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A great irony, here, is that the scientific method comes from the Bible and from biblical theology.

Hugh Ross, Ph.D., Reasons.org 40 Comments [7/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Talisman
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Incubusion

... This the same bible that condems people for thinking logically and asking for proof rather than blind faith?

I'm sorry, what bible are YOU reading?

7/18/2006 11:43:35 AM

quantumspirit

I'm not so sure this is a fundyism, it could be depending on the source. It could also be that the scientific method coincides with biblical reasoning. Talisman, what do you know about Hugh Ross from his other posts?

7/18/2006 12:02:25 PM

Julian

Ph.D. means what in your world?

7/18/2006 12:10:38 PM

[url=http://www.amon-hen.com/]rlrr[/url]

Ph.D. means what in your world?

Something one gets via mail order.

7/18/2006 12:32:29 PM

Tiny Bulcher

Chapter and verse, please.

7/18/2006 12:52:14 PM

McCulloch

He is absolutely right.
Originally posted by 1 Thessalonians 5:21

But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
Is this not the very essence of the scientific method? And ironically, the very reason why I left Christianity.

7/18/2006 1:03:03 PM

JadedRevenge

Smithy 13:45 - And thou shalt make a hypothesis, then devise an experiment in which to test thou hypothesis.

7/18/2006 1:20:51 PM

Bone_Vulture

The quote could be the biggest straight insult towards science I've read yet.

7/18/2006 1:48:15 PM

Dr. Major

Simply logic folks nothing new here

Everything true is in the bible
The scientific method is true
Therfore it is in the bible and has always been in the bible

7/18/2006 2:20:24 PM

Talisman

Originally posted by quantumspirit

Talisman, what do you know about Hugh Ross from his other posts?

See here for more of his other articles. He's not a raving fundy like some we get here. He likes to shroud his fundyism in the guise of science and uses his Ph.D. to those ends.

See also his articles The Big Bang! - The Bible Taught it First and Summary of Reasons To Believe's
Testable Creation Model
. That last one alone, believing that creationists have any model at all, let alone a testable one puts him in the fundy category for me. Especially since he's got a Ph.D. and says this.

Oh yea, then there's this little gem.

Originally posted by Hugh Ross, Ph.D.

One way to approach the question [doubting 900+ year life spans] is to ask, Why can’t people live that long today? What limits human life spans to just a fraction of the 900 years? And how might that answer help explain—and defend—the ancient text?

In my own and others’ writings, the Vela supernova (a massive stellar explosion that occurred early in the human era) has been identified as the possible culprit. It seems this event may be at least partly responsible for the cosmic radiation that keeps people from living longer than 120 years or so. In recent months, however, a new and much more likely suspect has been identified.

You tell me the last time you heard of someone who wasn't a fundy that bought into the 900+ year life span of humans recorded in the Bible.

7/18/2006 2:40:22 PM

ProperJob

That'll be why the Dark Ages, a time when Europe was almost dominated by Christianity, was such a treasure trove of scientific progress, then.

7/18/2006 2:44:28 PM

David D.G.

Piled higher and deeper, indeed!


~David D.G.

7/18/2006 2:51:19 PM

Papabear

McCulloch -- Yeah, except that Paul's definition of what is \"good\" may not be related to what is true. After all, Paul was a self-proclaimed liar for God.

7/18/2006 3:00:09 PM

Papabear

I think Hugh's Ph.D. may stand for Photo-copied Diploma.

7/18/2006 3:01:42 PM

Alejandro

The source, and intent of the writer, seem fundie enough, but a similar thing has been suggested seriously. Many scholars think that it was Europe (instead of other civilisations) that developed modern science because of the Judeo-Christian idea of a lawgiving God leading to fixed laws of nature, and the inheritance of the medieval tradition of rational argument in theology being directed to the natural world after the Renaiscance.

It is highly debatable idea, of course, but not in itself a fundie one. Of course, given the retarded Creationist stupidity that fills the rest of the linked article, one can only guess at whether Ross was thinking of this or was just taking a random shot against science.

7/18/2006 3:19:30 PM

gregfl

Of course it does!

The talking snake is the professor, the taking donkey his assistant...the vice-principal is a genesis giant.

First lessonis botany...please direct your everyone direct your attention to the talking burning bush.
Tomorrow's lesson is Cosmlology. We will be discussing the fact that the earth is the center of the universe, and the stars were hung by god to provide light to the earth.


7/18/2006 3:37:25 PM

Scotty

Fundy Ph.D. - You pay the Postage and handling, we give you a Degree.

7/18/2006 4:43:00 PM

Amigone201

Hugh Ross, Pathetic, hubristic Dumbass wrote:

One way to approach the question [doubting 900+ year life spans] is to ask, Why canâ?™t people live that long today? What limits human life spans to just a fraction of the 900 years? And how might that answer help explainâ?”and defendâ?”the ancient text?

So in other words, you ADMIT that you're starting with a conclusion?

7/18/2006 5:41:05 PM

Gerard

<<One way to approach the question [doubting 900+ year life spans] is to ask, Why can’t people live that long today? What limits human life spans to just a fraction of the 900 years? And how might that answer help explain—and defend—the ancient text?>>

One way to approach this 'question'. It is of course the WRONG way.

7/18/2006 6:23:02 PM

quantumspirit

I looked it up, and yes this Pretty hubristic Dumbass is a fundie.

7/18/2006 7:28:06 PM

Sandman

Actually the scientific method can be traced back to ancient China and the Middle East (where is was practiced mainly by Arabs. GASP!)

I thought the scientific method he so proudly speaks of precludes simply \"making shit up\" as a viable source of data.

7/18/2006 7:37:20 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Where in the Bible? Far as I know, the Bible teaches \"Listen to what I say and don't question it.\" instead of, you know, the scientific method...

7/18/2006 7:45:55 PM

Zipperback

Though he loses some credibility when he pronounces his title \"fid\"

7/18/2006 8:35:32 PM

whitewater55

There is great irony here, but I am sure it is unintentional.

7/18/2006 9:34:10 PM

Dan

Ross claims his PhD is in astronomy, from the University of Toronto.

Maybe it is - but he's clearly forgotten whatever astronomy he ever knew.

7/18/2006 9:37:40 PM
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