[From a larger article about the immorality of women in sports]
Popes Pius XI and Pius XII were addressing an age-old problem, a badly governed feminine spirit that tempts men with immodest clothing and bold attitudes. Consciously or unconsciously seductive, these women at least remain feminine, and their censurable position is still a natural one. Today a new long step has been taken down the stairs of decadence: the emergence of the masculine girl.
The new model is a strange androgynous figure. "Baller girls" is what some of the modern young athletes call themselves: girls who live for basketball, baseball, soccer, football – for the game, the sport, not for the skills and virtues that will help them as future wives and mothers. They are rough, sassy girls with the muscles of men, good enough to play against the "guys," girls who have traded in their femininity in their mania for sports.
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One can only wonder about the harsh and unhappy future of girls who reject their femininity openly and blatantly. They clearly have lost the notion of the dignity of the woman in view of her most noble office as wife, mother and helpmate of man. The masculine woman does not reflect a true emancipation. It is rather the debasing of the feminine character, a rejection of the wise plan of God. It is a position against nature.
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But of course! All normal men have six packs and bulging pecs. I myself, with my active indoor lifestyle and hours of strenuous mouse use could easily crush your head between my forearm and rock-hard biceps.
Oh, hang on. Not all women are delicate and frail, and not all men are superhuman bodybuilders. Idiot.
badly governed feminine spirit = women are evil
tempts men with immodest clothing = men can't control themselves, but don't blame men whatever you do
bold attitudes = women are subhuman
If god is SUPERnatural, then god is himself against nature.
Theists can say I worship TV or football or sex or whatever, but THEY worship Nonsense.
Of course, she is really pushing the limit herself. I mean, a woman with a PhD? When did she get the idea she could advance beyond the 6th grade?
How does she feel about female beach volleyball players. It's a real sport, but, damn, they still look very feminine to me.
How come Fundies are so hot to dominate nature and they are against a naturalist view, yet they are always ofended by anything they think is against nature?
@Catbert18
How did this guy get a Ph.D.? And where?
*cough*online diploma*cough*
A rejection of the wise plan of god? The plan that includes being able to beat her just because you feel like it, her inability to own property, inability to speak in church(which, by the way, was added centuries after the bible first appeared and hopped from one section to another as they tried to find a good place for it), and all the rest?
Can't imagine why anyone would want to toss THAT plan away. Nope.
Funny how men are allowed all those many things. They can be athletic and they can do bloody nothing. They can be smart and they can be stupid. They can work all days long and they can be househusbands (?). They can have many children, and they can have none.
But women have to be wives, housewives and children bearer. And stupid.
Why, mr PhD in truthology, oh why?
They clearly have lost the notion of the dignity of the woman in view of her most noble office as wife, mother and helpmate of man.
Yeah, they're off doing horrible things like going to college and getting Ph.D.'s. Oh, right.
Right, so let me get this straight...
You don't allow women to embrace their femininity by wearing whatever the hell they want because it might provoke us weak males to lustful thoughts, which of course would be their fault if men are aroused by them, not the actual man in question.
However, you also bar women from being unfeminine and pursuing whatever interest they have in sports, or any carrer that doesn't involve them being slaves to men.
So what exactly is it that you want women to actually do?
<i>You don't allow women to embrace their femininity...
However, you also bar women from being unfeminine...
So what exactly is it that you want women to actually do?</i>
Silly MJW! Women aren't supposed to do things. Women are just supposed to be ... ideally, to be empty vessels into which men can pour their seed and onto which we can project all the parts of our personalities we'd have to kill ourselves if we admitted were part of us. </snark>
I love girls like that. I mean, the whole "muscles like men" part is a bit weird, but most of my female friends are rough, sassy, and tom-boyish. I just don't get along with the prissy 'girly-girls.'
<i>You don't allow women to embrace their femininity...
However, you also bar women from being unfeminine...
So what exactly is it that you want women to actually do?</i>
Silly MJW! Women aren't supposed to do things. Women are just supposed to be... ideally, to be empty vessels into which men can pour their seed and onto which we can project all the parts of our personalities we'd have to kill ourselves if we admitted were part of us. </snark>
Thank you for correcting my grievious error Captain Slack, how blind I was to not see the truth...
I was really hoping that "Marian" was one of those unisex names, even if the usual spelling for a male is "Marion." For a man to be spouting this nonsense is bad enough; for a woman, especially one with a PhD , to be spouting it is nothing short of monstrous. This has got to be the leading contender for the "Fundie Stockholm Syndrome" Award for this month.
~David D.G.
@Marian T. Asshat
"Baller girls" is what some of the modern young athletes call themselves: girls who live for basketball, baseball, soccer, football for the game, the sport, not for the skills and virtues that will help them as future wives and mothers.
What if they don't want to merely be wives and mothers? Does it matter what they want? If you say "no," you're in for about 10 hours of 'splanin, so be warned.
@Marian T. AsshatThey are rough, sassy girls with the muscles of men, good enough to play against the "guys..."
Well, if they want to play sports, and they can do so with equal skill to men, why shouldn't they? Are you really telling me that a single chromosome is enough reason to ban someone from sports? Under this idea, would I be allowed to play? I've got the Y chromosome you deem so important; that should nullify the fact that I can lift about 30 pounds at most, can't run worth mentioning, and have no agility or resistance to pain, right?
@Marian T. AsshatOne can only wonder about the harsh and unhappy future of girls who reject their femininity openly and blatantly. They clearly have lost the notion of the dignity of the woman in view of her most noble office as wife, mother and helpmate of man.
Why must "good wife/mother" automatically mean "stereotypical 'feminine' woman?" My mother has by no means lost the idea of the dignity of motherhood, and she also earned 2/3rds of the family income for several years. She ran an online book business through Amazon.com recently, and is now an artist. She's a "helpmate of [a] man," in a sense, but is far more than that; plus my father is a "helpmate of a woman" to match. Maybe I should remind you; marriage is not a slave contract anymore.
Sorry, but highly stylised women are against nature. A woman must be strong to bear children, which is extremely painful, by the way. Anyway, concerning the guys, let´s put it this way, as Christ say cut your hands and eyes. Let´s put it in its context. What he meant is that, if they are really godly men, they would just ignore them. I mean, they don´t sin and problem solved. If they say that "they made them sinned" THEY SHOULD MEDITATE OVER WHY THEY PUT THE BLAME ON THEM.IT´S ONLY THEIR PROBLEM. It´s something they are feeling, nobody is coercing them with a gun. Nothing that comes from outside makes you impure, but that which comes from inside.
We're addressing an age-old problem, a badly governed male chauvinist spirit that attacks women with archaic clothing requirements and patronizing attitudes. Consciously or unconsciously condescending, these men at least have a slight hope of redemption, and their censurable position is still considered by most to be an unnatural one. Today a new long step has been taken down the stairs of decadence: the emergence of the modern misogynistic fundie.
The new model is a strange animalistic figure. "Manly men" is what some of the modern versions of Neanderthals call themselves: males who live for ignorance, intolerance, stupidity, selfishness for the power, the control, not for the skills and virtues that will help them to be good husbands, friends, and fathers. They are rough, abusive bigots with the faces of men, good enough to proclaim the "truths" of the Bible, beasts who have traded in their sense of decency in their mania for self-superiority.
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One can only wonder about the harsh and unhappy future of fundies who reject their humanity openly and blatantly. They clearly have lost the notion of the dignity of the man in view of his most noble office as the good neighbor of men and women. The misogynistic fundie does not reflect a true emancipation. It is rather the debasing of the masculine character, a rejection of common sense. It is a position against nature.
So, the fact that I enjoy runnig, surfing and playing rugby makes me threatening to men?
Excellent!
And what's you Ph.D in, Whining about women?
Speaking as a het male, I am both excited and fascinated by the potentials expressed by emancipated women. [Some are "better", some "worse", but hey, that's life...]
Housewives? Boring.
as a gay man I have no strong feelings on this from the point of view of attractiveness. However as a libertarian i have to support the right of women to do what they want.
and certainly not be ruled by old celibate men who are guided by ancient misogynist texts
It is ... a rejection of the wise plan of God.
And you have no idea how excited that makes me. Break out the vodka, boys and girls, we have a reason to celebrate.
The masculine woman does not reflect a true emancipation. It is rather the debasing of the feminine character, a rejection of the wise plan of God. It is a position against nature.
If the laws of nature applied at all, baller girls "with the muscles of men" would have a much better chance of survival than certain "feminine" bimbos, also, I highly doubt there is anything in nature that behaves in a way you would consider appropriate for females, i. e. proper and modest.
It would shock Ms Horvat to the core if she ever found out that some of us females are both "feminine" girly-girls AND badasses.
I can bake a cake and take care of a baby like a motherfucker, but I also can (and have) play good defense on a soccer team or kick ass with my escrima training.
Why is it so hard for this poor "woman" to understand that both males and females can be whatever they want? It harms no one!
...Actually, it kind of sounds like Marian is feeling threatened because decent modern men don't want women as doormats, they want partners. She happens to be the doormat variety and can't think of herself as important unless she's important to a male. How sad :(
So much for the notion of tolerance from the anti religous folks. I came across this site searching for information on a related subject. It seems that hurlng names seems to be a convenient ploy...if you are in the 1st grade. Dr Horvat Im sure wasn't writing to persuade you folks but had a different audience in my mind. I know for people like yourselves the notion that there is a difference between men and women is totally unspeakable. For the rest us who live in the real world it means something. Simply using curse words like some do in here is more revealing of the name callers then anything else. I mean seriously, is that how you people try win arguments?
That's right, girls. You should all be doing circus burlesque training, like me.
(Mind you, one of the instructors, Pocket? She's like some sort of She-hulk.)
So being feminine is bad...not being feminine is bad...
By Jove, I think the real sin he's getting at here is the audacity of being female.
My sister was the star athlete in high school, to the point that 30 years later some of her school records still stand. Today she's happily married, and one of the best parents I know. In fact, most of the female athletes I know are succeeding and very happy with their adult lives.
It's been proven that girls who play sports are more likely to succeed as adults, and less likely to let a man abuse and walk all over her.
Which is, of course, why fundies hate the idea.
Not long ago most of the people were farmers. There was no place for delicate femininity then, it was all hands on deck. Everybody worked as hard as they could, including children and old folks. And women, of course.
Milking cows, carrying the milk, knead large doughs for bread, carrying children (both in the womb and in the arms), plucking hens, shearing sheep, prepare hides, harvest the crop. All these things require strength and stamina, not femininity.
Quite a few things on a farm can't be done if you are squeamish, like killing hens, helping sheep and cows to deliver their young, making black pudding, and cleaning out the intestines of slaughtered animals so you can fill them with minced meat.
It takes a strong and stable mind in an equally strong body to make it on a farm. Long nails and pretty dresses are both out.
JR: Sounds like you don't know much about the "real" world. We tolerate your nonsense in that we don't feel you should be silenced, but we don't have to respect it... or you. I realize you find it threatening that other people have different opinions than you do and (horrors!) may not be that polite about them. Welcome to the Internet. Too bad you could make it. Now drop the morally superior act; it doesn't impress me.
As for the OP: Fundie Stockholm Syndrome indeed. What's noble about being a man's slave?
Please tell me that this PhD wrote this in the thirties. Please!
Mothers need to know a bit of sport too, stupid! How else will they be able to play with their kids?
Why whould the future be harsh and unhappy for strong and self-assured women? They know how to take care of themselves, and that their worth does not rely on being pleasing to a man.
What about a badly governed masculine spirit that tempts women with immodest clothing?
Playing sports does not necessarily "defeminize" a woman, you silly goose. Even sports that require considerable brute strength - I know of many female jockeys that are a) as feminine and sexy as any woman alive and b) happily involved in what would be considered a normal family relationship, despite having the strength to control 500 kgs of horse at full gallop and sometimes even over obstacles.
I'm sure the same goes for female athletes from other sports. Only in Saudi Arabia is a woman still considered to be someone who should stay home and make a) babies and b) dinner, 24/7.
"tempts men with immodest clothing and bold attitudes."
If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out!
Weak men, who can't handle seeing a woman, should accept their own responsibility.
Why ah do declare! It appears that there are some, I hesitate to use the term, "ladies", who enjoy sport and outdoor pursuits, instead of needlepoint and fawning over the squire's son. Ah do believe that these new fangled ideas will give one an attack of the vapours. How one kicks a ball while wearing a bustle, I will never know.
Ah must ask that nice Mr D'arcy to explain the offside rule to me.
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