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Because the Bible can not be "proven or disproven", then evolutionists have to create strawman arguements and try to falsify their own strawman. Their favorite is to make up their own YEC theory and then they try to falsify their strawmen version of the theory. I see them do this over and over on this forum like a broken record.

JohnR7, Christian Forums 25 Comments [5/14/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Alejandro
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mmaacks

Hello Kettle? This is Pot calling. You are black.


5/14/2006 10:27:56 PM

JohnRaptor

When taken literally, the bible can be and has been disproved.

5/14/2006 10:34:10 PM

Kyle

This quotation from JohnR7 works best when you know his posting history. It's like he's been competing for \"fundie of the year\" ever since he registered back in 2002.

5/14/2006 10:51:32 PM

Alejandro

I think this is for a Mirror Award rather than Pot and Kettle, because not only what he says applies perfectly to creationism, it also does not apply at all to evolution. P&K is more adecuate for Chirstian fundies talking about the faults of other religions.

5/14/2006 11:12:01 PM

Papabear

Johnny, please provide a version of YEC that can't be disproven.

5/14/2006 11:19:37 PM

Gerard

Priceless. Because the Bible can't be proven or disproven \"evolutionists\" will have to do exactly nothing. It doesn't concern them.

5/15/2006 12:10:02 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Sorry, wrong. Please remove yourself from the gene pool to prevent any further damage.

5/15/2006 12:12:53 AM

Julian

Why do you need to make up YECcie strawmen, when they have an abundance of their own, not limited to Genesis.

Who needs a bigger bonfire to flame!

5/15/2006 12:27:05 AM

Crosis

<<< Because the Bible can not be \"proven or disproven\" >>>

That's a good one. The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven. Various things in the Bible can be and have been disproven.

<<< Their favorite is to make up their own YEC theory and then they try to falsify their strawmen version of the theory. I see them do this over and over on this forum like a broken record. >>>

Mirror Award. Please.

5/15/2006 1:19:47 AM

Bob

Mirror award thirded(?).

5/15/2006 1:34:41 AM

NKF

Seriously, how can you strawman goddidit?

Why would you need to strawman goddidit?

5/15/2006 5:55:07 AM

NotMe

At least we know now that the bible isn't necessarily the ultimate truth since it can't be \"proven or disproven\".

And what is it with the quotation marks? Does he doubt the methods by which scientists try and proof things? Or does he doubt that anything can be proven?

5/15/2006 6:10:49 AM

David D.G.

I agree with Alejandro; \"Pot and Kettle\" Prize is a bit off for this one. I would suggest one of the following:

* Mirror Award
* \"Strawmen in a Mirror\" Award
* \"Straw Men In Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear\" Award


~David D.G.

5/15/2006 3:58:56 PM

MJW

What a douchebag.

5/15/2006 5:39:47 PM

mad dog

I think this strawman needs to go see a certain wizard about getting a brain

5/15/2006 8:11:31 PM

Jacob Syne

*cries*

5/15/2006 8:24:35 PM

whitewater55

This is my main problem with fundies. They get god and the bible mixed up and end up worshipping a book.

5/15/2006 11:53:16 PM

NonHomogenized

Hahahahahaha!

\"Their favorite is to make up their own YEC theory and then they try to falsify their strawmen version of the theory.\"

This is the one really objectionable part. The rest is stupid, funny, and wrong, but this part is objectionable. I have never, ever seen a YEC theory from anyone, creationist or evolutionist. I've seen a bunch of YEC WAGs (wild-assed guesses), and a lot of YEC UIAs (unsupported incorrect assertions) but not a single theory.

Oh, and I don't think any post could be more deserving of the \"mirror, mirror\" award

5/16/2006 2:06:36 AM

murdilina

Who made the broken record? God. We win yet again, it is his fault.

How does it feel to have your own logic used on you you badger-mounting homophobic cretin.


5/18/2006 5:23:08 PM

Adrian

Logic... broken...

6/27/2006 3:52:21 AM

Crosis

<<< The law of excluded middle states that God must either be able to be proven or he is either able to be disproven. >>>

Incorrect. It means that either he exists or he doesn't. It does not mean that either can be proven to be true. (In fact, any consistent system in mathematics has true statements that cannot be proven so.)

<<< If we carefully research the evidence, we can see that God can actually be proven but not disproven. >>>

Mind sharing a bit of this evidence, or is it all pulled from your ass?

<<< It is irrational to state of something that it can be proven and disproven at the same time >>>

No shit, Sherlock.

<<< which the statement can't be proven or disproven logically infers >>>

Incorrect. How does \"cannot be A and cannot be B\" imply \"can be both A and B simultaneously\"? (Hint: it doesn't. It in fact means exactly the opposite - if it cannot be A, it cannot be (A&B) either.)

<<< Refer to the self evident laws of logic 1) law of excluded middle either a or b, not both or anything in between. >>>

If by \"b\" you mean \"not a\", then yes. However, \"provable\" and \"disprovable\" are not logical complements (they are mutually exclusive but not exhaustive). \"Not provable\" and \"disprovable\" are different (the latter is a subset of the former).

<<< 2) law of noncontradiction, both a and b can not be true at the same time >>>

Also true, given the same conditions as above.

<<< When we look at the Bible, the contradictions are becoming less and less everyday >>>

Unless the Bible is itself changing, this is so obviously false it shouldn't even need a refutation.

<<< There is nothing in the Bible that fails based on the 2nd law of logic (the law governing logic). >>>

The two mutually contradictory creation stories, for starters. There are dozens more.

7/8/2006 9:11:26 PM

Julian

Anonymous - I hope for your sake you're just trolling... If you believe any of that you're too sad for words!

Crap, crap, crap, more crap, followed by a barefaced lie.

When we look at the Bible, the contradictions are becoming less and less everyday

Opening and closing derogatory comments are lovely troll remarks too, as are pretending you know eveything.

Begone fool!

7/9/2006 6:57:02 AM

Shvetz

This is a classic example of what YEC'ers are doing. They take a semi-complex concept like strawman arguments (from us), and just throw it into a sentence without understanding what it means. \"You said my argument is strawman? No, it's not, but what is yours.\" I hate to phrase it this way, but if they were going to follow logic in the first place, they'd probably disagree with YEC.

2/16/2007 6:13:42 PM

Agahnim

No, creationists make a caricature of evolution because they're too insecure about their beliefs to truly show the truth about other side. Evolution also has evidence. Creationism has assertions. Talk Origins pretty much knocked all the assertions down.

Modern biology - 1
YEC - 0

4/22/2012 12:05:34 PM

Ebon

Every version of the YEC bullshit has been conclusively disproven.

9/1/2012 11:06:49 PM
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