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You Might be a Statist

You think that others can morally make decisions about the appropriate use of the private property of another person.

You hate greedy corporations, but think an organization such as the government - itself a greedy organization- will protect you from greedy corporations.

You think it is possible for government to change the laws of supply and demand or determine an appropriate response to scarcity.

You think your neighbor, or some guy on the other side of town, should be restricted from owning a firearm, since he might be a psychopath, while simultaneously assuming that some other guy, who might be a psychopath, can be armed because a third guy or group of people - none of whom you have ever met - authorizes it.

You think the moral nature of theft, murder, slavery, assault, and kidnapping change dependent upon the size of the group that authorizes these actions.

You are scared of the idea of consenting adults engaging in free trade; especially if they are not taxed or regulated.

You think it is morally justified to withhold trade with the people of a country - called an embargo or imposing sanctions - in order to blackmail the ostensible ruler(s) of that country to do your bidding.

You assert that guns cause crime, food causes obesity, schools cause education, or states create wealth.

You are not aware that most regulations are in place to protect existing companies from competition.

You claim separation of church and state, then vote for government to enforce your beliefs and values.

You think charity only happens when the government gives money to poor people.

You think that rules written by bureaucrats of the state can be used to control the state.

You think it's okay to give up some rights for security.

You believe that health care, education, housing, and food are rights.

anonymous, secrets of the fed 42 Comments [7/29/2014 3:29:13 AM]
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Mister Spak

You might be a Kochist

You claim you deserve to run everybody and everything because you have more money than me.

7/29/2014 3:56:15 AM

Bobo Bolinsky

Unmitigated bullshit. Tell the Ayn Rand fan to move to Somolia, where the State doesn't exist.

7/29/2014 3:56:28 AM

Skide

Damn right, health care, education, housing and not starving to fucking death ARE rights! Don`t like it? Tough.

Your little capitalist utopia is dying and the most you can do, is whine about it on the internets, wait a decade or two and instead of harmless kids occupying wall street, you`ll have people dragging your GOP idols to be hanged from the lamp posts.

7/29/2014 4:06:28 AM

Reynardine

I even believe that air, water, and being able to go to the toilet are rights! I'm your nightmare!

7/29/2014 4:10:45 AM

anothga

You believe that health care, education, housing, and food are rights.
Yeah! Because it's totally not your right to satisfy minimum standards needed for you to survive.

7/29/2014 4:56:38 AM

Mark Poe

Rampant Capitalism: the only system where scumbaggry is encouraged, promoted, rewarded and considered a virtue.

7/29/2014 5:03:24 AM

Doubting Thomas

You think your neighbor, or some guy on the other side of town, should be restricted from owning a firearm, since he might be a psychopath, while simultaneously assuming that some other guy, who might be a psychopath, can be armed because a third guy or group of people - none of whom you have ever met - authorizes it.

The thing is that the guy with the authority to use a firearm in the course of his duties is bound to the authority of the people, and if he abuses that authority he is held accountable. Furthermore, there are psychological tests which are often given before allowing someone to be a police officer.

It's certainly preferable to getting a gun in the hands of as many people as possible. The problem I have with gun nuts and the NRA is that they constantly block any legislation designed at getting guns out of the hands of known psychopaths.

7/29/2014 5:30:04 AM

dionysus

You think that others can morally make decisions about the appropriate use of the private property of another person.

Can I do some coal rolling in front of your house? Or play my drums at 2 in the morning? I won't be ON your property, I'll just be right in front of it.

You hate greedy corporations, but think an organization such as the government - itself a greedy organization- will protect you from greedy corporations.

My philosophy is that you can't let either get too powerful. However, at least the government has checks and balances. What checks and balances are there to prevent a corporation from exploiting people for profit in sweat shops?

You think the moral nature of theft, murder, slavery, assault, and kidnapping change dependent upon the size of the group that authorizes these actions.

Huh?

You are scared of the idea of consenting adults engaging in free trade; especially if they are not taxed or regulated.

So what happens if adult 1 decides to start selling fake Xboxes or worse yet fake medicine?

You think it is morally justified to withhold trade with the people of a country - called an embargo or imposing sanctions - in order to blackmail the ostensible ruler(s) of that country to do your bidding.

And you think it's morally justified to keep feeding a regime money and power if they violate human rights?

You claim separation of church and state, then vote for government to enforce your beliefs and values.

I don't. Unless you mean political values. Why shouldn't I vote for what I believe in? You don't vote? Oh and political beliefs are not a religion (though some people's political beliefs are religious).

You think that rules written by bureaucrats of the state can be used to control the state.

That's called government. If the state has no ability to write rules then you functionally have an anarchy.

You believe that health care, education, housing, and food are rights.

Damn right. Those are vital for a decent, first world standard of living. Take those away and we're a third world banana republic and the average income and life expectancy plummets. Oh, and even many corporations are in favor of free public education. Without it, they don't have as many skilled employees to choose from. Although, some would benefit from us being a third world country.

7/29/2014 5:34:03 AM

Da Rat Bastid

(dionysus)
"Can I do some coal rolling in front of your house? Or play my drums at 2 in the morning? I won't be ON your property, I'll just be right in front of it."


First of all, what's coal rolling?

Second, you wanna play your drums outside my home at a time when I'm normally awake already? Knock yourself out, dude. *laughs*

Ah, so you'd then switch to playing at 2 pm, when I'd be asleep. Nice try. *taps his bedroom wall* Can you say "soundproof"? I knew you could.

(OP)
"You think the moral nature of theft, murder, slavery, assault, and kidnapping change dependent upon the size of the group that authorizes these actions."

(dionysus)
"Huh?"


Probable translation of OP's statement: "You think it's okay for a government to get away with doing horrible things that would never be tolerated if other people did them."

(OP)
"You think that rules written by bureaucrats of the state can be used to control the state."

(dionysus)
"That's called government. If the state has no ability to write rules then you functionally have an anarchy."
(emphasis mine)

Indeed, you would. *nods* What's your point?

7/29/2014 5:39:21 AM

Hasan Prishtina

You think that others can morally make decisions about the appropriate use of the private property of another person.

So if someone smashes your car, the police and courts should not be involved in providing you redress because that would be interfering with your private property.

You hate greedy corporations, but think an organization such as the government - itself a greedy organization- will protect you from greedy corporations.

So there is no point in police or courts - part of the judicial system of government worrying about theft, fraud etc.

You think your neighbor, or some guy on the other side of town, should be restricted from owning a firearm, since he might be a psychopath, while simultaneously assuming that some other guy, who might be a psychopath, can be armed because a third guy or group of people - none of whom you have ever met - authorizes it.

You have a point; the mentally ill have a tough time. It would be statist to worry about allowing a psychopath to look after your children.

You think the moral nature of theft, murder, slavery, assault, and kidnapping change dependent upon the size of the group that authorizes these actions.

So citizens who pay their taxes to be protected by the police from murderers are fine with the Khmer Rouge?

You are scared of the idea of consenting adults engaging in free trade; especially if they are not taxed or regulated.

Fine by me; just don't go looking for any redress when you get your fingers burned.

You think it is morally justified to withhold trade with the people of a country - called an embargo or imposing sanctions - in order to blackmail the ostensible ruler(s) of that country to do your bidding.

Every individual has the choice whether to trade or not. When we elect representatives to a national assembly, we authorize them to make such decisions on behalf of our country. Forcing people to trade against their will is a bit statist, no?

You assert that guns cause crime, food causes obesity, schools cause education, or states create wealth.

Guns can indeed be used to commit crime. I've never heard anyone, not even a Breatharian, claim that food, per se, causes obesity. Education is generally what takes place in schools, so one could say that they cause people to become educated, yes. And states, under the right conditions, can create wealth; ask the Chinese and South Koreans.

You are not aware that most regulations are in place to protect existing companies from competition.

So that's why we have an elaborate legislative system designed to minimize monopoly and promote competition?

You claim separation of church and state, then vote for government to enforce your beliefs and values.

Democracy, like capitalism, is about the right to choose. It seems you have a problem with that.

You think charity only happens when the government gives money to poor people.

Show me someone who thinks that. And "charity" means "the voluntary giving of help to those in need."

You think that rules written by bureaucrats of the state can be used to control the state.

That's why we employ bureaucrats. We have three branches of government: legislative, judicial, and executive. Without them, there is no legislation and without legislation, there is no redress when people damage you, your family, or your stuff.

You think it's okay to give up some rights for security.

And what do you define as your "rights"? Yes, we surrender rights for our protection. But please, exercise your right to drink two bottles of whiskey and go for a long, long drive on the highway.

You believe that health care, education, housing, and food are rights.

Four Freedoms. Read them.

7/29/2014 5:57:27 AM

Mister Spak

@Da Rat Bastid:

(dionysus)
"Can I do some coal rolling in front of your house? Or play my drums at 2 in the morning? I won't be ON your property, I'll just be right in front of it."

First of all, what's coal rolling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbAhfThNoco

7/29/2014 6:18:25 AM

Swede

- Yes, if the property is used in ways that might be harmful to others or to society.
- The government is comprised of people who are there by popular demand; they can be voted out. The government is our representatives; they work for us. So yes, I trust them more than I do greedy corporations.
- It's not just possible, governments do that all the time.
- I think gun ownership ought to be regulated. People ought to show that they are able and responsible to handle a gun, just like you have to do a driving test. It ought to be a privilege, that has to be earned.
- Murder, assault, slavery and kidnapping are all bad, all the time. Theft, if you're starving or freezing, is a bit less morally wrong than otherwise.
- Consenting adults engage in free trade all the time; buying and selling stuff on the Internet.
- I think it's morally justified to withhold trade with the corporations of a country, in order to make the ruler of that country stop with crimes against human rights, yes.
- Guns make assault and battery into murder, theft into robbery and perhaps murder. Food causes energy, too much energy and too little exercise cause obesity. Schools cause learning, if it works well it causes education. States don't create wealth, no, but they can create a stable environment in which people are secure enough to seek their dreams without being scared of poverty. Scared people are dangerous people, secure people are innovative people.
- There are quite a few regulations that protect competition from existing companies, as well.
- I vote for governments to enforce my secular beliefs and political values, stupid.
- I think charity happens when we help each other out, when we don't look down on the "little poor brown people", but think "that could have been me, if I were born there instead of here".
- I think democracy and the right to vote help rules to control the state.
- Nope, if you give up rights to secure rights, then you have already lost. That's what Dubbya Shrub made Americans do.
- More or less, yes. We all need them, regardless of how much money we have. They were rights, in effect, in Sweden before the current government took over almost 8 years ago. Now, not so much...

7/29/2014 6:30:32 AM

Da Rat Bastid

*watches the Youtube vid pertaining to coal rolling*

Thanks, Mister Spak, for helping me learn something new today. That having been said--ew, that's just stupid. I've read about various anti-environmentalist types doing this sort of thing. Yeah, we'll sure show those tree-worshipping granola-eaters what's what! *facepalms*

Oh, by the way: since "coal rolling" is now a thing, I want my cheap pre-draconian-taxes cigarettes back, kthxbai.

7/29/2014 6:32:36 AM

christial_leftie

These arguments all of course lie upon a certain premise of what government is and what laws should be allowed, which is contrary to those used by the rest of the world.

If you think the government is employed by the people to do the bidding of the people for the betterment of the society in which we live, then there is no way that any of the arguments being made here make sense.

7/29/2014 6:41:10 AM

Da Rat Bastid

(Swede)
"I think gun ownership voting ought to be regulated. People ought to show that they are able and responsible to handle a gun vote, just like you have to do a driving test. It ought to be a privilege, that has to be earned."


Doesn't sound so good now, does it?

7/29/2014 6:43:56 AM



Interesting that you mention the law of supply and demand, since you right-wing fucking idiots never understand that there IS no demand unless the majority of the people are earning enough to buy what your rich buddies are selling. If it weren't for the eevil state, you'd be experiencing "scarcity" because you'd be making 75 cents for a 15 hour work day.

7/29/2014 7:10:50 AM

Elaugaufein

@Da Rat Bastid

Actually if I believed that voting could be regulated fairly then I'd support that (optimally speaking, people who have no idea what they are voting about shouldn't vote in that situation) but I don't (it's more or less inherent that any test of political knowledge is easily politically biased).

Gun ownership doesn't have this problem, testing if you are competent to handle a firearm is easily done without validating any but your most basic personal beliefs (Is it okay to shoot someone for no reason? etc).

7/29/2014 7:27:25 AM

Goomy pls

That last part is simply horrible. Most of it was fatuous and inane, but that last bit.

If they are rights, does it not give the people more freedom, which your ideology is all about? Is this not true?

7/29/2014 7:30:11 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Mister Spak

Or in this quoted turdbag's case, a Cockist.

Because that's what he's talking. And even at that, he sucks & blows. X3

7/29/2014 7:41:28 AM

Mark Poe

You know, greedy bastards are bad enough in a society where governments at least attempts to alleviate the worst excess of that, what you're suggesting is a system where there's NOTHING to check the actions of greedy bastards, which means that you, YOU, are tactically advocating for that kind of thing.

Then again, as long as you grab the pie, it's "f--k everyone else!" right?

7/29/2014 7:44:01 AM



"You claim separation of church and state, then vote for government to enforce your beliefs and values."

Yes. Beliefs about matters of STATE. Not the same as someone trying to force their religious beliefs on others.


"most regulations are in place to protect existing companies from competition."

Your free market bullshit again. Like when they deregulate utilities, claiming that natural gas prices will plummet due to competition, but the companies simply jack up prices overnight and then conspire to keep them high forever. Or when they deregulate banking and people lose their life savings overnight. Yeah, that gubmint regulation is terrible.


7/29/2014 7:45:10 AM

freako104

You might be a complete moron if you make a post or like the op or believe it to be true

7/29/2014 8:03:54 AM



In which farm did you find material for so many strawmen?

7/29/2014 8:24:51 AM



And who the fuck are you to tell me what I think, claim, hate, assert, and believe?

7/29/2014 8:31:22 AM

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