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[How exactly does gay marriage harm heterosexual rights]

I do think though that before I go I need to make one thing clear: defining marriage as being between a man and a woman only does not force gays to not be gay as I have heard many liberals say. It merely states that we are not obligated to recognise it. To be honest, the only forceful thing is that those who oppose it are being trying to be forced by law to recognise it. That's what would happen wouldn't it. We would have no legal choice correct. Isn't that a volation of my rights. Well, I digress.

narudown, Naruto Forums 31 Comments [7/1/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Winston Jen
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Hadanelith

Call out the Acme Translator, my parser broke.

7/2/2006 1:45:34 AM

Tara Mobley

Hmmm, let me take a stab at it.

\"It violates heterosexual rights because it makes it impossible for me to pretend homosexuals don't exist.\"

7/2/2006 2:11:26 AM

Zadic

So basically it's \"us\" against \"them\" and since \"you\" are the majority/the ones in power \"you\" get to decide to or not to reconize Human beings as fellow citizens who therefore should have the same rights as everyone else? Interesting...So, if \"they\" became the majority/the ones in power you wouldn't mind them not reconizing your right to be married to someone of the opposite sex? After all it's a violation of one's rights to legally allow someone else to have equal rights, right?

7/2/2006 2:16:29 AM

Wolight

What is it about Naruto that attracts fundies?

7/2/2006 2:37:17 AM

Dante's Virgil

To be honest, the only forceful thing is that those who oppose it are being trying to be forced by law to recognise it. That's what would happen wouldn't it. We would have no legal choice correct.


How do you force somebody to recognize someone else's marriage? Do you serve papers on them if they don't bring a wedding gift? It isn't about gays forcing \"you\" to do anything. It's about \"you\" forcing gays to live as second class citizens.

7/2/2006 3:04:07 AM

Amos

Ok. It looks like he makes two assanine, illucid, and horribly obfuscated points.

(1) Some liberals think that going with the fundy definition of marriage will de-gay the gay. I agree with the fundy that the idea is silly. But why the fuck did he fucking make it up?!

(2) The only ones being fascist dicks are the liberals, in forcing their damn tolerance on everyone again.

After all, the fundy right to deny rights to others is a paramount right, supplanting even those rights enumerated in the constitution!

7/2/2006 3:08:32 AM

CousinYed

If I of the cellar for lu pronounce question which required lining, he you are have let work.

7/2/2006 3:13:17 AM

Amigone201

No you illiterate fuckwad, you would not be \"forced to recognize\" anything. You can stick your fingers in your ears and scream \"La la la, no gays are married! I can't hear you!\" all you want. You don't have to go to weddings, send cards, or invite gay couples to your house. They probably don't want to go to your house anyway.

All you have to do is shut up and let them live their lives, while you live yours--in blissful, bigoted ignorance, if that's what you really want--and the world will keep turning.

7/2/2006 3:33:54 AM

Adrian

Living a normal life without being harassed by fundies is their right. Molesting the English grammar like you do, OTOH, should be illegal...

7/2/2006 3:40:37 AM

Papabear

By that \"logic\" heterosexuals forcing everyone to recognize heterosexuality.

7/2/2006 4:00:49 AM

Crosis

AAAAAAAAAAAAGH! The stupid! It burns!

No, churches would *NOT* be forced to recognize same-sex marriage. Gays would probably wind up having to get a civil ceremony (or perhaps go to the Episcopalians), but the point is that the law would recognize them and confer the *LEGAL* benefits of marriage on them.

7/2/2006 5:25:05 AM

Winston Jen

No legal choice to do what? To grant equal rights to gays? Equal rights to visit adopted children in hospital and share insurance and tax benefits that straight couples take for granted? What a wanker.

\"Fred Phelps Wannabe\" award, maybe?

7/2/2006 6:33:24 AM

Julian

Yeah, if you locked up all the bigots, who would guard the prisons.

7/2/2006 10:49:28 AM

Nekhbet

As soon as the bill is passed your Pit Bull will be traded in for a pair of miniature poodles namedLord Byron and Lady Jane Seymour. Your manly flannel shirts will all become pink or lavender ruffled tuxedo shirts. You'll develop a lisp. Your wife will start dressing in leather and roll a pack of cigarettes in the sleeve of her tee shirt. She'll run off with the checker from the local supermarket, and you'll have this passionate desire to become a hairdresser and date the mailman. DUMBFUCK

7/2/2006 1:57:11 PM

Berny

Gays have had the right to marry in Canada for nearly a year now. My wife and I just celebrated our 19th anniversary last week.
I related these two seemingly separate events because fundies are fond of saying that allowing gays the right to marry will somehow denigrate their own heterosexual marriage.
My wife and I don't feel any less married now than we did 19 years ago.
Americans are fairly unique in the Western world for their reticence in recognizing equal rights for gays. As far as I can tell, most if not all of the arguments against equal rights are of a religious nature.
Your founding fathers drafted your Constitution the way they did to exclude religion from the debate in the first place.
Religion has no place in any intelligent discussion about equal rights, particularly since fundies actually cherish inequality within their own heterosexual relationships.

7/2/2006 4:39:43 PM

mtsbspidey

\"Religion has no place in any intelligent discussion about equal rights, particularly since fundies actually cherish inequality within their own heterosexual relationships.\"

i would like to thank you...that quote made me realize why conservatives oppose gay marriage...it is a matter of equal rights and destruction of straight marriage...

to most fundies...marriage is an arrangment built upon inequality...the woman is subservient to the man by simple virtue of the fact that he is the man...in gay marriage there isn't that inherant gender-based dominance...gay marriage threatens straight marriage because women might see a relationship where both partners are equal and would want that same equality...then they'd leave their fundie husbands..thus raising the divorce rate and destroying the institution of straight marriage...

does this sound like a workable rationale to anyone else?...did i really just figure out the secret non-jesus reason why they oppose gay marriage?

7/2/2006 6:24:51 PM

Crosis

<<< does this sound like a workable rationale to anyone else?...did i really just figure out the secret non-jesus reason why they oppose gay marriage? >>>

Yes, and probably.

7/2/2006 10:20:15 PM

Redhunter

Narcotics are not condusive to a good argument.


Oh, and you have to HAVE a point before you can digress from it.


7/3/2006 7:08:03 AM

Winston Jen

The non-Jesus argument is \"It's icky! Gross! Eeeewwww!\"

7/4/2006 3:43:54 AM

Napoleon the Clown

How about a nice hot cup of STFU?

7/4/2006 9:31:10 AM

Winston Jen

Don't forget to mix some semen and faeces with that cup of STFU, NtC. ;)

7/4/2006 4:38:08 PM

Crosis

<<< The non-Jesus argument is \"It's icky! Gross! Eeeewwww!\" >>>

That's the non-secret non-Jesus argument. The secret reason is probably much more along the lines of mtsbspidey's response, but they can't tell us that one because it's secret.

7/4/2006 10:09:41 PM

NJ Osprey

\"To be honest, the only forceful thing is that those who oppose it are being trying to be forced by law to recognise it. That's what would happen wouldn't it. We would have no legal choice correct. Isn't that a volation of my rights.\"

This is the same arguement that these folks made against inter-racial marriage. Its against (their interpretation) of the Bible. Its unnatural and besides, we don't like it so don't make me recognize the right of a black person and a white person to marry. Same shit, different decade.

7/5/2006 7:55:31 PM

kkkron

Oh no, they're forcing you to recognise the existence of gays. Damn liberals, oppressing everyone with their equality. If you deny it enough maybe they'll start to like women again, just like Jesus said it should be.

7/6/2006 4:58:36 PM

Ben

He's right you know... Thomas Jefferson originally meant to write \"Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Ignorance\", but his pen slipped.

7/7/2006 5:20:53 PM
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