Thank God for war.
War is, of course, the ultimate obscenity in which man works feverishly to destroy his enemies. It is also the conduit by which evil is defeated. For example, had the Crusades succeeded, the billion people enslaved by Islam, the religion of the damned, would have not had this false religion jammed down their throat at the point of a sword. War brought freedom to America and by extension, the greatest beacon for freedom and democracy on the planet. War ended the scourge of Nazism and twice removed an oppressive enemy from Europe.
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That's the most revisionist account of the Crusades I've ever heard. Had the Crusaders succeeded, the city of Jerusalem would have been a vassal state of some European power, and the rest of the Islamic world would continue on unfazed (but perhaps preparing for their re-sacking of Jerusalem).
@Wow
That's the most revisionist account of the Crusades I've ever heard. Had the Crusaders succeeded, the city of Jerusalem would have been a vassal state of some European power, and the rest of the Islamic world would continue on unfazed (but perhaps preparing for their re-sacking of Jerusalem).
Isn't that exactly what happened? At least, from the First through Third.
"Thank God for war."
No.
"War is, of course, the ultimate obscenity in which man works feverishly to destroy his enemies. It is also the conduit by which evil is defeated."
It can be that, but I think it often is not. Even when there is a clear good against evil aspect to a war, there are many other dishonorable facets.
"For example, had the Crusades succeeded, the billion people enslaved by Islam, the religion of the damned, would have not had this false religion jammed down their throat at the point of a sword."
I guess you are forgetting that one of the main points of the crusades was to convert muslims to Xianity at the point of a sword. Not that Islam is any better having been spread across north Africa largely by conquest.
I think a Xian calling Islam "the religion of the damned" doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
"War brought freedom to America and by extension, the greatest beacon for freedom and democracy on the planet."
Well, maybe until the GWB administration.
"War ended the scourge of Nazism and twice removed an oppressive enemy from Europe."
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most people agree that WWII was at least justifiable and the right side won, but wouldn't it have been so much better if the world had not had to fight that war?
WWI...Vietnam. Which was more pointless? I really can't decide. It is worth noting, however, that WWI (more specifically, the resolution thereof) led directly to the events of WWII. Not only was it pointless, but it led to the worst bloodbath of the 20th century.
@Papabear
Cousin Ted -- There's stiff competition for the "most pointless war of the 20th century." WWI is right up there but Vietnam and the war in Iraq are strong contenders.
Which century did the war in Iraq begin? ;)
But still, between Iraq and Vietnam, I'd give Vietnam the win just for the duration and sheer loss of lives.
Probably the same as all those other centuries, but with a higher body-count. Is this not, afterall, the age of overkill? "Take that, 'terrorism'!"
I'm offended by this post, solely on the basis of the fact that I was a Medieval Studies major. News flash, moron: The Christians started the Crusades. They had the nifty idea of invading the "Holy Land" to take back Jerusalem from the "infidels." Read a book sometime. Moron.
@Dr. Major
But what about Star Wars?
Well that's obviously a good set of wars. But only because we got to watch the good guys end up winning.
Another fuckwit conservatard posting from Freak Conservatives showing the usual grasp of history and current events, that is... none!
Oh, and NutJob99, the greatest bastion of democracy and freedom on the planet isn't the USA anymore, what with Dubya and is cronies using your Constitution and Bill of Rights for asswipe. Patriot Act, anyone?
This from a closet queen who has never worn a uniform in his life, unless it was to a costume party.
I love these armchair warriors who glorify killing, and don't have the balls to experience it for themselves.
Nutrider, are you actually a closet queen?
I mean, "nutrider" really does have some homosexual undertones, really!
"As a military philosopher, I cringe at your simplifications."
Admittedly I was going for the main points, not trying to write a dissertation. I am aware that there are greater complexities, but I didn't feel that expanding on them at length was warranted in this context.
I think his point was supposed to be that if the Crusaders had finished what they started, Islam would be vanquished and we would all be living in a perfectly Christian world right now where everyone praises Jesus and nobody has sex outside of marriage.
He doesn't seem to realize that the Islam before the Mongol invasion of Baghdad in 1258 C.E. was a different beast than the Islam afterward.
Confused?
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