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You are allowing a philosophical UNREASONED bias into the conversation by ASSUMING that you have a right to declare the owning of slaves, the slaughter of infants, and the butchery of innocent women and children, to be morally evil. Who told you those things were evil? Or do you just run off of your gut instincts? Who is being the unreasonable one here? Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me.

montrosse, e-team Revolution 26 Comments [5/12/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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TDR

would someone with a greater philosophical pedigree than myself care to explain lucidly exactly what the \"basis\" of morality is? Because I'm currently too outraged to argue coherently.

5/12/2006 2:25:03 AM

Hadanelith

Depends: Kantianism, or Utilitarianism? Or would some Randian like to enter this conversation? Or any other philosophical zealot? anyone at all?

OK: then lets look at the two I'm familiar with. Kantianism is based on the concept of absolute moral rules (i.e. rules without exceptions, rules that SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN). He's kinda like God in that. Utilitarianism has a different basis, that only two things matter: consequences, and happiness as a consequence. In every situation you look at the consequences and choose the one that produces the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.
Note that both of these philosophies are usable without religion, and both have a reasonable basis. But to answer your question TDR: there is no 'one absolute basis of morality'. It all depends on your point of view.

5/12/2006 2:31:13 AM

Talisman

\"Who told you those things were evil?\"

No one. I, apparently unlike yourself, can come to rational conclusions on my own without the need for ancient mythologies to guide me.

Simply asking yourself, \"Self, would I like this particular thing done to me?\" will often help you in determining if something is morally right or not. Why don't you try that the next time you're confused about things.

5/12/2006 2:37:46 AM

Alex W.

Yeah... I really don't know what to say to this so here's a picture:

5/12/2006 2:43:19 AM

Julian

If you got your head out your fucking retarded bible and read a real book once in a while you might realise one does their thinking with their head, not their heart as the bible claims, and emotions are also in your head, not your kidneys as the bible claims!

Also, you might realise that one can use their aforementioned head to come to just reasoning instead of following primitive, supersititious barbaric edicts; most of which have been waylaid, leaving the ones that those that thought with their heads decided were worth keeping! (not to mention every other society has arrived at these conclusions without the help of 'Gawd Uhlmytee')

Finally, the living organisms in your guts feed off the food you fail to digest and excrete gases as waste product. Now sad as we are to admit, flatulence is as close to thought processes as you can come, please do not try to judge the entire human race by your appallingly pitiful state of affairs!

In conclusion:
YOU SUCK!

5/12/2006 3:31:21 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Nine more signtures till the permenant addendum to Wikipedia about Christians being morally bankrupt...

5/12/2006 3:51:56 AM

CousinTed

A yes, scripture, the only thing keeping the morons from killing each other.

5/12/2006 4:09:47 AM

Hadanelith

Napolean: you serious?!? Where do I sign?

5/12/2006 4:14:44 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Christian signatures only, sorry. It has to be them admitting it themselves, however unwittingly, for it to count. :(

5/12/2006 4:50:04 AM

Papabear

What the heck is wrong with you people? I know to get your Fundie membership card you had to turn in your brains, but did they take your ethics and conscience too?

5/12/2006 4:59:02 AM

ssdexecutor

Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me.

And . . . ? What does it tell you? If it says that those things are right, then maybe you should question it.

5/12/2006 5:27:09 AM

Nekhbet

Hi, I'm going to kill your children and rape your wife, oh and I hope you enjoy your new life as a galley slave. God told me to do it so I'm sure it'll be O K with you. Cheers, Nekhbet

5/12/2006 6:14:32 AM

NotMe

I guess someone didn't read the OT.

5/12/2006 6:33:46 AM

Ionakana

\"You are allowing a philosophical UNREASONED bias...\"

The words \"pot\", \"kettle\", and \"black\" for some reason spring to mind here.

5/12/2006 8:20:01 AM

Maronan

Originally posted by Fundie Nut

You are allowing a philosophical UNREASONED bias into the conversation...


No, that's you. Maybe I should have told you I was holding a mirror up?

Originally posted by Fundie Twit

...by ASSUMING that you have a right to declare the owning of slaves, the slaughter of infants, and the butchery of innocent women and children, to be morally evil.


I don't have a right to declare something evil, and I don't assume I do. I do, however, know that those actions are wrong.

Originally posted by Fundie Lunkhead

Who told you those things were evil?


Nobody \"told\" me they were evil. If your idea of morality is doing what someone tells you to do, you're not moral at all.

Originally posted by Fundie Asshat

Or do you just run off of your gut instincts?


No. There are ways to figure out whether something is right or wrong. For people similar to you, just ask yourself: \"Would I want this done to me?\" If the answer is no, the act is immoral. For very different people, ask yourself: \"Does (s)he want the action done to him/her?\" If the answer is no, it's immoral. Obviously, the real world is complicated; actions have many effects, and some harm to others is unavoidable, but morality is much more than instinct and/or doing what someone tells you to do.

Originally posted by Fundie Idiot

Who is being the unreasonable one here?


You are. (You walked right into that one.)

Originally posted by Crazy Fundie

Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me.


Yikes. I'm blown away. I'm gonna have to translate this into English.

[Acme Translator is starting up]
Machine translations are imperfect. Single-tired-person translations may be equally flawed. Fundiebabble-to-English translator now engaged.

Translation:
Bear in mind, I don't think killing is always good, but since I have been brainwashed into believing that every act performed by a character in an ancient book of myths is always good, I think that genocide and slavery are sometimes justifiable.


And they wonder how atheists can be moral?

EDIT: The translation was subjected to a formatting malfunction again, with the \"wrote:\" at the end. Maybe translations shouldn't be in quote tags, even though I like the red box.

5/12/2006 9:20:15 AM

Coffee

Alex W., that picture is worth 10,000 words. I love it.

5/12/2006 11:31:03 AM

shell

Love the picture!

So is this our Compassionate Christian Award?

5/12/2006 2:03:34 PM

mad dog

How about we force you to work in cotton fields for free, and discipline you with tazers up your asscrack, after that, you can tell us how righteous slavery is. If that ain't enough to rattle you, we could then slaughter babies in your neighborhood, and claim God told us to do it.

5/12/2006 4:40:50 PM

dykitty

*conversationally* montrosse, are you insane?

5/12/2006 5:15:22 PM

Amos

If I may plug a book, this is exactly what Huck Finn is about. (Ok, I'm sure you've all read it, but...) Huck struggles with the conflict between the morality he grew up with and his own empathy. Spoiler: empathy wins.

Edit: I suppose that might be the real reason behind it being so often banned.

5/12/2006 6:32:25 PM

Jesus, you guys are stupid

So the owning of slaves, salughter of infants and butchery of women is not evil ? You really should try owning a brain, U really need it. Have u ever hgad a thought you can call your own ?

5/13/2006 5:12:19 PM

David D.G.

<< Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me. >>

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And here I thought these people disagreed with situational ethics. Who knew?


~David D.G.

5/14/2006 2:07:00 AM

Mysteriously Anonymous Guy

To be fair to the fundietard, he doesn't seem to actually be saying any of these things ARE good, just saying that only scripture really tells him they're evil... which, funnily enough, it doesn't.

5/18/2006 12:16:11 AM

T. McGee

So is he saying abortion is ok?

7/22/2008 6:24:10 PM

Phoenix

We know things are wrong when everyone agrees they would not like it to happen to them or their loved ones. This is how we came up with our laws.

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