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Even if you look at the question of faith. Every drug test there is has a control group. It has been shown again and again that 1/3 of the people that take a placebo show improvement, they get better. This is absolute scientific proof that even having faith in a pill works. How much more will you get results when you put faith and confidence in the living God?

JohnR7, Christian Forums 27 Comments [5/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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shell

But the placebo in that scenario still isn't doing anything. It's all in your--fuck it.

5/17/2006 6:42:16 PM

TDR

you have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

5/17/2006 6:46:56 PM

Blurb

In other words, lie to yourself, you'll feel better.

5/17/2006 6:51:45 PM

Alejandro

Talk about missing the point!

Johnnie is striving pretty hard to break his own (and any other fundies' as well) records of stupidity.

5/17/2006 7:01:43 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Sorry, I enjoy valuing myself. If I rely on God my mind gives Him the credit. Then I feel like a worthless pile of shit.

5/17/2006 7:24:20 PM

David D.G.

Oh, no better, really, just about 1/3, the same as for all the other placebos. At least until the patient's enthusiasm flags, and the pain of reality sets in again.

And those placebo studies refer to the subjective feeling of symptoms, not the physical effect that takes place. The most convinced placebo-taker in the world will not be able to vaccinate himself from a disease merely by believing himself already immunized.


~David D.G.

5/17/2006 7:39:30 PM

Hadanelith

Go crawl into a very dark hole and die.

5/17/2006 7:42:58 PM

Papabear

\"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.\" -- George Bernard Shaw


Beyond that, every properly done study has shown that a) prayer has no effect on recovery from illness and b) when controlled for behaviors, believers are no healthier than non-believers.

5/17/2006 7:49:21 PM

Amos

God as placebo effect... This is actually something I can agree with.

5/17/2006 8:37:25 PM

Sungrazer

I'll take the truth over a comforting lie.

5/17/2006 8:37:47 PM

kmisho

1) Why not, by the same token, just conclude that believing in god is a placebo.

2) Why don't 100% of people show improvement if this comes from god? I might concede that there is 1/3 of a god, but not a whole one!

5/17/2006 8:46:51 PM

MJW

What a shit analogy.

5/17/2006 9:01:31 PM

Julian

Hmmm, isn't a placebo an utterly useless, sugar coated deception!

Well, OK it does sound like God now you mention it!

Shame your other statistics are bullshit - never mind, just coat them with sugar!

5/17/2006 9:06:45 PM

Dante's Virgil

Remember, J, from Mary Poppins: \"A spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down...\"

5/17/2006 9:08:59 PM

MK

Wait, wait... is this another Death by Irony Overdose? Or a Least Helpful Analogy?

He's comparing God to a placebo - meaning that like a placebo, God has no actual effect on us, we just *think* that's the case.

Wow. Just... wow.

5/17/2006 9:35:40 PM

David D.G.

You know, considering that he's arguing that it's the FAITH in God (rather than God itself) that causes the effect similar to one's faith in a placebo drug, I think that maybe JohnR7 deserves a \"By Jove, I Think He's Got It!\" Award for this one.


~David D.G.

5/17/2006 9:38:50 PM

Huffers

I voted a 1 for this, because it's actually a decent argument against religion.

Now that I just remembered this poster IS a Christian I'm thinking I should have given it a 5

5/17/2006 9:49:12 PM

NonHomogenized

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If this weren't JohnR7, I'd think this came from someone arguing against god.

5/17/2006 9:53:15 PM

Luffy

Oh god, I sprayed Arizona everywhere reading this one. I guess he forgets he's just argued against the power of God.

5/17/2006 11:52:28 PM

whitewater55

None !

5/17/2006 11:53:39 PM

JadedRevenge

So this guy was a christian? right?
Why is he arguing on our side.

5/17/2006 11:54:10 PM

JustinGG

So God is a placebo?

5/18/2006 1:03:03 AM

RDW

I suggest giving this a \"He-just-crossed-his-own-T Award.\"

5/18/2006 1:37:48 AM

Crosis

AAAAAGH! The stupid! It burns!

5/18/2006 3:40:15 AM

Shadows

Better not show the results of the study about prayer helping people get better but made it worse

5/18/2006 2:00:45 PM
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