It should also be mentioned here that human embryos, whether they are in a laboratory, a woman’s womb, or wherever, are complete human beings--spirit, soul, and body. (That is why when a girl or woman is pregnant she is said to be “with child.” There is a child in her womb. It is not called “with embryo” or “with fetus” or “with tissue.”) And to kill (abort) one of these people is also murder.
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Then why, oh Reverend, does your own holy book clearly state that a human's soul enters the body with the first breath?
Much more often than "with child," the KJV uses the word "fruit" as in "fruit of the womb." So, not "child," not "embryo," "fetus," or "tissue." Just fruit - not even animal.
It is more convenient to use the everyday designation "baby" during gestation. There is seldom call to employ the precise biological terms unless gestation is the subject under discussion. Further, despite your insistence on declaring abortion murder, it is not. The abortion = murder equation is simply emotional claptrap used by people with weak vocabularies.
First, show me a soul and I'll believe it. Second, you're making things up there, because the bible didn't even manage to place abortion on its handy-dandy Top Ten List-o-Sins. It doesn't even outrank "coveting".
Funny. You use many words, but all I hear in my head is, "Hee-haw. Hee-haw. Hee-haw."
You religious types sure do love your verbal legerdemain, don't you? Think about it the next time you have unfertilized chicken embryos* for breakfast.
* Calling an egg an unfertilized embryo is just as accurate as you jerks that insist on calling a zygote an "unborn baby."
Because "with child" was used a couple hundred years ago before anyone understood fetal development.
And please tell me how a recently fertilized egg cell is a "complete human being." You must be one who believes that sperm meets egg, then poof! Fully formed tiny human baby inside the woman's body.
"It should also be mentioned here that human embryos, whether they are in a laboratory, a woman’s womb, or wherever, are complete human beings"
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Here's an embryo. It has no arms, no legs, no ears, no eyes as we would recognize them in babies let alone adults, no nose, no hair, no face, and no bone. And that's just the stuff you can see with your naked eye. But most importantly, it has no brain. It doesn't even have any neural activity at this age. It also has a tail. In what stretch of the imagination is this a "complete human being"?
>That is why when a girl or woman is pregnant she is said to be “with child.” There is a child in her womb. It is not called “with embryo” or “with fetus” or “with tissue."
The expression "with child" is older than knowledge of basic biology, and when my sister was pregnant I'd ask "How's the teratoma?"
Then why isn't my birthday the moment of my conception instead of when I was actually born?
And more importantly, why do human embryos (the state of development when most abortions happen) so closely resemble rat embryos and the embryo of basically every other mammal? These aren't babies, these are only potentially a baby, no different than a seed is an oak tree.
Sure, and the sun travels around the Earth, which is why we say "sunrise."
Yeah, base your outlook on life on generalities.
Let's break it down in a way a dumb priest might get.
Alice is three months pregnant but scared to tell anyone yet due to the fact she's unwed, only fifteen and will be ostracized by her family and the congregates at the Batavia fantasy home.
She doesn't show yet so no one has said she's "with child" in another month they'll be saying she's got a spare ribs monkey on her back and as usual that Rev Matthew is full of shit.
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