(Most pedophiles are STRAIGHT males whether they abuse boys or girls by the way.)
a male has sex with a male is he gay..... raping is volient sex without the others wanting it... so if a male rapes a young male.... the older male is either gay or bi... go look it up!
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I think that defining who is and who isn't gay is sometimes difficult. Plenty of homosexuals have had heterosexual intercourse, so why is it hard to believe that heterosexuals may have had homosexual intercourse? Perhaps BEING gay has more to do with sexual attraction than with sex acts actually performed.
Also, rape of adults or children is more an act of dominance than of sexual attraction.
From my understanding, the "sexuality" in pedophilia generally has little to do with grown up sexuality.
Pedophiles are mostly attracted to young boys because the difference between a boy's body and a man's body is greater than with girls and women. They are attracted to the non hairiness, to lack of development. And high ammount of them are actually heterosexual, in their adult relationship (well, I'm guessing most of them is to create an image of a perfect husband/father to keep on doing what they're doing), or nonsexual towards adults.
And since when do we define sexuality according to what kind of a kid attracts us? It's always been what kind of an adult does. Kid = pedophilia. End of discussion.
So no, gays are not most likely to be paedophiles, as most christians would LOVE to believe. Much larger number of them is straight, but simply for the illusion. And most of them are wonderful husbands, and fathers, and great community men, church members, and so on and so on... the type you'd love to leave your kids with, right?
A prison? Oh, I get it, don't drop the
soap. Thanks for wishing me well.
Sure I know they rape people in prison
for power, but if you're willing to fuck
some other man up the ass does it make
you gay or not? I'd say it's not as
clear as you think.
Besides, in prison it is done to gain
respect. In a sick way it can save your
life to rape another man. I bet
pedophiles are very scared of little
children.
I just don't think it's all clear cut
with no gays being pedophiles what so
ever. Do you know the mind of a
pedophile? Did Freud? Does the pedophile
himself know? Who has the authority to
say?
Sorry for the rant, but I don't think
this is that obvious.
Yet another person who doesn't know that pedophilia is NOT an act of sex. It's an act of violence and control, the gender of the victim is meaningless because the sex is meaningless. The pedophile gets his (or her) payoff from the sense of power and control over a helpless human being. The orgasm (if there even is one) is irrelevant.
You explained it yourself. "Some" may well prefer one gender over another, but the majority (of documented ones) do not. But like everything else concerning human behavior, there are always exceptions to every trend and "normal" pattern.
Yes, there ARE some sexual predators of children who are motivated by sex. Interestingly enough, a lot of them turn out to be heterosexual women motivated by "love." (Mary Kay Latourneau, etc.) Others are heterosexual men preying on (usually) teenage or pre-teen girls. (The vast majority of these being internet stalkers.) And yes, some of the sexually motivated pedophiles do in fact turn out to be homosexuals preyeing on same-gender children. But just because some of them are, is not a good reason to say they all are, or even to say that most of them are.
And yes, I noticed this means my
statement in the beginning is
wrong...one should label pedophiles
individually due to their motives
(sexual or domination etc) instead
of assuming and stereotyping, but this
goes both ways. I kind of screwed up
there.
I tend to agree with Ice. Pedophelia is an attraction to the undeveloped body and demeanor of a child; the sex of the child is typically irrelevant to the pedophile. I think there's a whole lot more going on there mentally then making it so clean-cut as to assume the sexuality of the aggressor by their choice of victim.
For instance, in cases of male-on-male rape (and I'm referring to outside prison) where the aggressor is a self-proclaimed heterosexual who only normally has sex with women, the rape act is typically an act of rage or power... a way to punish the victim. Do gay men rape? I'm sure they do. But raping a man does not "make" you a homosexual.
Sandman also made excellent points. And vipertaja, I believe the prison comment was directed toward the submission, not your comments.
"I believe the prison comment was
directed toward the submission, not your
comments."
Yes, likely it was. I've been debating more than usual on christianforums the last days and the difference to this place might have slipped my mind. I
likely ought to cut down a bit.
@Papabear
Also, rape of adults or children is more an act of dominance than of sexual attraction.
Amen.
I think most of the good points have been covered. When I think of a guy who has molested a little girl, I don't think, "Hey, that guy's straight!" I say, "What a sick fuck that would take advantage and control the brain and trust of a child." There is no part of my brain that differentiates between a molester of 5 year old boys or girls. I see it as an equally sick and dominating behaviour that does little if anything to determine orientation. Also, in places like catholic churches and prison, the 'options' as it were are mostly limited to boys or men.
Strangely, a quote from Richard Pryor hits on some truths to this, here is a paraphrase: "If I was in prison, eventually, I'd fuck somebody! After a few years, an asshole, looks like an asshole." Basically there is a lot to consider. At the least we shouldn't group molesters with gays, that seems obvious.
To echo what's already been pointed out, the definition of bi and gay involve a desire/love/sexual attraction with someone of your own sex, yes? So in ~this~ quote, he's more or less right. Mind you, the rest of the shit he spouts is nonsense and misinformation, but... yeah. If you aren't into guys, odds are good you wouldn't hop in bed with one, seems to me.
Mind you, the mental image his second phrase brought up involves someone stuffing small rodents into someone else, which is disturbing enough to warrent a post. o.O
Yes, Jaxraven said what I tried to say.
As for someone claiming rape not being
sex, I'll have to disagree. IMO it's
forced sex or sexual abuse, whether the
abuser gets off on the sex or the
torture aspect or both. It's too easy to
just shout that it has nothing to do
with sex. If it doesn't then why do
rapists fuck people? Why not simple
torture?
Lets say I use the same argument , hypothetically a man rapes a 12 year old and if that 12 year old is female. and the rapist is male. He(rapist) is by your standards and account a heterosexual and if this is true he is also a heterosexual then (once again using your argument) all heterosexual are sicko child rapist or pedophiles that rape young girls ........Not very logical or as clear cut as you would have like it when its told like this ...Kind of throw a wrench in your plans and screws up the all gays are perverts theory doesn't it........
since some repeat rapists only rape boys, they have an attraction to young males
homosexual pedofilia. That's valid
But the main statement is "Most" pedophiles are straight and statistics bear that out
Or, we could just see each other as human beings, who are attracted to certain people.
But the limit should be "consenting adults", of course.
Pedophiles are (mostly) attracted to innocence, to vulnerability.
I actually don't get how a older man molesting a male child is not gay. it's still wrong, based on the pedophilia and the molesting part, but not calling it gay would be wrong by definition.
however, I don't think pedophilia and homosexuality correlate in any manner you can draw the conclusion fundies want from: gay = pedophile. that's just bullcrap.
Volient sex? Sounds like some kind of vortex-based fetish or something:
"FUCK YES, I FUCKIN' LOVE ANTI-GRAVITY, TESSERACT SEX."
Confused?
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