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If evolutuion is true- and the earth has been around for billions of years and humans have evolved from very primitve beings, why are there still babies born with abnormailities. Beings evolve to adapt and become more advanced than their ancestors. So, evoluiotn has had billions of years to get this right- yet still there are deformalities, people with genetic diseases. Just wondering how people would respond to what I feel is a strike towards evolution. (BTW- I am a teacher - I have had to teach evolution as a theory- which is in fact what is it). Also, if we evolved from ape like beings- why are they still here?

heatherwayno, Christian Forums 63 Comments [7/1/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Hadanelith

The abnormalities argument stems from the basic mechanism of evolution: mutation. Some mutations are good, which can lead to useful evolution. Most mutations are bad, leading to defects that range from unpleasant to fatal. Those with the defects generally do not pass them on, and so evolution plods on its merry way.

7/1/2006 12:55:16 PM

themann1086

Please hand in your teaching certificate. Do not pass Go. Do not collect a pension.

7/1/2006 1:04:39 PM

Nezu Chiza

If creationism is true- and the earth has been around for thousands of years and humans were made in their current form, why are there still babies born with abnormalities. Humans now are the same as their ancestors. So, god has had thousands of years to get this right- yet still there are deformities, people with genetic diseases. Just wondering how people would respond to what I feel is a strike towards creationism. (BTW - I am not a teacher - I'm not an idiot though, and can spell and think for myself- which is in fact what I do.) Also, since we didn't evolve from ape like beings, but were created fully formed, why aren't we perfect right from the start?

7/1/2006 1:34:09 PM

NotMe

Teachers being this stupid and teachers not understanding their teaching subjects should hand in their certificates rigth away. And how can he be a science teacher without knowing the \"scientific\" use of the word theory? I'm sure that was somewhere in the curriculum.

And evolution has a far better way of explaining those abnormalities than creationism can.

7/1/2006 1:56:32 PM

Wolight

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=200

Wow, the fundies are stealing ideas from webcomics now

7/1/2006 2:09:52 PM

Papabear

Way No, Heather.

If the perfect God, omniscient, omnipotent and omni-benevolent, created man in his image, why is not every man perfect? Can't God get it right?


Beneicial mutations are the fuel of evolution, but most mutations are not beneficial. These non-beneficial mutations are removed from the gene pool by natural selection. Over time, each beneficial mutation retained in the gene pool is a step in evolution.

It is an embarrassment to our society that one so ignorant is (or claims to be) a teacher.

7/1/2006 3:01:08 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister Bernice

themann1086: \"Please hand in your teaching certificate. Do not pass Go. Do not collect a pension.\"

What teaching certificate? Neither a certificate nor any formal training in education is required to \"teach\" at a christian school. They like to keep their kids as stupid as their parents.

7/1/2006 3:21:19 PM

Vyoma

What does this alleged individual teach? She obviously has no understanding of science, so Heather isn't a science teacher. She didn't manage to get a single sentence correct (what the hell are \"deformalities,\" anyhow?), so I assume she doesn't teach English. I actually do tutor English for a program at my university, and there's no way I would have ever let this go out the door... it's as bad as any kid I know in danger of flunking their first composition class.

Maybe Heather is teaching a homeschool class on how to be functionally illiterate?

7/1/2006 3:35:57 PM

Donald Keyballs

[If creationism is true- and the earth has been around for thousands of years and humans were made in their current form, why are there still babies born with abnormalities.]

You forget the expaination that they love to use. \"God works in mystrerious ways\".

7/1/2006 3:39:48 PM

Gerard

Where do they find these teachers I wonder.

7/1/2006 4:27:58 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

My understanding of the subject is not that great, my having chosen to follow a path in life unconnected to biology, but wouldn't evolution be impossible without the possiblity of abnormalities? That said, I heard once (could be dead wrong) that a number of forms of birth defects are not directly related to genetics - it was a while ago, I forget the details. Can someone enlighten me please? Either way, it refutes this post.

7/1/2006 5:11:11 PM

Nekhbet

Yes heatherwayno, just exactly why are you still here?

7/1/2006 5:44:45 PM

Ice

Oh. My. God.

And I'm practically pissing blood over here to get my teacher's certificate.

USA, here I come!

7/1/2006 5:59:33 PM

TDR

\"deformalities\"

yep, I concur. That woman has no right to teach anyone.

7/1/2006 6:27:13 PM

Evergreen

Also, if we evolved from ape like beings- why are they still here?

Can't they find some *new* crap to spout? That is so old...

7/1/2006 6:35:05 PM

Berny

It would appear heatherwayno has the same qualifications to teach that Kent Hovind possesses, that is, none.
If I had teachers that inept at my children's school, I would labour night and day to get them fired, or at the very least reassigned to a post where they could do no harm, like cleaning the toilets.

7/1/2006 7:06:58 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Get back to remedial biology. Evolution occurs through mutation. Not all mutation is good.

I am now of the opinion most fundies ate lead paint chips. Some still may.

7/1/2006 7:43:03 PM

Jon

Also, if we evolved from ape like beings- why are they still here?\"

Apparently it's because creatures only evolve when conditions are appropriate or necessitate that they do. Can't back that up with any evidence, but it's what I've heard anyway.

7/1/2006 7:50:12 PM

Papabear

\"Also, if we evolved from ape like beings- why are they still here?\"


Creationtwits seem determined to not understand - No creature's evolution has been linear. The family tree of life on earth branches over and over and over.

7/1/2006 8:37:40 PM

Crosis

<<< why are there still babies born with abnormailities. >>>

Because those \"abnormalities\" are the basis from which natural selection works. The majority of them aren't particularly useful (in fact, a lot are harmful). But once in a while, you find one that provides an advantage.

<<< So, evoluiotn has had billions of years to get this right >>>

You assume that what's \"right\" is constant. The environment changes, and what works best in the environment we have changes as a result.

<<< Also, if we evolved from ape like beings- why are they still here? >>>

If you are older than 10, have taken a biology class, and can still ask this question with a straight face, you are too stupid to be educable.

7/1/2006 9:13:55 PM

Clemsecon

She does not even know the use of a comma as punctuation. What is with her using hyphens instead throughout the entire thread? Every child is left behind.

7/1/2006 10:00:04 PM

Sandman

Ok, this putz is making me embarassed to be a teacher. We need to find where this person is teaching and rescue those young minds from someone who is teaching them material they know jack about...

We did NOT evolve from \"ape-like beings.\" \"Ape-like beings\" (by which I assume they mean apes, because when you get right down to it, humans are ape-like beings, too) and humans evolved from a common ancestor.

Sheesh. People who don't know science shouldn't teach it.

7/1/2006 10:16:57 PM

Sandman

Jezebel, you are wrong when you say that there are no \"certificate(s) nor any formal training in education...required to \"teach\" at a christian school.\"

To be accredited by the state, a Christian School must provide documented proof that the instructors possess the appropriate degrees and qualifications. Although it is true that some states allow a \"non-tax\" certificate (NT Cert) for teachers that does not require them to take the state accreditation test, to get the NT Cert, an applicant must have a degree in the appropriate discipline from an accredited university, and must make the same effort to keep their degree current as any other teacher in the state.

But....to be honest....there are an increasingly alarming number of Christian schools that are ducking this by simply not beoming accredited, and slipping their graduates through under a loophole in the homeschooling laws. It's kind of sad.

7/1/2006 10:23:36 PM

Nezu Chiza

For those who are interested. heatherwayno is an \"insturctional assistant working with pre-K, Kindergarden and special ed.\", which means she is NOT a teacher, and doesn't even need to have teaching credentials. But that's pretty obvious from her post, I think :P

7/1/2006 11:01:38 PM

Papabear

Nezu Chiza -- Well, I guess Heather is just fibbing a bit when she says she's a teacher and has been teaching \"evolution as a theory.\"


It's odd that Findies are so offended by being related to apes and yet so proud to believe that man was made from dirt.

7/2/2006 12:01:38 AM
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