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Quote# 5281

the problem with your rancor is that you see homosexuality such as not giving to the church or speeding in a car, and most Christians would see it as serious as murder

massdak, BaptistBoard 20 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5282

I will agree, Shepherd was a sodomite whore, simple as that. Too many people here, in the name of love, are more concerned with what our politically correct society says than what God says... Those of you here who want to buddy up to the sodomite crowd with the thought that you will win them over are sorely deceived.

Terry_Herrington, BaptistBoard 4 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5283

also concerning shepard, this young sodomite was possibly given mercy even though an evil act of murder took him, in respect to future judgment and added wrath for his on going homosexuality would of added much more wrath as time went on. so in short it was mercy in a spiritual sense that he didn't live a long life.

massdak, BaptistBoard 15 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5284

There is one person, in my eyes, mainly responsible for Mathew's death and that is himself. He led a reckless lifestyle and in the end he got caught... If Mathew would have conducted his life in a more responsible manner maybe he could have lived long enough for someone to reach out and wittness to him and yes, maybe he could have accepted Christ into his heart. That is the real tragedy as I see it.

Xingyi Warrior, BaptistBoard 11 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5285

It should be pointed out that if Matthew Shephard had not 'hit' on his soon to be killer, he might still be alive today. So to say that no one else is to blame for his murder is, in my opinion, wrong. His action led to a reaction, thus both 'parties' are to blame.

HeDied4U, BaptistBoard 18 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5286

I am not saying that Mathew deserved to die... I am simply saying that Mathew's sinful lifestyle and the resulting poor choices that he made are mostly responsible for his death.

Xingyi Warrior, BaptistBoard 6 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5287

If that same 'just' person is murdered because they placed themselves in a comprimising situation and I'm sorry if we disagree here but I believe that Mathew did, then they are, in part, to blame. You seem to be saying that Mathew had the right to conduct his lifestyle as recklessly as he wanted and should be absolved of all responsibility for the actions that ensued.

Xingyi Warrior, BaptistBoard 3 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5288

What constitutes [spousal] abuse? By what standard do you make this judgment [that it's grounds for divorce]? Does that change I Cor. 11:3 and Ephesians 5? If so, how? And, book, chapter and verse, please. Your argument is without biblical foundation. There is no divine inspired evidence to support your assertion.

Frank, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5289

[Replying to 'a woman is to stay with an abusive husband and just take it?']  That is pretty much what the Bible says.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 9 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5290

Would you please site the passage that states a woman is to leave her husband based on physical abuse. There is one for sexual immorality, but not for abuse... try reading how God instructed the Israelites to treat their slaves. There was a limitation on the amount of abuse, but there was quite a bit of abuse allowed.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 11 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5291

I'm sorry that you have a problem with this part of scripture. Do you have the same reaction to Jesus' statement that when one is struck one should simply turn the other cheek(to be struck again)?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5292

Jesus said that if someone physically abuses you, you are to turn the other cheek so that the abuse may continue. What are your thoughts?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 8 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5293

What do you think Jesus meant by turn the other cheek? It seems rather clear to me that it so that the person can strike you again. In other words, so that the physical abuse can continue... God will take care of us. If that means by death, as in Stephen's case, so be it.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 9 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5294

Your view is very materialistic. Do you have a problem with God's command that a man who rapes a woman is to be punished by having to marry her?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 29 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5295

When you have no scriptural support for your position, it is a good tactic to side step the issue and attack the other person. It doesn't deal with the topic, but it is a good tactic.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 14 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5296

I'm just wondering if there is something wrong if one is not willing to trust in God. I wondering if we might be missing something if we think that our safety is the most important thing. I don't find the instruction to leave if abused in the Bible. I find the instruction to leave over adultry, not over physical abuse. How much of this is our societal values working its way into out belief system?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5297

The closest thing that I can get for that is a combination of the turn the other cheek idea and Paul's statement that the man is the head of the family. If the wife has the husband arrested [for abuse], then the wife is usurping authority over her husband.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 11 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5298

[Replying to a hypothetical scenario of an abusive wife]Once again, I'm the head of the family, therefore am in a better position to deal with this problem than a woman would be from my Biblical perspective. I would have her stop. If she would not, then I'd have her arrested.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 3 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5299

She is knowingly having him thrown in jail and out of the house. This is usurping authority.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5300

Once again, an opion based on social values, but devoid of biblical suport.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5301

Yes, I agree that it [hitting] is abuse and pain. I would just like the see the scripture that backs up your position that this is grounds for divorce. There's one for adultry, but there isn't one for physical abuse. Do you believe Jesus wasn't aware of this problem?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 16 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5302

I really do believe that our societal values have worked its ways into the very core of beliefs. I'm not so sure this is such a good thing.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 0 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5303

Where in the Bible does it say that a husband who is a jerk or in violation of civil law is not to be respected and to be the head of the family?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 15 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5304

You are making the mistake of believing that what happens to us is important. It is our own relationship with God which is important. This is the very reason why slavery is allowed in a Godly community. This is the very reason why liberals must make up excuses for why there are so many insonsitancies between their idea of a loving God and what the Bible says God commands.

Eladar, BaptistBoard 5 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 5305

If this is incorrect, then why is slavery allowed in the Christian community?

Eladar, BaptistBoard 7 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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