Too many have bought into the "New History" being taught which is a lie. 26 of the signers of the Constitution were ordained Ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and all were Christians to some degree.
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Even if the founders intended you to be a christian nation, THAT IS NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO BE ONE!
"The US Congress was the first printer of the Bible"
Uh, no. Ever heard of Gutenberg???
And I'm fine with religion being free from gov't intervention, as long as we have government free from religious intervention.
Even if this were true (which it isn't), all this would show is that the founding fathers were idiots. Quite a large chunk of the people who moved to America to found the colonies, as they were at the time, did so because they faced discrimination or outright persecution, both by law and by society, due to the fact their religion differed from the state approved one. According to this guy, the founding fathers thought that they had created a nation where people are free to worship as they choose by simply replacing the state approved religion from the old world with a different, slightly more encompassing state approved religion in the new one, and they weren't smart enough to realize that having any sort of state approved religion would lead to discrimination and/or persecution of those who don't follow it.
Of course, to come to this conclusion, you have to quietly ignore that the First Amendment exists.
@Lemonaidemon,http://www.liarsforjesus.com/
You can get it on Kindle, NOOK, Regular Book or read it for free on that site.
The founding fathers owned slaves too, so I guess we should bring back slavery.
Seriously, I really hate this "we should do things the way they were done 200 years ago" idea. There's a reason our society has progressed, it's because we allow change. And part of that change is realizing that it's far better to keep religion and government separate. The founding fathers would really hate to see Christians twisting their ideas in order to force Christianity into government. That's exactly what they intended to prevent with the First Amendment.
That's not even to say that it's a flat out lie that all founding fathers were fundamentalist Christians.
I'm not going to touch the rest because I'm not in the mood.
However...
You don't get to lie about the history of books and twist the sacred art of bookmaking into something that suits your whims. Gutenburg Bible bitch. Printed in the 1450s, and in Germany by Johaan Gutenburg likely in 1455. More than three centuries before the US was even an idea much less a reality.
True, there were religious loonies back in those days which is why they made sure to tell us in the constitution that THOSE LOONIES ARE NOT PERMITTED TO BOSS THE REST OF US AROUND, end of rant.
Those Protestant loonies prevailed in the pre-revolutionary colonies to the point that, since they thought reading the bible was all the education anyone needed, there was no printing press in the United States until a CENTURY after there was one in Mexico City. They are the REASON for the first amendment, because the founding fathers saw what harm religious extremists can do.
How do you make someone stop blatantly lying when you can't hit them?
@ Lemonaidemon:
Full on victim of David Barton lie tour, coming to a bullshitting church near you.
As a couple have pointed out Chris Rodda has done a thorough debunking of Bartons lies, it's worth a look because of volume of accepted bullshit in fundamentalism beyond the Biblical claims. The poor woman has lost weeks of her life to counter this bullshit, not because it was complex or hard to research, just because of the amount of lies. It's terrible that people need to do this, Bartons nonsense would have been called out as bullshit in most countries and he's be shamed to obscurity. Free speech was never intended to support lies, it's mostly an American phenomena where this shit works.
They just DON'T Care about reality or being honest, they don't care that he lies, the myth and it's continual push is so important to their existence.
Yale and Harvard were originally colleges founded to educate ministers and missionaries.
1. Yale and Harvard are private institutions and tell you nothing about the form of government the country adopted, or do Republicans now not understand the concept of private property?
Also, Frank, if we were never intended to be free from xtianity, the founding documents could easily have mentioned it.Those guys were nothing if not reasonably and thoughtfully literate. If they had wanted to specify anything along the lines of "Jesus Christ","Christianity","God of Abraham","God of the Bible",or "Biblical principles",they'd have done so. I don't recall reading anywhere that a tragic ink shortage forced their hands to any sort of regrettable economy.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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