“I am against abortion. I see it as murder. I preach against it; however, it is legal in my country. I would love to see it criminalized however my concern is that if it were made illegal the practice would continue in the black market without even a slowdown. But while it is legal the practice is at least governed by health department rules. Given that many of the woman are actually scared young girls, is it not better that their health is at least looked after by laws?” Rudy Du Plooy
#?sarcasm?# I am against the shooting of Jewish families and would like to see it criminalized. But my concern is that if it were made illegal, Nazis would continue to shoot them. At least if it's sanctioned by the government it is done properly. Many of those killing the families are just scared young Nazis—just children. If the murders were legal it would be better for their health. #sarcasm#
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Abortion is a medical procedure, and is of concern only to the patient and the doctor. Unless it's your wife, girlfriend or (possibly, not certainly) your daughter, it definitely is none of your business. Maybe if you spent less time telling others how to run their lives, you could actually produce something useful with your own.
Killing is killing, right enough - a human life, and potentially a long, happy and fruitful life full of joy, sadness, hope and love, is irrevocably extinguished in both cases.
However, the analogy only goes so far - in the case of abortion there is a compeating right on the part of the mother to control of her body. The child's right to life compeats with the mother's rights, and the compromise most nations settle on is termination at will up to a certain term, and thereafter in specific circumstances (usually health related).
A proper analogy would be to killing in self-defence or as a matter of deterence (i.e. the death penalty), where one person's right to life is balanced against the potential victim's right to life, or against the proper protection of society. Again, in those cases two rights clash, and killing is again permitted in tightly controlled circumstances.
Well, if this Rudy Du Plooy, whoever he is, considers abortion to be murder, then Comfort is right in this case. You can't make exceptions for murder. If you do, such as with justifiable homicide, then by definition it is no longer murder in that case.
Wow, way to totally miss the fucking point, there, Ray.
And a good point it is, too. Even if you were a reasonable person who opposed abortion, which you clearly aren't, you would see the logic in having professionals carry them out rather than criminalizing the whole enterprise and forcing women to take far more drastic measures.
You are a danger to others, Ray because it's men like you who would take away other people's choices just to appease your sky fairy.
Abortion is not like Nazis shooting Jewish children.
Foetuses are not sentient, and women are not bigoted against them, nor do they wish to kill all foetuses. In fact, most of the time, they get an abortion because of rape, incest, or teen pregnancy, or because of a nonviable foetus or serious health risks if it were carried to term.
The Nazis were also against abortion.
Rudy is right in that banning abortions doesn't stop abortions, it just stops safe abortions.
The Jewish family members are sentient, self-sustaining human beings. Embryos are neither of those things, and about 50-85 percent of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions, a.k.a miscarriages, most before the woman knows she's pregnant.
In most countries where abortions are legal, you can only have an abortion after week 18 if the woman's health is threatened, or if there is something wrong with the fetus. Almost no countries allow abortion-on-demand after week 22, as a few premature babies have survived at that stage.
I mistook the first quote for Ray at first and I thought "wait this is too reasonable, it can't possibly be him who said this", then I saw the quote marks and read the second part, THERE's the religitard I've come to know.
This smug, dismissive arrogance will only lose you potential allies, Ray. Heck. Rudy has said that he finds legalised abortion to be murder, you have some common ground, but through your snarky response, purely because he's come to a more reasonable conclusion through rational thought, you will only alienate him. Though, I'm not complaining about that; the more that abandon you the better.
@ Warren McIntosh
A proper analogy would be to killing in self-defence or as a matter of deterence (i.e. the death penalty
Except that no developed country except the USA actually uses the death penalty. Because it's not a deterrent, it's revenge. Make guns less available and maybe the USA's murder rate might drop by around eighty per cent to somewhere around, say, the UK's. I'm not holding my breath on that one though, not while the USA needs a huge resourse of prisoners to provide free labour for their ridiculously bloated military.
But Jewish families aren't moving into your house uninvited, commandeering your blood supply and then demanding to be housed and fed for the next 18 years; plus they're actual human beings, not clumps of cells.
@Herp Derpington
I am keeping that image!
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