. As a result, it is virtually impossible to give a synopsis of the Illuminati conspiracy. Popularized in recent books and movies, the Illuminati conspiracy has definitely reached “cult fiction” status.

If there is indeed some truth to the Illuminati conspiracy, the Illuminati are nothing but pawns in the hands of Satan, tools to be manipulated in his conflict with God. The fate of the Illuminati will be the same as the fate of their lord, Satan/Lucifer, who will be cast into the lake of fire, to be tormented day and night, forever and ever (Revelation 20:10). In John 16:33 Jesus declared, “In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” For Christians, all we need to understand about the Illuminati conspiracy is summarized in the words of 1 John 4:4, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.


The Illuminati are generally powerful and rich people, not a lot of celebrities are members of the Illuminati. Just because the Illuminati controls the music and film industries, does not mean that all celebrities are members. Celebrities do not sell their souls to become famous, the Illuminati believe in God, they just fear God. The Illuminati will kill anyone, anywhere at anytime to get what they need. The people that are “Anti-New World Order” and speak out against the Illuminati will be murdered like2Pac, and most recently, Michael Jackson. 2Pac and Michael Jackson were going to warn the entire world about what the Illuminati are planning. If you look at the title of 2Pac’s album “The Don Killuminati” for example; 2Pac was referring to the Illuminati in this title, Kill + Illuminati. The Illuminati have killed 2Pac, Michael Jackson, Marilyn Monroe, Jon Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, John F. Kennedy, Abe Lincoln, Princess Diana, Martin Luther King, the list goes on.

Today alot of celebrities are selling their souls to the devil for FAME and FORTUNE (money and power) such as:

* BEYONCE /went from DESTINY’S CHILD to “SASHA FIERCE” , the DEVIL’S child

* JAY-Z / THE BLUEPRNT (a detailed outline or plan of action)”IT’S A SECRET SOCIETY” for a New World Order, the work of SATAN!

* EMINEM / “SLIM SHADY” a total NUT JOB he’s clearly FUCKED UP in the HAED

* 50 CENT / “THE NEW BREED” (album) of THE EVIL SPIRITS b.k.a. ILLUMINATI

* RIHANNA/ GOOD GIRL ( angel) GONE BAD ( turned HELLION)

* P.DIDDY/ is now “DIRTY MONEY” (ILLUMINATI symbol is on money) devil’s money!

* DJ KHALED/ WE GLOBAL (album) ILLLUMINATI is taking over one city at a time

* T-PAIN/ THR33 KINGZ (album) signs of ILLUMINATI!

* CIARA/ went from “GOODIES” to THE EVOLUTION and FANTASY RIDE clearly she’s riding with the devil because he’s got her GOODIES now!

* T.I./ T.I. vs T.I.P basically good vs. evil (GOD VS. SATAN) the LORD will always win

* KANYE WEST/ he doesn’t even wear his JESUS piece (necklace) I wonder what his MOTHER would’ve thought about this!

* LIL WAYNE/ THE REBIRTH (album) of a demonic human being; What kind of person sits on a THRONE in the house of LORD and says he’s a beast clearly a person who’s possessed with evil spirits.

The list goes on and on!


A Little Extra Pictures To Give More Evidence:



“Hov is back” , refer as Jay-Z throwing up the Diamond & showing one eye!



Kobe, with his wife also throwing the Sign up

Kanye wearing the devil shirt, “baphomet” the same exact Satan demon

King James throwing the Diamond

Beyonce wearing the ring which in this case is a baphomet

the same exact Satan demon



The three proudly representing the Illuminati



Aretha Franklin the queen of Soul, Throwing up the Diamond





Ah, I see now! They’re putting out “role models” for us all, aren’t they? I see now why the music sucks; the point lies in body language and neurolinguistics, which for today’s youth and even their immediate predecessors is easy to hide under a bunch of mindless noise (wrapped up with its own programming of course). The downgrading and desecration of art on all levels can be seen as a means of turning the clarity of the collective consciousness into mere noise and blur. Cinema has gone to shit, music has gone to shit, even literature has made the contents of Dom DeLuise’s septic tank much more interesting and educational. For this, I propose that those of us who’re artists in any field make it a point to put out what we do from the deepest levels of our brains and our hearts and to avoid getting sucked into the machine from which artists like Lady Gaga and Rihanna (and many others!) have been produced and payrolled to pollute our understanding and our tastes.

Yoandy L., Warning Illuminati 4 Comments [12/15/2014 4:35:06 AM]
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Quote# 105262

Chicken, frog, dog, cat, horse, and pig’s bones are used as fossil materials. The bones are crushed and mixed with glue, resin and plaster, and can then, if desired, be glued to a plate. Fractures in the fossil give it a natural look. These fractures are purposfully made and then repared repeatedly to achieve the right effect. (Source 4)

Even professors of paleontology have started to wonder.

“I have heard there is a fake-fossil factory in northeast China, in Liaoning Province, near the deposits where many of these recent alleged feather dinosaurs were found”. – Alan Feduccia, Professor of Paleontology at the University of North Carolina

1. A complete dinosaur skeleton has never been found.
2. No independent researcher has seen a real dinosaur skull.
3. The paleontological scientific approach is built on hypotheses, while it is presented as natural science with an objective approach.
4. Children are taught the existence of dinosaurs through cartoons, not through bone inspection at school.
5. Only people with a special interest in the paleontological field seem to find dinosaur bones.

Dinosaurs are yet another ficticious reality, exactly like the self-invented psychiatric diagnoses. This all leaves us with numerous fundamental questions.

Robbin Koefoed, GVE News 9 Comments [12/15/2014 4:33:43 AM]
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Quote# 105257

Tim LaHaye, co-author of the popular “Left Behind” Series which has gained popularity and has now hit the Big Screen with the October 3, 2014 release starring Nicolas Cage, has some pretty sketchy, to say the least, ties to Illuminati organizations.
By now, we have all heard of the The Bilderbergs, The Trilateral Commission, The Council of Foreign Relations, and the Central Intelligence Agency and of the conspiracy theories surrounding them regarding the development of the ‘New World Order.’
Now imagine for a moment there is something to this (and there appears to be no lack of documented material justifying these theories). That would mean that at almost every elevated level of business and government, worldwide, men and women have infiltrated, become the controlling administrators and are working to effectively control every aspect of the life of the “world citizen.”
One aspect of this that has not been properly searched out is the “religious” connection. Surely, given that much of the world is religious, and in the currently reigning Superpower nation of the U.S., predominantly “Christian,” then it would only make sense that these organizations have infiltrated the Church itself and are also actively leading it to into the New World Order as well.
Do the world’s leading Christian evangelicals have ties to these organizations?
Yes they do, and it is thoroughly documented.
The above named agencies are “umbrella” agencies that fund, run, staff and control a number of smaller, innocent sounding organizations around the world. One such organization is The Council of National Policy (CNP) founded in 1981 by Tim LaHaye, the aforementioned co-author of the “Left Behind” book series. It is reported that he received $500,000 from a Mr. Bo Hi Pak, Rev. Sun Myung Moon (The Moonies), and the Unification Church’s #1 man, and a former Korean CIA officer.
Looking into some of the CNP officers we find not only a just a strong association with Moon, but also powerful ties with the CIA and the Council on Foreign Relations, not to mention association with high level Freemasonry for which many conspiracy theorists have more than a mere elementary knowledge related to the NWO. Another past President of CNP is Rich DeVoss, co-founder of Amway (and 33rd degree Mason).
Another organization to fall under this umbrella is the ‘Coalition for Religious Freedom’ where again; Tim LaHaye held a paid position as Chairman and the Women’s Federation for World Peace, headed by Beverly LaHaye. Former President George Bush Sr. (and one time former CIA Director) received an undisclosed amount for speaking engagements from this organization and his fee is lost somewhere in the 13.5 million dollar conference expense-line according to IRS records.
‘The Council of 56 of the Religious Roundtable’ is another made up of many of the same members from the CNP and CRF organizations. It marries leading associated evangelicals to the CIA, the Council for Foreign relations, the Trilateral Commission and Freemasonry. The CFR and The Trilateral Commission are closely tied to the Bilderberg group.
These, along with a long list of “innocent” sounding organizations have some of the most prominent Christian names associated to it. Though these people claim to be Christians and have a following in the MILLIONS, they are really being supported by and spreading false doctrines for the people paving the way for the one world religion.
Tim LaHaye co-authored the Left Behind series, the forerunner of the “Pre Trib” teaching on the rapture. It is scary that most churches now hold this view and teach this twisting of scripture. I’m not going to take a side on rapture theology but this view is based on pure speculation, fantasy and twisting of scripture. I personally have done extensive research on this subject and above all I READ MY BIBLE!
The big cheese here is that this view is setting people up for massive deception and disappointment because it holds the view that Christians will be taken away before the big bad tribulation. What will happen when the rapture doesn’t occur after the world goes to pot is people will doubt their faith in Jesus Christ.
Tim LaHaye is one of the people responsible for gathering all the theologians together to make sure this was the view the church had. This view makes the church weak in the faith.
I can go on for pages about this but here is a very shocking revealing fact about all of this. All the significant production and release dates for “Left Behind” fall on Major Satanic Holidays.

There are 8 primary holidays in witchcraft and Satanism. There are four major and four minor ones:
1) Candlemas or Imbolg — Feb. 1, 2- major
2) Ostara- March 21 (Spring Equinox) – minor
3) Beltane or Roodmas – May 1 (founding day for the Illuminati in 1776)- major
4) Litha– June 21 (summer solstice) – minor
5) Lughnasadh or Lammas- August 1 – major
6) Mabon- September 21 (autumnal equinox) – minor
7) Samhain or Hallowe’en- October 29-31 – major
8) Yule- December 21 (Winter solstice) – minor

Luciferians seek Satanic blessings by not only performing their jobs in their sacred locations where they believe there are vortexes of occultic power but also seek Satanic blessings by initiating their projects on their Satanic holy days.
On May 1, 2000, Beltane (major Satanic holiday) they began production on the movie ‘Left Behind’. 13 weeks later on August 1, Lughnasadh (major Satanic holiday) they released the ‘making of Left Behind’ for sale.
13 weeks later on October 31, Samhain (major Satanic holiday) they released the ‘Left Behind’ movie for sale 13 weeks from that date on Feb.2, 2001 Candlemas (major Satanic holiday) they released ‘Left Behind’ into the theaters across the country.
In light of the ties between Tim LaHaye and the CIA, the Council for Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission and the “New World Order”, is it any wonder why, after THIRTEEN years, “Left Behind” is being once again released?
There can be no doubt that these dark elements of government, industry, banking, and intelligence are leading us into their “New World Order”, and their influence has been extended to nearly every Christian in the world through leading television evangelicals who claim to represent Christ, and through Hollywood.
The sheer number of people this Hollywood production will reach is going to be another notch in the advancement of their satanic agenda. Could this be the ‘falling away’ of the Church so often preached by these same evangelicals? The great ‘apostasy’ which will, in the last days, render much of the Christian Church faithless to their original calling and subject to the manipulation, will and prophesied plans of the ‘Antichrist’?
The entire rapture doctrine is un-biblical and is not what the Word of God tells us is in store for the world during these End Times. The doctrine is supported by the distortion of scripture and the misassumptions of what is truly being said. It even goes as far as to twisting the very words of Jesus Christ to imply something He was not saying OR implying!
I urge you to spread the word that this movie is dangerous to the salvation of Christians! The fact that the man that wrote this is tied to Satan himself is obvious, and clears up the motivation for the timing of the release of this movie.
‘Left Behind’ will be released on October 3rd, 2014 – and for those of you familiar with the Elite and their use of gematria, this is 10/3 or 10 + 3 which equal 13. The number “13” is the Illuminati / Freemason Signature.
The number, “13” is considered divine by the Elite, and second in power only to the number 666.
Clearly, the false doctrine is being pushed and when added with all the other events happening throughout the world, it is probably safe to assume that we will be seeing the next stage of their plans implemented in the very near future!
Time is running out. The time to get your households in order and your relationship with Jesus Christ solidified is NOW!!

Laurie, Laurie Christian 4 Comments [12/15/2014 4:06:25 AM]
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Five Reasons Why Cracked.com Is Filled with Liars!
The American humor website, Cracked.com, makes a mint off of its low-brow mockery of all things it can grasp whether it's video games or B-movies. Very little can escape the simian intellects of its vile writers. Until now, we here at IW have taken little notice of this site's depraved content, but that has recently changed. Cracked.com published an article that states those of us who promote conspiracy theories are "destroying the world".

This is not the first time that the humor site has denigrated those who stand for the truth. Its writers have frequently made fun of anyone who believes in the Illuminati, the truth behind 9/11, and the moon landing hoax. However, this latest article has sparked more outrage on our side than anything previously seen, so much to the point where we feel that a rebuttal is necessary.

"5 Reasons Conspiracy Theories Are Destroying the World" is based on multiple fallacies and Illuminati lies. The first "reason" concerns the amount of knowledge available to us via the internet. The writers assert that more knowledge leads to more theories and thus more ignorance. That cannot be further from the truth. Knowledge is power and will always be so. Only those who want to help usher in the NWO would promote such anti-intellectualism.

The second one is possibly one of the most vicious, and that's the one accusing truth seekers (anti-vaccination advocates) of killing people with our perspectives. We had a hard time stomaching just how low Cracked went on that one. Do not trust the stats on that website. They are most likely manipulated. Besides, there is a preponderance of evidence that America over-vaccinates its children. If you don't believe us, just check how many shots other developed countries recommend in comparison to the U.S. We'll save you the time and give you the answer, it's a lot less.

The remaining garbage items on Cracked's list don't even come close to holding water. The third one indicating that conspiracy theories are a big business is rubbish. Most people who do their homework on pundits such as Alex Jones and Glenn Beck realize that they're just pieces of the Illuminati's gigantic puzzle. And as far as "bringing out the worst in people" (#4) goes, that bit is just poorly connected anecdotes that lack any real numbers.

The fifth and final item that accuses us of making it "impossible to fix the real problems" is way off the mark. For starters, WE ARE TRYING TO FIX THE REAL PROBLEMS!!! The hidden forces that control our world is the most pressing issue, and we are doing everything we can to raise awareness to stop it. How dare Cracked try to insinuate otherwise.

These people who try to debunk us fail miserably. The only ones they convince are those already brainwashed. That's because we do base our findings on evidence, we do consider all possibilities, and we do subject our findings to scrutiny. If you still don't believe, just take an objective look at the state of the world. It's rapidly becoming a morally bankrupt cesspool all set for the beast to take over.

If you're interested in seeing the original Cracked article, here's the link. http://www.cracked.com/article_21341_5-ways-every-conspiracy-theory-makes-world-worse_p2.html

Illuminati Watchdog, Illuminati Watchdog 5 Comments [12/15/2014 4:05:59 AM]
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Quote# 105255

[On a thread where global warming has been brought up]

Yes all studies put forward by scientists who know there are governments prepared to pay huge grants to come up with these theories. The same Governments who want to tax us more for lighting a fire, flying on an aeroplane or driving a car. The developing world do their best to catch up with our industrial revolution and ‘so called’ greenhouse gases are being bellowed out in India and China (and the USA) like never before.
There will be a theory put forward next that the Ice age was caused by farting Dinosaurs.
The Artic / Antarctic sea ice is an interesting phenomena which will ensure the seas level doesn’t rise sufficiently to have the scientists rushing to their boats quicker than you can say Albert Einstein.
As most of you will know, the sea is a bigger ‘carbon sink’ than any man made contrivance, this is largely caused by biomass including plankton sinking to the bottom of the deep oceans away from coastal pollutants.

[bolding for emphasis]

BrianIron, Iron-Bru 2 Comments [12/15/2014 4:05:41 AM]
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Quote# 105249

ANNA FREUD GOOGLE DOODLE

[...]Anna had a dream recorded in her father's The Interpretation of Dreams. It happened at 19 months of age and involved key words and events. There is a suggestion that her paper ''Beating Fantasies and Daydreams" is representative of her own life. It deals with beatings and an incestuous relationship with a father. That adds a terrible spin to the doodle that carries on through time to the recent disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Descendant Lucian Freud owned a villa in Praia da Luz where Madeleine disappeared. He could be described as a degenerate artist. Elisabeth Murdoch married Matthew Freud. They are part of the Chipping Norton set that includes PM Cameron. Has this systemic abuse carried on? Is the control of the human mind the ultimate weapon? I would answer in the affirmative.

Anna's dream keywords were "stwawbewwies, wild stwawbewwies." Strawberry Field was a children's home in Liverpool. It was immortalized in The Beatles song Strawberry Fields Forever. The Beatles were part of the MK Ultra style methods of mind control as is much of pop culture. The collections of children or other people by the state have quite often turned into a nightmare of abuse. It has been systemic throughout the British Empire. What Manchurian nightmare have they prepared for us this time?

George Freund, Conspiracy Cafe 11 Comments [12/14/2014 7:54:51 AM]
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Quote# 105248

There is a plan afoot to put America into turmoil. The scenario devised uses the age old Roman stratagem of DIVIDE AND CONQUER. There are few truly new tricks in the bag. It's only because you weren't taught many of them that they are still so effective. And the few who do understand are marginalized or made subservient.

Change is coming to the United States. The economy based on the Federal Reserve fiat currency is reaching its zenith. When that happens, there will be chaos. The New World Order loves chaos. It gets people begging for control of aspects of it. To circumvent the anger of financial collapse, it would serve the masters well to instigate a complete race war among the people. Better the masses fight each other than lynch the elites who wrecked the nation in hopes of building their global dream state upon the backs of the newly impoverished.

It appears an Occupy movement specialist was training the 'protesters' in Ferguson. Lisa Fithian is the one. Her C.V. is extensive. The Battle of Seattle, Occupy Wall Street, ACORN group, National People’s Action, the new version of the Students for a Democratic Society, among other radical organizations.

Of course we blew the whistle on the fakery right from the start. There was something strange that happened. The protesters didn't attack the gun shop and tattoo parlour. There were non actors present with real guns. They weren't in the script. The ammunition was real. The rioters backed off.

[...]

The New Yorker is telling us the house divided (The United States) will not stand. They planned it that way.

George Freund, Conspiracy Cafe 2 Comments [12/14/2014 7:54:27 AM]
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