Quote# 13097

Did we breathe nitrogen??

I was trying to look up some things we know about how creatures, even man may have breathed in the past. I thought I'd throw it out.
I think that massive changes happened, leaving our universe in a different state after the flood sometime. Before this I think evolution could happen very fast.
So, I was considering what evidence exists that might say we MUST have used to breathe as we now do, absorbing the oxygen, etc. Could we tell by any evidence anywhere that this was the case? (and I don't mean looking at a chest cavity, and speculating how it must have worked if the past were the same)

One example that made me think of this is trees. In the past, with a different light, and growing process, from what I can tell of the bible (as in the future) trees grew superfast. In a week or so, in cases.

Could they have did something like absorb the nitrogen, and give off more carbon, or some such? If so, looking at carbon levels in the past in trees would yield no results with any real bearing on any real time.

I hear nitrogen is used in keeping apples fresh over the winter. If we are looking for possible causes of man being able to live for a thousand years almost in the past, could this be one area to explore?
If, say, (I don't know, just guessing here) an apple can be kept pretty fresh for up to 7 months, instead of a week or so on our counter, that is a fantastic difference. 7 days on the counter, in this example, versus 210 days with the nitrogen process. Or, a thirty fold increase in "lifespan"!!
If we now live 80 years, rather than, say 950 years, that means about almost a 12 fold decrease in lifespan.

Can this idea, that we adapted to absorb gases differently be ruled out?

dad, Christian Forums 39 Comments [7/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Broken Egg

Guess what? Plants already absorb nitrogen! It's called the nitrogen cycle. It's very important to all living things on this planet, what with nitrogen being one of the primary substances required for all sorts of biological building blocks like amino acids, and eventually DNA.

That being said, dad, living things on this planet can't directly absorb nitrogen. We need it to be \"fixed\", or put into a substance life can take in. As an example, I give you nitrates, which can be found in fertilizers (as in proper doses they aid plant growth). However, what you are talking about, plants and animals actually breathing nitrogen, is bull crap.

Just because you think that the Bible says something, doesn't make it true.

7/18/2006 6:57:12 PM


gnhhh! [that was me swallowing my tongue in laughter]

7/18/2006 7:11:28 PM


Ooh! I nominate 'dad' to test this hypothesis at his earliest convenience. Go for 100%!

7/18/2006 7:18:13 PM


we breathe nitrogen today. Air is 78% nitrogen.

7/18/2006 7:30:31 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Nitrogen has no special preservative properties. It simply is not usefull for respiration. A high nitrogen enviroment would simply slow microbial growth due to decreased CO2 supply.

7/18/2006 7:51:50 PM

David D.G.

There's a big difference between being alive (whether as a plant or as an animal) and being just tissue that's preserved from decay by a gas that inhibits the growth of bacteria.

Of course, I'm not the least bit surprised that \"dad\" doesn't get this. Consider his variation of \"scientific research,\" as described here:

\"One example that made me think of this is trees. In the past, with a different light, and growing process, from what I can tell of the bible (as in the future) trees grew superfast. In a week or so, in cases.\"

It's just heartbreaking to realize that he truly thinks he's making scientific breakthroughs from what he thinks he can tell of the Bible's descriptions of the past. I'd bet that crack addicts probably have a better grasp of reality than this.

~David D.G.

7/18/2006 8:03:24 PM


Wait, wait, hold on here. Hang on. Does this douche really think that what's written in the Bible is valid scientific data?

7/18/2006 9:13:36 PM

Star Cluster

Someone somewhere must really be giving dad, JohnR7, and AngryNotice a real dose of logic and common sense refutation of their claims. To come up with insane explanations like this is one hell of a stretch of anyones imagination. Damn, I nearly went cross-eyed trying to read and follow this one.

7/18/2006 9:22:13 PM


Get thee to a remedial science class before thine fucktardness spreads to thine seed.

7/18/2006 9:34:01 PM


As I read this post, I knew it was dad. Still totally off his nut, but still highly entertaining, in a twisted, Monty Python kind of way.

7/18/2006 9:38:14 PM


CHON: Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen. These are the things we are made of. Keep in mind, however, that only oxygen is used on its own; the others are only important as parts of compounds.

7/18/2006 11:24:02 PM

never been there

OK, paragraph by paragraph:

If you looked at the complexity of respiration and photosynthesis, it's amazing that it evolved over a billion years, never mind more than once in 6010 years.

Trees in two weeks, eh? The Bible tells you so? Do tell.


Apples are stored in enriched CO2. I'm sure CO2/N2 mixtures are used. But that's to suppress respiration (the same kind of respiration we and fundies use). The next sentence is hard to parse but I think the point is that apples last longer because they're being suffocated. If you give them oxygen they become trees.

7/18/2006 11:29:36 PM


Dad, dear dad, you flunked biology AND chemistry.

\"Can this idea, that we adapted to absorb gases differently be ruled out?\"


7/19/2006 12:21:39 AM


dad - do you know why preservatives work? (Hint nothing to do with God, even if salt is mentinoed in the bible) They kill bacteria which are part of the decay process. Salting something sucks the water out of any bacteria killing them.

If we could breathe Nitrogen, why on Earth would we swap over to Oxygen or worse still Carbon Dioxide? Sheesh, you don't go from a more plentiful resource to a rarer one! Evolution doesn't work that way.

Now, prokaryotic life forms are really interesting, some use oxygen to make energy, (ATP etc) some use carbon dioxide, incredibly rare colonies on the sea floor use hydrogen sulfide or methane. These are the basic building blocks of entire ecosystems.

Now after billions of years, the CO2 and O2 prokaryotes both evolved into eukaryotes, and that means there's two types of multicellular organisms that 'breathe'. Neither breathe N2.

Go away!

People did not live for a 1,000 years 3,000 years ago. Carbon dating is not inherently flawed.

Asphyxiation is actually lack of oxygen, no one gives a shit about the other gases. If you breathe N2 from a tank and no air, you will die in minutes.

7/19/2006 2:05:25 AM


One example that made me think of this is trees. In the past, with a different light, and growing process, from what I can tell of the bible (as in the future) trees grew superfast. In a week or so, in cases.

Oh look, he's talking about the creation myth, and the fact that the dove brought back a fully formed olive branch after a week that'd take years to grow in the story of Noah's Ark.

Fuck dad! Get it into your thick head that shit like this proves the bible wrong, not science!

7/19/2006 2:14:04 AM


Does anyone have the time to go over to CF and explain to dad what mitochondria are?

(I don't even have the time to link in wikipedia or mitomap.org) Definitely worth the vist though!

(The attachments and the human migration map would blow dad's mind if he wouldn't dismiss them as the work of Satan)

7/19/2006 2:34:53 AM


WTF? Nowhere does the Bible say anything about the growth rate of trees!

7/19/2006 3:36:53 AM


QS - Genesis 1, 2 and 7. (see #58992)

7/19/2006 4:03:59 AM


Hey Dad, can this idea that we need to check for midichlorian levels in trees be ruled out?


7/19/2006 7:12:46 AM


I liked The_Bear's rebuttal better: pre-flood humans breathed highly radioactive formaldehyde vapor, that's what preserved them for 900 years.

7/19/2006 10:32:04 AM


You are correct in thinking that nitrogen preserves fruit. This is because it makes all the living organisms that would break the fruit down DEAD. And you think it would make you live longer if you breathed it? You're welcome to prove us wrong. Hey, maybe if we all chip in, we can buy you a tank of nitrogen and a facemask!

Seriously, human blood chemistry, and the correct functioning of ALL internal organs, is based ENTIRELY around oxygen. (and just the right amount too, that happens to be in the atmosphere - there's a point for evolution. If you breathe pure oxygen for any length of time, I gather it can actually do you harm). If you were to change all the internal systems to work with nitrogen instead, you'd have something that didn't even VAGUELY resemble a human being.

7/19/2006 11:05:31 AM


dad is by far one of the most entertaining dimbulb twits that trolls the surface of Christian Forums.

That is, so long as you don't try to take him seriously or respond to him. That kind of activity can lead you down more dangerous paths than inhaling pure heroin.

7/19/2006 1:13:18 PM

David D.G.

I'm guessing that \"dad\" tried oxygen once, back in the '70s, but that he didn't inhale.

At least, that would explain the lack of lucidity in his posts: He's brain-dead.

~David D.G.

7/19/2006 3:59:47 PM


I also find it funny that his screen name is an acronym for a popular movie starring Jim Carey.

7/19/2006 4:31:48 PM

Star Cluster

MK, yeah, I'd noticed that, too, and had thought about commenting on it but you beat me to it. Well played.

7/19/2006 9:33:49 PM

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