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While I worked and studied, my dream of being the Cherished Woman -- like Aunt Pollie -- grew stronger in me. But all the hard work I had had to do since I was a child, and the living I had had to earn since I was fifiteen, and all the exhortations I had had to listen to at "home," gave me too much independence of manner, too much self-assurance, too much of an appearance of confidence. This definitely put off men who wanted a Queen for their houses, a soft and yielding gentle sweet creature like Aunt Pollie, a charming hostess pliant soothing and full of musical laughter and kind wit. For such a woman, men were ready to work their poor hearts out, considering themselves blessed. But a girl like myself, who knew hard labor, and knew how to earn a buck, and had a sharp and independent voice and manner, was not atttractive to them. They did not want a "partner," and a fellow wage earner. They did not believe that "a woman can do anything a man can do." They were right, of course.

Taylor Caldwell, Ladies Against Feminism 35 Comments [5/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Alex W.

Um, no. Most men want woman that have the skills to support themselves. You apparently went after some pretty crappy guys.

5/30/2006 2:45:48 AM

Jodie

I find it frightening that people like this exist.

5/30/2006 2:57:24 AM

awhell

I agree with Julian, as I think most sane people will.


5/30/2006 3:05:39 AM

Luffy

Earth, Day 16: Encountered another female of the human species. All of the female humans who identify themselves with the group \"Anti-Feminist\" strongly exhibit what I've come to call \"Phyllis Schlafly Disorder\"; that is, the absolute belief that whatever lifestyle suits them must be forced upon all other females of their species. Beginning to wonder if Zardog's suggestion to \"blow the whole damn place up\" is not reasonable.

5/30/2006 3:25:22 AM

JustinM

To be fair, she doesn't exist anymore, as Ms. Caldwell is long dead. =)

5/30/2006 3:32:49 AM

Papabear

What era does this come from? Sounds like the 19th century.

5/30/2006 4:20:11 AM

mad dog

Then she blew out the 110 candles on her birthday cake.

5/30/2006 5:06:28 AM

Amos

That's just depressing.

5/30/2006 5:09:35 AM

Spiffy

She probably wore pants during this blasphemous phase when she left the kitchen.

5/30/2006 5:21:33 AM

Napoleon the Clown

That is seriously a fucked up world view...

5/30/2006 6:51:42 AM

bjbj1991

\"They did not want a \"partner,\" and a fellow wage earner. They did not believe that \"a woman can do anything a man can do.\" They were right, of course.\"

Is that suppost to make every girl feel like they are dirt and only want to live life as a house wife?

5/30/2006 7:37:06 AM

Prager

A sad and pathetic story about brainwashing. Figurative and literal. \"Now, remember girls, never compete with boys because if you win, you will never find a husband and you will die alone, a spinster.\"

5/30/2006 7:51:22 AM

Julian

Bullcrap - you just need to be devastatingly beautiful and have a suitor called Hippomenes who prayed to Aphrodite for three golden apples!

(Damn fundies, always backing the wrong horse!)

5/30/2006 7:57:53 AM

Storme

The author of this article was born in 1907, but even so, views like this are disturbing.

5/30/2006 9:36:35 AM

Beckling

Man, and my boyfriend finds it attractive that I'm stubborn as a mule and I refuse to back down and sacrifice my principles for anything.

Ladies Against Feminism...I bet the rest of that website will make me sick.

5/30/2006 10:35:34 AM

Swintah

The whole website is just like this tripe.

5/30/2006 10:55:15 AM

MD20/20

Sounds to me like she would have been a decent catch, before someone hit her upside the head with a bible.

5/30/2006 11:04:23 AM

Dante's Virgil

Who the hell is Aunt Pollie??
This definitely put off men who wanted a Queen for their houses, a soft and yielding gentle sweet creature like Aunt Pollie, a charming hostess pliant soothing and full of musical laughter and kind wit.

And praise your God for that!! The whole thing is just...disgusting. If this woman came around my neices, she'd get a great big piece of who's-yer-mama from me.

5/30/2006 11:53:45 AM

fatpie42

Just so people know, this is written at the bottom of the website page and answers many of your questions:

\"Taylor Caldwell was born in England and emigrated with her parents when she was a child in 1907. She was an outspoken conservative and wrote for many publications until her death in 1985. The preceding article was reprinted from the 1970 issue of American Opinion. While we at L.A.F. do not feel that a woman is to be merely an \"ornament,\" we do agree that the \"Liberation Ladies\" have handed women to men on a silver platter and made them worse than ornaments -- they have made them slaves to man's whims and slaves to the market. [Note: This was the article that inspired the creation of the LAF website!]\"

Certainly the kind of screaming bimbos on Big Brother who are supposedly 'liberated' because they wear very little clothing ARE a result of feminist liberation, but there are plenty of other results of feminism which are a damn site more productive.

One thing is for certain, this woman was wrong to think that she couldn't do so much as a man can. It is very sad that she thought the way she did, but do remember that men DID have a lesser view of women back then, that women did not have the power to vote, and most importantly (for the attention of the proponents of the offending website) only rich, upper class women could afford not to work.

5/30/2006 12:29:16 PM

Jacob Syne

You know, if I were a heavily immoral man, I could agree, but that a woman could display all this false consciousness?...

5/30/2006 3:46:32 PM

Maronan

LAF, just because you want to spend your lives as servants to men doesn't mean everyone does. Please do not impose your opinions on others.

Anyway, what are you opposed to?

But all the hard work I had had to do since I was a child, and the living I had had to earn since I was fifiteen...


Earning a living at fifteen?! Yikes. (Also, why can't you write \"fifteen?\" Is it too masculine? You need to make it \"fifiteen?\") And what were you doing? (from the link)

So, I was pulled out of school and sent job-hunting, and I found heavy laboring work in a factory, six days a week, twelve hours a day. \"Why shouldn't a woman do the same work a man does?\" the Liberation Ladies of today ask. Girls, I wish to God you had had a Mama like mine! You'd be silent these days, instead of noisy and stupid. I stood on my feet for those twelve hours a day, at a machine, bending and stooping and hauling, in danger from wheels and lathes and whatever. I worked like a man all right.


Please update your calendar. This is the year 2006. Although Bush is trying to bring them back, there are no jobs today which require 12-hour shifts in dangerous conditions. Do you really think that this is what \"work\" means? Most women today want to do something and be someone; life isn't merely about surviving. Who wants to waste their talents and sit in idle dependency just because of a single chromosome?

Why are you so opposed to women's liberation anyway?

[Working] gave me too much independence of manner, too much self-assurance, too much of an appearance of confidence. This definitely put off men who wanted a Queen for their houses, a soft and yielding gentle sweet creature like Aunt Pollie, a charming hostess pliant soothing and full of musical laughter and kind wit. For such a woman, men were ready to work their poor hearts out, considering themselves blessed.


Such sentiments may apply to the author's youth, but not today. Most men want an independent woman, not a \"soft and yielding\" ghost. Or, more importantly, would you want to be a ghost? Do you want to remain ignorant and dependent, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen? Don't you think that your life has some meaning, beyond what some man wants to do with (or to) you? Even if you don't, you should know that most women do. Don't force them to be slaves just because you want to be one.

They [men] did not want a \"partner,\" and a fellow wage earner. They did not believe that \"a woman can do anything a man can do.\" They were right, of course.


Speaking as a man, I can assure you that I do want my wife to be a partner. If I wanted a woman who would stay quiet and submit to my demands, I'd hire a whore. Like most men, I want to marry someone who thinks, not a zombie who only wants to serve.

Furthermore, you claim that women are inferior or less able than men due to a single chromosome. If you were a man, this would be bigotry. Since you're a woman, it's a sign of clinical depression, I think.

5/30/2006 6:41:34 PM

David D.G.

Well, fatpie42, that mitigates some of the article's content, but not all of it by a long shot. Even by 1970, when the article was published, most of what Taylor Caldwell refers to was already ancient history, and the rest is a very willfully obtuse misinterpretation of what \"feminism\" was/is all about. And the site creator is exhibiting an even greater disconnect with reality by basing his/her agenda on a 36-year-old article setting forth ideals that were largely outdated (or even downright fictionally nostalgic) even when the ink was not yet dry on its first printing!


~David D.G.

5/30/2006 6:52:09 PM

Matt T.

David D.G.,
There's many a modern female writer that echoes the late Ms. Caldwell's sentiments. Stuff's astounding to read; they are, to a one, quite amazed that not only do not all women think like they think they do (be they \"feminazis\" or \"real women\"), they get all a-flutter when actual women point out the flaws in their thought.

All I can think when I read such nonsense, be it old school nonsense or new, modern, hip nonsense is \"Man, I'm glad I don't fool around with women like that. Give me a woman with a spine and a mind of her own.\"

5/30/2006 9:50:25 PM

whitewater55

I might be showing my age, but wasn't \"Aunt Pollie\" a porn queen from the 1980's? Sorry, just couldn't get past the Aunt Pollie part...

5/30/2006 10:42:04 PM

never been there

Haven't found the Landover Baptist link yet, but still looking...

5/31/2006 12:28:30 AM
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