Mike Huckabee, doing his best to channel Dr. Jenna Jacobs, said in a recent interview with televangelist Jim Bakker that he doesn’t have any personal animus towards gay people, explaining that he opposes gay rights merely because that is what the Bible commands him to do.

Huckabee, who once called homosexuality “an aberrant, unnatural and sinful lifestyle” and demanded that the government quarantine people with HIV/AIDS, said he is offended that anyone thinks he is homophobic.

“The way that we’ve allowed words like tolerance, bigotry — what has happened to us, we allow ourselves to be called homophobic or bigoted, we’re not,” Huckabee told Bakker in the latest segment of their interview recent interview to be posted online. “We are just people who believe that there is a standard that was not ours, it was God’s, it was given to us and for us to change it we have to get his permission.”

This led Huckabee to rant against the public schools for undermining “core moral values” and teaching that America is an “evil, imperialistic nation,” telling Bakker that “it’s pretty frightening in that there are so many ways in which the education system is not educating but indoctrinating, it’s why we see so many parents who are going to homeschool or pulling their children out of government-operated school.”

Bakker also talked with Huckabee about how the former governor had many gay employees at Fox News and “gay people visit in your home,” proving that he is “not a hater.”

“We’re not trying to outlaw anybody, we’re not trying to cut back anybody, all we’re saying is, we want to believe the word of the Bible that we believe to be the word of the living God,” Bakker said.

Huckabee then took the opportunity to call on conservative Christians to get involved in politics to fight the War on Christmas and gay rights: “We’re involved when the government says you can’t have a nativity scene, you can’t sing Christmas carols. We’re already involved when we’re told that we can’t have a marriage ceremony that is limited to one man, one woman. We’re already involved when a photographer is told that she’s going to have to take photos of a same-sex wedding or a caterer is told that she’ll have to do a same-sex wedding cake.”