So, google fetal homicide laws. You don't seem to realize that in many nations, abortion is legally considered murder as well. In the Netherlands and Belgium, infant euthanasia is not considered to be murder. And can you please cite me a single scientific source that denies that fetuses are human beings?
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Obviously it depends on how you define the term "human being", and also how you define "murder". Its not an appeal to some independent absolute value on either side, its simply a question of what laws a community wants to apply. Once that's decided, how you define things is just a mechanical exercise in order to achieve the desired outcome.
To murder someone is to stop that person from breathing or stop their brains from working. An embryo doesn't breathe and has no functioning nervous system.
The Bible says that life begins with a breath.
Euthanasia is "mercy-killing"; ending a life that has no chance to be decent, often done at the request of the dying person.
Fundie politicians creating fetal homicide laws in an attempt to establish fetal personhood as a backdoor way of slowly outlawing abortion does not change the fact that a fetus is not a person.
There should be infant euthanasia laws to allow parents to put sick children with no hope of recovery or quality of life out of their misery.
Still living in that river in Egypt over Roe vs. Wade, eh?
Romans 13:1-5, bitches.
Oh, and I can cite a single Biblical source that denies that fetuses are human beings:
Hosea 13:16.
Can you say 'Do as I say, not as I do', Toldya Sliceyeranus? I know you can.
In the UK infanticide is not considered as murder. I think this reflects the fact that the law recognises that there is such a thing as post puerperal psychosis and depression. Possibly the laws in the Netherlands and Belgium are intended to reflect this as well.
I don't know what the case is in the US ,but as US law was originally based on UK law perhaps it is the same or similar
Verbatim from Wikipedia . Following legalisation of abortion child mortality drops in the US:
In the United States the infanticide rate during the first hour of life dropped from 1.41 per 100,000 during 1963 to 1972 to 0.44 per 100,000 for 1974 to 1983; the rates during the first month of life also declined, whereas those for older infants rose during this time.[124] The legalization of abortion, which was completed in 1973, was the most important factor in the decline in neonatal mortality during the period from 1964 to 1977, according to a study by economists associated with the National Bureau of Economic Research.[124][125]
@Bashibozkedi
I don't know what the case is in the US ,but as US law was originally based on UK law perhaps it is the same or similar
I don't think so. Laws vary from state to state, but any woman killing her infant, whether she's suffering from post partum depression or not is likely to land her in prison with a lengthy sentence in this country.
@Kanna
I get the message. You don't like abortion. Then don't have one. Yes, it is that simple.
If they adopted that attitude then they wouldn't be able to control women's lives.
You don't seem to realize that in many nations, abortion is legally considered murder as well.
And in those countries, there are women serving 30-year jail sentences for an involuntary miscarriage.
I think this person is trying to equivocate laws that allow for a killer to be tried for 2 murders rather than one if the victim is a mother where both she and the fetus die, with abortion.
Which is so fractually wrong, I can feel the aneurysm forming.
First, not all countries or states have such laws or recognize the fetus as a person enough to warrant two charges, as was pointed out.
Second, countries/ states that do all revolve around the intent of the mother. If the prosecution can prove said fetus was intended to be carried to term as a baby, then yes, two charges could be made. Which is different from abortion since the mother's intent is to not carry the fetus to term.
It's not that hard to figure out.
Confused?
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