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i didnt read the article cause i dont have time. i have to leave in a bit but i saw the subject and i just want to point out a couple things.

1. scientists are even saying that there was most likely like 99% a worldwide flood.

2. wood (the same kind Noah used) has been found at the top of mount Arat(where the Bible says the ark landed). The bible said that the ark was above every mountain so thats how it got to the top in case your wondering.

3. explain the grand canyon

4. there have been fossils of fishes on the top of mountains. explain how they got there other than this.

5. there are many ancient documents on stone tabs that are almost exactly like the flood story. many point out that only one mans family survived.

punkrocker71, POD Warrior Forum 18 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Gadren

1: Not most scientists...maybe the ultra-creationist ones you listen to...

2: There's wood everywhere.

3: Millions of years of erosion.

4: Tectonic shift. Fossils can't be made in a few days.

5: The Flood is a common story in myths; how are we to know if the other myths were derived from a true Flood story or if the Biblical Flood was a natural extension of existing myth?

11/9/2005 7:01:19 PM

llDayo

I guess he didn't have time to read the article because that would require learning something (assuming the article was refuting the Flood, of which I can't open the link to the forum).

11/9/2005 7:21:21 PM

Darth Wang

1. Name one.

2. False. No one even knows what 'Gopher wood' is.

3. Colorado River.

4. Plate tectonics.

5. False, the flood myths are very different.

11/9/2005 9:00:26 PM

Adrian

1. No real scientist as ever said that.

2. It couldn't possibly be that someone had built a house up on that hill, or that thousands of years ago geologists agree that that area was more fertile then it is today.

3. Formed by erosion caused by the Colarado river over the course of several millions of years.

4. Plate tectonics have forced that part of the crust above sea level. Trust me, if there was a flood those fossils would be in much worse condition.

5. And they are all from the same reigon, pointing to a massive reigonal flooding thousands of years ago that got larger and larger as people passed the story down. The only other Flood myth that isn't from Mesotoptamia is from Mexico and it's vastly different then the Noah's flood.

12/31/2006 11:22:03 PM

szenah

1. No they aren't. Whoever told you that is an idiot.

2. The Bible says \"the mountains of Ararat.\" No one knows which mountain it was supposed to be.

3. Erosion.

4. Collision of continental shelves.

5. And only a couple of them claim that Noah and his family survived. The rest claim something completely different, sometimes that it was gods that repopulated the earth. All that proves is that ancient people were terrified of floods.

12/31/2006 11:28:47 PM

cyborgtroy

I don't need to prove anything to believe you are wrong.

YOU explain how the grand canyon formed when there was water everywhere, as the grand canyon clearly formed only from a river.

12/18/2007 2:46:25 PM

Philbert McAdamia

I haven't ever read the Babble, either - not because I don't have time. But I have my opinions about it.
Nanner nanner nanner so there.

12/18/2007 3:58:24 PM

Caustic Gnostic

1. No they aren't. More likely 0.1%

2. Wood is everywhere.

3. Millions of years of riverine erosion.

4. Plate tectonics. The Himalayas used to be a seabed.

5. It's a popular myth in ancient history. The Black Sea used to be a freshwater lake before it was flooded from the Mediterranean, across the Bosporus Shelf.

12/18/2007 4:45:12 PM

Jon

Plate techtonics and changes in geology, anyone?
What "many ancient documents" are you talking about? The Epic of Gilgamesh?

12/18/2007 6:00:39 PM

Timon

2. Gopherwood!?!?!?!?!??!?!

3. Yes, explain the grand canyon

5. 1.5 billion Muslims would disagree with you.

3/24/2009 5:05:58 PM

Apatheist

No fucking way this guy is a punk rocker. We don't submit to authority at all.

7/5/2011 7:39:53 PM

Crimson Lizard

Didn't bother to read the article, yet thinks he can criticize it.
Stupid and arrogant is no way to go through life, son.

1/10/2013 9:59:37 AM

Dr.Shrinker

1. It doesn't matter what scientists say. What matters is what the evidence says. The global flood has no evidence to support it.

2. Actually, the bible is vague on what kind of wood the ark was made of. Furthermore, the bible says that the ark came to rest not on "Mount Ararat" but rather "on the mountains of Ararat," Ararat being an ancient name for the lands we now call Armenia.

3. The Colorado River and a whole lot of time (more then 6,000 years)

4. Plate tectonics forcing land up into mountains (man, this is easy)

5. Yes, but the details of those accounts vary widely. Even if a legend is widespread, that does not make it true.


Maybe you should have read the article


1/10/2013 10:04:45 AM

Sasha

1. Scientists have agreed that there have been floods at different times all around the world, not one great worldwide flood.
2. How many arks have we found so far?
3. Explain your ignorance of river erosion.
4. Explain your ignorance of plate tectonics.
5. People have tended to settle near sources of water, which occasionally flood. People then make up stories about floods.

Next time, read the article.

1/10/2013 12:13:37 PM

xyz

> scientists are even saying that there was most likely like 99% a worldwide flood.
No. The likelihood of a worldwide flood is exactly 0% when you consider the fact that there isn't enough water to cover the entire earth.

> wood (the same kind Noah used) has been found at the top of mount Arat [sic] (where the Bible says the ark landed). The bible said that the ark was above every mountain so thats [sic] how it got to the top in case your wondering.
The Bible says the MOUNTAINS of Ararat. It's a completely different area.
Also, no proof of the Ark's existence has ever been given.

> explain the grand canyon
Erosion.

> there have been fossils of fishes on the top of mountains. explain how they got there other than this.
Volcanoes, geological faults, eagles, tornadoes, etc.

> there are many ancient documents on stone tabs that are almost exactly like the flood story. many point out that only one mans family survived.
Another thing that you'll notice about these myths is that the people who wrote about them all lived in places prone to flooding.
Also, you seem to have conveniently forgot about all the folks who don't have any flood myths.

1/10/2013 2:14:20 PM

Justanotheratheist

1. No, the percentage of real scientists who think this is closer to 0%. People like Hovind do not count as scientists.

2. Wood can be found in most places. It's not exactly scarce.

3. Erosion, over millions of years. A flood would in fact create a completely different geological phenomenon.

4. Plate tectonics. Many of today's mountains used to be under the sea, millions of years ago.

5. Many cultures have flood stories. That proves nothing, especially as the stories differ in many ways.

1/11/2013 7:07:45 AM



1. no
2. no
3. its a canyon with a river in it . Read a geology book on sedimentation, eosion and uplift.
4. clams had amazing talents and climbed to the top of everest where they perished from a lack of food and air. Either that or uplift of a sea bed to mountain.
5. Yes, many predate the biblical account.

1/11/2013 10:56:23 AM

Canadiest

"i didnt read the article cause i dont have time."
K, Why bother then?
"i have to leave in a bit but i saw the subject and i just want to point out a couple things."
A couple is two.

"1. scientists are even saying that there was most likely like 99% a worldwide flood."

Scientists have never accepted a worldwide flood. Modern science has strict evidence perimeters that wouldn't allow anyone involved such a disproven claim.

"2. wood (the same kind Noah used) has been found at the top of mount Arat(where the Bible says the ark landed). The bible said that the ark was above every mountain so thats how it got to the top in case your wondering."

I've looked into the claim, it's a rock formation and no wood has been provided from this site. This is Wyatt bullshit. Wyatt was never an acheologist or scientist in anyway.

"3. explain the grand canyon"

Google it, avoid Christian sites, you'll end up with Wyatt or Hovind lies.

"4. there have been fossils of fishes on the top of mountains. explain how they got there other than this."

Continental drift and upheaval, these aren't 4400 year old fossils by the way, no horses or men, just ancient sea creatures.

"5. there are many ancient documents on stone tabs that are almost exactly like the flood story. many point out that only one mans family survived."

One of those is so much "almost exactly" that it's the source of your later Noahs flood story.

1/12/2013 11:11:07 AM
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