[Apparently salvation depends on your political party:]
Liberals (Marxists and socialists), gays and feminists go to heaven? Sheesh! You know, As Christians, we'd hate to live our lives in holiness, after dailiy being conformed to the image of God's Son Jesus Christ and then get up to heaven, see a bunch of liberals, ungodly conservatives, sodomites and feminists and hear God say, "Oh, well, hell's such a terrible place, and I've decided to let all these wicked people up in here."
What a perversion of God's justice!
Unless of course you mean what you said in an a la The Apostle Paul "this is what some of you were, but you were washed..." sense. I'm hoping that's what you meant. But then, they wouldn't be feminists, liberals and gays by then, would they?
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So, what you're saying is, you know better than God? The God of supposedly infinite justice and mercy? If you're right about salvation, God may have some questions about your hubris.
A kindly old man died peacefully and found himself resurrected in the middle of a country road. And behold! Running toward him was his favorite dog! He knelt and embraced his long lost pet in tearful reunion. After some time, the dog seemed anxious to walk the road in what seemed to be the direction of the rising sun. The man followed.
Before long, they came to a fence of wrought gold, with pearly gates, behind which there stood mansion upon mansion. The gatekeeper, a tall man in flowing white robes, greeted the man, and welcomed him to enter.
"But what exactly is this place?" said the man, who had been a lifelong agnostic.
"This," said the gatekeeper, is Heaven. But you'll have to leave him outside. We have a strict no-pets policy."
The man stood in confusion for some moments. His face became grim. "No thanks," he said. "I'll take my chances with my dog."
For a long time, the man and his dog wandered down the road. At last they came to an unpretentious farming community with no fences or gates of any kind. What appeared to be a contented old farmer was sitting on a stool next to an old-fashioned hand operated water pump. The dog ran up to the farmer, who petted him, and gave him some water.
"Where is this place?" asked the man.
"This is Heaven," answered the farmer. "It's all around you. You've been in it, or at least the outskirts of it ever since you died."
"But that fellow back yonder behind the pearly gates said that place was Heaven." replied the man.
"Nah, that's Hell," replied the farmer. "We leave the entrance there to weed out the hypocrites who'd leave their best friend behind."
A man died and appeared before the Pearly Gates. "Welcome," said Saint Peter warmly, "and which Heaven would you like to be in?"
"What do you mean, 'which Heaven,'" asked the man.
"Oh, we assign people to the Heaven of their choice, depending on their religion," answered the Saint. "So what's yours?"
"I'm an Atheist," stammered the man.
"Still?" asked St. Peter.
"Well..."
"Never mind," said the Saint. "I'll give you the tour. I do this for lots of folks."
With that St. Peter led the man past all the various Heavens -- the Muslim Heaven of beautiful mats of green grass and bright flowers on which blessed souls reclined while nubile houris ministered to their every need, the Catholic Heaven where blessed souls drank sherry and played bingo, the Jewish Heaven where blessed souls argued passionately about politics and ate latkes -- Heaven after Heaven. Finally, they came to a pair of heavy steel doors. "SHHH!" hissed St. Peter, and they passed in complete silence.
"What was that about?" asked the man, when they were out of earshot.
"Oh, those are the Fundamentalists," answered the Saint. "It would ruin it for them if they knew anyone else was here."
An engineer dies and reports to the Pearly Gates. Saint Peter checks his dossier and says, "You're an engineer you're in the wrong place."
So the engineer reports to the Gates of Hell and is welcomed. Soon, the engineer becomes rather dissatisfied with the level of comfort in Hell; he begins to design and build improvements. Shortly thereafter, Hell has air conditioning, flush toilets, and escalators. Needless to say, the engineer is a pretty popular guy.
One day, God calls Satan and says, "So, how are things in Hell?"
Satan replies, "Hey, things are going great. We've got air conditioning, flush toilets, and escalators. And, there's no telling what this engineer is going to come up with next."
"What! You've got an engineer? That's a mistake - he should never have been sent to Hell... send him to me."
"Not a chance! I like having an engineer on the staff, and I'm keeping him!"
God insists, "Send him back or I'll sue."
Satan laughs uproariously and answers, "Yeah, right. And where are you going to get a lawyer?"
I wonder about these kinds of people. They say that even Hitler himself could be redeemed if he accepts Jesus, but liberals (whatever they mean by that), gays, and feminists have no chance at all. How bad do they think we are then?
@Truth is Stranger
Liberals (Marxists and socialists)
Yeah, Marxists and socialists really get off on that whole free enterprise thing, don't they? Why should I even try correcting this nonsense anymore? Here are some links instead, dumbass:
Liberalism
Marxism
Socialism
So, I have to be a misogynistic, bigoted, brain-dead GWB follower to get into heaven?
I'm glad you specify "God's justice," so that it isn't confused with actual justice.
"As Christians, we'd hate to live our lives in holiness, after dailiy being conformed to the image of God's Son Jesus Christ and then get up to heaven, see a bunch of liberals, ungodly conservatives, sodomites and feminists"
Doesn't this part smack of that, "If there was no god i'd go on a rape/murder spree cuz there wouldn't be any consequences" thing? We'd HATE to live in holiness only to find unholies there. Maybe I'm just reading into it.
So god deciding to be merciful and giving up the idea of eternal torment would be a perversion of god's justice? Please explain that. Good point papabear on the 'god's justice' bit. Dead on.
My mind is still trying to figure out the, "....what you said in an a la the apostle paul....." WTF were you even trying to say there?
Aparantly, truth is a stranger to this poster.
Jesus hung around with tax collectors, prostitutes, adulterers and the local unwashed, He didn't seem to mind. What's your beef, you're better than God's Little Boy?
Cthulhu's Quill #56715
<< I wonder about these kinds of people. They say that even Hitler himself could be redeemed if he accepts Jesus, but liberals (whatever they mean by that), gays, and feminists have no chance at all. How bad do they think we are then? >>
This was exactly what first occurred to me as well. The hyperbolic hubris of "Stranger To Truth," judging the value of others' souls (and on the basis of their sexuality or politics rather than their piety), is just mind-bogglingly hypocritical.
~David D.G.
Wow. Just....wow.
This guy reminds me of a frat brother I had in college. It wasnt't enough that he would succeed at something. He had to succeed BETTER than everyone else. It wasn't enough for him to win, everyone else had to LOSE.
This guy aparently believes that Heaven won't be worth it unless all the people he doesn't agree with get sent to hell.
Wait a minute....isn't that the story of Jonah? Jonah is told to go preach to the Ninevites, but he doesn't want the Ninevites saved so he tries to run and winds up in the belly of a fish? And when he finally gets out he STILL has to go preach to the people he hated?
This guy needs to actually read his Bible, and not just walk around holding it. The god in there generally doesn't put up with this kind of shit.
Oh, and if God is perfect, how could he possibly pervert his OWN justice?
If god did it, it MUST be perfect, and how dare this guy claim to know better than God.
@Sandman
This guy needs to actually read his Bible, and not just walk around holding it. The god in there generally doesn't put up with this kind of shit.
Sssshhhh! We may as well free up a little room if there turns out to be a heaven.
OK. I have said 200 times that, if I´m not going to be saved, I don´t care. Honestly, according to this moron, I will have company, and these idiots would be lonely in a paradise?
“As Christians, we'd hate to live our lives in holiness, after dailiy being conformed to the image of God's Son Jesus Christ and then get up to heaven, see a bunch of liberals,…”
Oh, fuck off. This is exactly why i left the Church. You care more about being rewarded for your piety than you do about your fellow man.
If you really worshiped a god of ‘love,’ you’d rejoice at every soul that made it to paradise. But you want everyone you disagree with to suffer. Horribly. For eternity. For YOUR glory. To make YOU special.
When i believed God was real, I felt sure that Hell had to be a test. NO ONE who had Christ in their heart could enjoy Paradise if they knew anyone was in the Lake of Fire… But i found Xian after Xian that WANTED and desperately needed people to be down there, so they could enjoy viewing them from Heaven.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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