[Explaining how divorce is so much worse than rape]
According to Deut, rape is only bad (except for the violance aspect) in that it goes against marriage. Divorce is a much more public, obvious affront to marriage than rape. SO I stand with my original answer.
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>>except for the violance aspect<<
Except for the humiliation, and the violation, the effect it has on the victim, and the whatnot. You know, everything that makes it wrong. Except for these things, yes, rape is only bad in that it goes against marriage. It's so obvious. Why didn't I see it before?
But if you "spend the night under the same roof" or in other words, if you have sex, you are married according to the bible.
And divorce is much more public? It deals with less people than rape does. With rape you've got the victim, doctors, psychologists, the entire legal system, family, reporters, the entire city/state. With divorce you've got the man, the woman (or man/man woman/woman in same sex marriages), the family, a clerk in the city hall, 2 lawyers and a judge to see who get's what.
If you take a look at those items you'll se that rape is far more public than divorce.
What if your spouse rapes you? How many rapes would you need to justify divorce according to oliveplants? Or is it always better to be raped by your spouse than to divorce? Or is oliveplants unable to even comprehend the notion of spousal rape? (Some fundies here HAVE argued that by marrying someone, a woman (of course) gives consent to sex anytime her husband wants.)
"What if your spouse rapes you? How many rapes would you need to justify divorce according to oliveplants? Ot is it always better to be raped by your spouse than to divorce? Or is oliveplants unable to even comprehend the notion of spousal rape? (Some fundies here HAVE argued that by marrying someone, a woman (of course) gives consent to sex anytime her husband wants.)"
I don't have to guess her opinion. There was a really scary thread a few months ago...
Ugh. I would dig it up for quotes, but this thread was enough nausea for the week.
Rape doesn't "go against marriage"; it really has no relationship to marriage at all. Rape is about brutal subjugation.
Rape "goes against" everything that any decent person values, such as caring, privacy, security, safety, and personal respect. Rape is violent, hurtful, abusive, degrading, and dehumanizing -- I really cannot conjure the words to deal with this topic adequately, but hopefully most people can get the idea. And also, I cannot conjure the words to express my disgust with the comments of oliveplants.
~David D.G.
Of course, this is the kind of morality one gets from the Bible. Read the story of Lot sometime. He offered to have his virgin daughters gang raped rather than hand two visitors (we are led to believe they are angels) to the mobs of Sodom. (Genesis 19:4-8)
Some high and mighty morality that is.
The Bible would be the LAST place I would ever look in for guidelines on moral conduct.
Listen, olivepants, just because you and your bible condone rape, that doesn't mean that intelligent, rational persons think that way.
I stand *on* your original answer... and urinate on it.
Now I see the real purpose of the Internet. If this guy, or any other crazy fundie, actually said something like that in real life, he would be very, very dead. But from the safety of his computer screen, he can be a soulless bigot to his tiny black heart's content!
Yay for sociopathic fundigeeks!
In fairness, 75 percent of the respondents to that poll said that rape was worse.
Some of us Christians know better than to make asinine comments like oliveplants but then, liberal Christians aren't expected to put our brains and our minds on the hat rack by the door when we enter churches (like the fundies are expected to do!).
What if your spouse rapes you? How many rapes would you need to justify divorce according to oliveplants? Ot is it always better to be raped by your spouse than to divorce? Or is oliveplants unable to even comprehend the notion of spousal rape? (Some fundies here HAVE argued that by marrying someone, a woman (of course) gives consent to sex anytime her husband wants.)
According to the OT, that's pretty much it. >_< Except when the wife is "impure" (has her periods), there the law is that both are to be exiled from the tribe (often a death sentence).
Rape doesn't "go against marriage"; it really has no relationship to marriage at all. Rape is about brutal subjugation.
The OT views rape as a crime against the property of the husband/father of the victim... (and if the victim was a married woman and got raped in the village/city and didn't manage to cry for help/wasn't heard, she was to be stoned along with the rapist. If she wasn't married yet the rapist had to pay her father 100 shekels and marry her [/puke]). And that view subsisted well into the second millenium AD.
I remember reading a book on the history of rape, for example there was the story of a judge (in Paris IIRC, but not too sure on the time anymore. Sometime between the 9th and the 14th century, I 'd say) who "proved" that it was impossible for a lone man to rape a woman. His "demonstration" was to wiggle a scabbard, making it impossible to sheathe the sword... Another thing I remember is that little boys who got raped were considered as guilty as their agressor, and were to be executed (burned at the stake IIRC).
Disregarding the horror of the rape and blaming the victim has a long, loooong history...
Clearly, olivepants has never been raped before.
Yeah, I know his name isn't olivepants. Comically reducing his name makes him easier to make fun of and allows me to maintain a semblance of sanity. This as opposed to flying off the handle and screaming "FUCK YOURSELF WITH A RAKE AND DIE IN A FIRE YOU STUPID PIECE OF FUCKING FUCK MOTHERFUCKER FUCKING ARGHSDSALDKFJAS."
Firstly, Deuteronomy doesn't have much to say about rape affecting marriage one way or the other, except in the cases in which the woman is stoned to death, of course.
Secondly, a good, honest Christian shouldn't be taking a page from Deuteronomy, anyway. Hell-ooo? New Testament, anybody? If you're gonna live by the Old, you better be tithing, laying off the bacon, and lighting some fucking candles, kiddo.
Confused?
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