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if you drop out of school and wind up poor, its your fault.

if you have kids outside of marriage and can't work so you can take care of them, its your fault.

if you don't save your money and wind up relying on the government for support when you are too old to work, its your fault.

life is about choices. you make the right ones, you succeed. you make crappy ones, you suffer the consequences. the money i and any other americans WORK for should not be used to support someone because they were too stupid to stay in school or wait until they were married to have sex. nobody is entitled to anything. the government has NO right to take my money and give it to someone else. if someone needs help, they can go to a church for help. that's what tithing is for, so that the church can support itself and others. i give my money willingly there, and they can have what they need.

Ryan, Myspace 30 Comments [5/10/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Jeremy

<< if you have kids outside of marriage and can't work so you can take care of them, its your fault. >>

But abortion is COMPLETELY out of the question, obviously.

5/10/2006 4:36:26 AM

Papabear

\"life is about choices. you make the right ones, you succeed. you make crappy ones, you suffer the consequences.\"

While I share some of your frustration with the stupid choices some people make, you need to understand that often one can make the right choices and still wind up in trouble. Similarly, most of us know of cases where someone has made \"crappy\" choices and skated through life relatively unscathed.

5/10/2006 4:49:43 AM

NKF

Of course, the most civilized society would let its unfortunate members suffer and die with naught but a quiet whimper. Oh sure, we may be wealthy, but an individual's money is far better spent as a down payment on a new car than saving lives.

I don't like to resort to ad hominems but Ryan is cold. Just plain cold.

5/10/2006 4:59:12 AM

ryan

I am not this poster, although I do agree with a lot of his sentiment. The one I take exception with is the kids outside of marriage. While I agree its the parents fault that is no reason to punish the child. Having parents that made bad choices doesn't mean the child is guilty.

5/10/2006 5:06:12 AM

Julian

\"Republicanism in a nutshell\"

* Fuck the underprivaleged.
* Blame the victim.
* Ignore misfortune.
* Pretend the unfortunate deserve their lot.
* Demonise your fellow citizens to allow you to sleep easy and ignore their suffering as you callously maximize your wealth.
* Fuck the poor - it was their fault they were born into a disadvantaged family.
* Illness only happens to bad people.
* Crime only happens to bad people.
* God hates amputees and other disabled people - or I'll just pretend they don't exist when I make my blanket rationalisations!

5/10/2006 5:06:38 AM

Julian

My taxes should be used to wage war on people I hate Goddamit!

Fuck the public service, infrastructure, education! War I say, war! WAR!!!

5/10/2006 5:09:00 AM

Napoleon the Clown

While I generally agree that if you fuck yourself over purely through your own stupidity you deserve no sympathy, I'm not going to fuck over the child. And most churches put more of the tithe money toward itself than charity.

One point I must raise: What if you drop out because you have a single parent that's too sick to work and the meager scraps society throws aren't enough to support your family? Do you still deserve to get fucked later in life?

5/10/2006 5:29:17 AM

NotMe

People who fuck things up willingly should reap all the consequences of their actions, but the system is there for the people who get in trouble without being at fault themselves. Unfortunatly the (willing) school drop outs and work shy get at least part of the advantages.

5/10/2006 6:04:11 AM

Aesmael

Originally posted by Ryan, summarised

nobody is entitled to anything.

5/10/2006 6:30:05 AM


5/10/2006 7:06:04 AM

Maronan

Actually, I wouldn't be upset at the \"don't kill bunnies\" part of the cartoon linked above!

(Now featuring a Free Conservatives Smiley! What's a little bandwidth among friends?)

5/10/2006 8:08:23 AM

haywood jablomy

Ryan has to be a Randroid, er, \"Objectivist.\"


5/10/2006 9:13:54 AM

JR Muse

\"The government has NO right to take my money and give it to someone else.\"

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Jesus said that the best way to tell whether a person is worth of Him is how he treats the poor. Jesus never said \"the Lord helps those who help themselves.\" Such a sentiment was antithetical to his teachings.

This guy is no Christian.

5/10/2006 12:20:44 PM

Ice

Yes, fuck all those who have lost homes due to floods, earthquakes and tornadoes. Fuck all those teens whose parents have been killed in car accidents. Fuck all those who have lost so many things/people in one day that they crack and lose their jobs.

Fuck all those children left on the sidewalks and dumpsters, not being able to take care of themselves.

Fuck all those families who don't earn enough money so their children cannot be educated and thus one day earn enough money for themselves and their families.

Not to mention, fuck that high school whore for wearing a skirt and being ignorant enough to force rape upon her, ending up pregnant, single parent, without a home (which she has disgraced by the growing belly and broken hymen) on the street, dumping high school for she needed to take care of herself and the upcoming mouth to feed. Fuck her for her low paying job isn't enough to get her diapers and baby food, not to mention decent health care.

Yes, fuck all those people injured on the streets. It was THEIR fault that they sat in those cars, walked on those sidewalks; they should have known what was coming.

Still, most of all, FUCK YOU, Ryan for you, unlike all those poor people, ARE the one who deserved it!

5/10/2006 12:21:55 PM

Nanu

I find it ironic that he has a problem giving money to the government to help people cos it's their own fault blah blah blah, while his is perfectly willingly to give it to a church to help presumably the same sort of people that his taxes would help.

Is there something I'm missing here?

Is the blame for your situation dependent on which organisation you receive help from?

5/10/2006 12:56:31 PM

mad dog

I found everything relatively agreeable (as much as I would take from a conservative) until he gets to tithing. Tithing is the biggest scam in modern church history, that has no scriptural basis, and was only introduced within the past couple of centuries. All it does is force everyone at particpating churches to think they must continually pay a sum of money to get to heaven. The pastor even makes the demand on people on social security and welfare. The churches and its pastors are basically getting rich. How else do you think that the churches have enough money to make TV commercials, give pastors fine cars and big houses, and bribe politicians with? Its pretty obvious as to where the funds for so many megachurches to get built come from.

5/10/2006 1:28:41 PM

awhell

i <3 compassionate christians.

5/10/2006 1:37:55 PM

David D.G.

I always seem to come in late on things lately; everything's been said pretty well already. Excellent comments from everyone, especially Ice.


~David D.G.

5/10/2006 1:57:28 PM

llDayo

Yes, Ryan, it's the family's fault the local production plant (that was the main source of income for an entire town) shut down leaving everyone broke except for the bigwigs who ran off with the multi million dollar checks. You know what I'm talking about. Those factories that let you buy stuff cheap! But you wouldn't care because you'll just go and buy from another manufacturer. Yes, it's all the fault of that family.

Fuck you.

5/10/2006 2:44:37 PM

kmisho

Is this guy Christian? He completely ignores the Sermon on the Mount...

Didn't Jesus say something about hypocrites?

5/10/2006 3:03:28 PM

TDR

I could not disagree more. This individual makes me sick to my stomach. The sort of pompous, silver-spoon attitude that provokes this \"poor people bring it on themselves\" philosophy is the worst evidence of the mediocrity of the human soul.

5/10/2006 4:15:31 PM

NKF

Originally posted by Nanu

I find it ironic that he has a problem giving money to the government to help people cos it's their own fault blah blah blah, while his is perfectly willingly to give it to a church to help presumably the same sort of people that his taxes would help.

Is there something I'm missing here?


It's simple Nanu, he only loves his neighbor about $1 worth every week.

5/10/2006 5:54:26 PM

Late_Cretaceous

Isn't that pretty much the exact opposite of what Jesus taught/

5/10/2006 6:36:05 PM

sadchristian

Yeppers again so much for what Jesus said in the Bible. Damn.
Make up your own versions of the Gospel day at church or what?

5/10/2006 7:04:08 PM

Nick

If your parents have you outside of marriage and can't work... not your fault. Douchebag.

5/11/2006 12:55:16 AM
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