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A great irony, here, is that the scientific method comes from the Bible and from biblical theology.

Hugh Ross, Ph.D., Reasons.org 40 Comments [7/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Star Cluster

I don't think this is irony at all. I think he is right. People with intellect and rationale would read the Bible and the theology therein and say \"This shit can't be right\" and thus spawned the scientific method to find the right answers.

7/18/2006 9:37:53 PM

David D.G.

Waitaminnit, a guy with a PhD in astronomy accepts the biblical creation story as literal truth? And he thinks that the Bible (somehow) is the source of the scientific method?!?

You'd think a PhD in astronomy would have heard of Copernicus, Galileo, and others of their ilk, and how the Church didn't accept their scientific methodology as (if you'll pardon the expression) gospel.

I guess he must have gotten the PhD before the brain damage occurred.


~David D.G.

7/18/2006 10:51:14 PM

Hadanelith

No it doesn't. Idiot.

7/18/2006 11:24:16 PM

Redhunter

\"the scientific method comes from the Bible\"

Oh, is that the part where science and reason is considered a sin and spawned by the devil like music, dancing and poetry?

7/19/2006 7:16:59 AM

tracer

I had a theistic biology professor once who believed that the ancient Israelites -- also known as the guys who wrote the Old Testament -- invented the foundation of the scientific method.

His thinking went like this:

Before the ancient Hebrews came along, the gods -- and therefore the universe -- were treated as chaotic. You could never be sure what would tick off Zeus next. Eros might suddenly decide to screw with you for no reason whatsoever. Trying to please the gods might win you some points with them, or it might not. You just didn't know.

The ancient Israelites, however, took a completely new and different tack: God's rules were absolutely 100% predictable. If you did exactly what God told you to do, God would bless you. If bad times befell you, it was because someone in your community broke a divine Commandment. The behavior of God -- and, therefore, the universe -- could be predicted 100% of the time, provided you knew what the rules were.

This new view of a predictable universe led directly to science as we know it today.


I have a feeling, though, that the Israelites weren't the first to conceive of divine laws and/or a rigid system of predictable rewards and punishments....

7/20/2006 8:31:53 PM

David D.G.

Tracer, I'm sorry, but your teacher's position of how the Israelites supposedly saw things really isn't all that different from the \"pagan\" situation. It just adds the factor of hunting for scapegoats among your own people to be blamed for diseases, famines, and natural disasters instead of accepting that even the god being worshipped might be capricious -- or, rather, that it might NOT BE A GOD AT ALL, but merely nonconscious Nature.


~David D.G.

7/20/2006 10:34:15 PM

Crosis

Pray tell, where does it say in the Bible, \"When thou observest a strange phenomenon that cannot be explained by known theories, thou shalt create a Hypothesis to explain it. Then thou shalt test thy Hypothesis by creating Experiments and comparing the Results to the Prediction of thy Hypothesis. If the Results do not match the Prediction, create a new Hypothesis. If, however, after many Experiments, thy Hypothesis has predicted the Results every time, it shall become a Theory.\"?

(I see I'm expanding on JadedRevenge's comment, but I didn't read the comments until after I'd typed this.)

7/30/2006 7:04:49 AM



Lying is a sin according to your scriptures.

7/11/2008 9:01:27 PM

I read about the afterlife

Funny, if the scientifc method came from the Bible -- you'd think they'd apply it to figure out whether or not bats were birds...

5/3/2010 7:17:03 AM

Quantum Mechanic

no

5/3/2010 7:49:04 AM

Gore

Far from it, you delusional f'wit! Please turn in your fraudulent Ph.D. and complementary decoder ring ASAP.

5/3/2010 3:45:53 PM

blayzekohime

2 And God did saith unto Abraham "And take thy tools, and perform experiments, that thou may knoweth if our hypotheses be correct."
3 And Abraham did starteth up the particle collider, and behold! The theory heldeth up to the test.
4 And the Lord did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large --

8/3/2010 8:53:59 AM

Justanotheratheist

There may be a grain of truth here, albeit not in the way that he intends. The bible is so plainly absurd and impossible to swallow that rational people are forced to seek alternative answers.


8/4/2010 1:49:28 AM

Anon-e-moose

"A great irony, here, is that the scientific method comes from the Bible and from biblical theology."

Okay. Build me a wheel on the Biblical basis that Pi = exactly 3:



The great irony here, is that the scientific method says you can't.

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

@blayzekohime

"2 And God did saith unto Abraham "And take thy tools, and perform experiments, that thou may knoweth if our hypotheses be correct."
3 And Abraham did starteth up the particle collider, and behold! The theory heldeth up to the test.
4 And the Lord did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large --"

Passages taken, presumably, from the Book of St Brian The Very Naughty Boy. Like it! b^_^d

God and Hugh Ross are at the LHC at CERN, and they witness the scientists there create a big bang.

God looks down at Hugh and says 'See, my son? That's how you do that.'

X3

8/4/2010 6:47:56 AM

Swede

Chapter and verse please, Mr Ross, chapter and verse, NOW!

8/4/2010 6:55:13 AM
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