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[How can people possibly think that 1500 years of Christian teachings can be wrong, and what's currently taught in the non-Catholic world is right?]

Maybe there scared of being wrong? Maybe the truth hurts to much!! Some people cannot deal with it on a mental level, they are happy to be in denial. In other words, for some people, it doesn’t matter. Some people think that they are the centre of all truth and that they cannot be wrong, they believe that they are infallible. Some people are paranoid, and think that God will punish them for being Catholic. Some people are sadly brainwashed, and are unable to make reasonable choices for themselves, and they are lead by other peoples logic with out question, and feel guilty if they oppose their teachers. Some people are just spiritual slaves, or feel that it is enough just to believe, and that religion doesn’t really matter, so-long as the church is nice. For some its just pride, pure and simple.

freesoulhope, Catholic Answers Forums 27 Comments [7/18/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Incubusion

I dunno.. maybe the... 1500 years part?

As for the guy's response...

freesoulhope: So, who's denying truth today?

Mirror: I'd say you.

freesoulhope: COMMUNIST ATHEISTIC DEVIL WORSHIPPER!

Mirror: Hey, I'm just a fucking mirror.

7/19/2006 4:53:52 AM

Kyle

In today's top story, irony meters across the internet exploded violently, killing dozens. More after sports.

7/19/2006 5:16:29 AM

Papabear

Mirror, mirror, on the wall,
who is the most deluded of all?


I thought my new, heavy-duty, digital irony meter would be able to stand up to this kind of crap. Sadly, no. It's melted chassis is now fused to my computer table.

7/19/2006 6:08:33 AM

Redhunter

I must have my backwards glasses on because this doesn't look quite right......Ummmm. Huh?

7/19/2006 6:56:15 AM

NotMe

Remember, snake oil works better than antibiotics!

7/19/2006 7:01:30 AM

Zadic

So what's your excuse?

7/19/2006 9:35:29 AM

Brain_In_A_Jar

You kids today, with your newfangled fire and your primitive tribal music. For hundreds of years we ate our meat raw and sat in silence, and that was always enough for us!

7/19/2006 10:55:28 AM

Sandman

what about the 4000 years of Taoist thought? Let's see...other religions with a longer history of believers than Christianity...Confuscianism, Buddhism, Judaism...hmmmm....I know there are more out there.

Longevity of an idea in no way is proof of that idea's truth. If the idea has been consistantly and rigorously tested over that time and has withstood those tests, then that argues strongly for it's truth, but does not prove it. Only the presence of a positive proof of the idea does that, and as much as Christians would like to think so (and I am a Christian saying this), there has been no definitive proof of the veracity of the ideas of Christianity.

1 Billion Christians can't be wrong? Sure they can, if they are wrong. Just like you think an almost equal number of Muslims are, in fact, wrong. If they can be wrong, you can be wrong.

Only the weak philosophy fears challenge.

7/19/2006 12:38:50 PM

David D.G.

Oh, man, if anything ever deserved a Pot and Kettle Award, this is it. The irony is amazingly strong with this one.


~David D.G.

7/19/2006 2:16:55 PM

Berny

When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods from all the other religions as being fake, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

7/19/2006 3:45:00 PM

TDR

yup. Some people, eh?

7/19/2006 6:24:14 PM

Star Cluster

In reference to a post I left on the previous thread and to Sandman's post on this one, I am shocked and dismayed.

7/20/2006 3:15:27 AM

Ed

Oh god, I've never actually been physically hurt by the irony on this site, but I feel like someone socked me in the ribs.

7/20/2006 5:04:45 AM

Sandman

May I ask why I shock and amaze you? Just curious.

7/20/2006 5:28:08 PM

Star Cluster

Because, you say you are a Christian, and you speak with clarity and intelligence, something we rarely encounter from, not just Christians, but anyone of a religious bent. It is actually refreshing. I have been paying more attention to what you put in your comments on other threads since I posted my previous comments and I must say, that were it not for your saying you are a Christian, I'm not really sure I would have been able to tell. That is not a backhanded slap, mind you, but just a commentary on what appears to be your openmindedness and unwillingness to go along with the nonsense espoused by the fundies and other idiots featured on this website.

By the way, the comment I left on another thread was \"Wouldn't we all be shocked and dismayed if just once, a fundie admitted there is no proof of any of this crap outside the Babble?\" This is what I was referring to above.


7/20/2006 8:03:27 PM

Sandman

Star Cluster,

I guess the last line of my previous post kind of sums me up: \"Only the weak philosophy fears challenge.\" But I think I want to revise that for clarity: \"Only the weak philosopher fears challenge.\" I like that better.

I was raised Lutheran, but not aggressively so. I eventually became a person who is skeptical about EVERYTHING, who questions EVERYTHING. I got degrees in English Lit, Visual Arts, Theology, and Integrated Education and became a teacher. I teach at a Christian school, and a conservative one at that.

That said, here is what I believe:

I believe in God, but I daily question all that we, as humans, think we know about him. I even question if he exists or not. I have to; I can't accept ANYTHING without subjecting it to thought and debate. (Which drives my wife batshit.) How can so many people claim on one hand that God is \"unknowable\" and then in the same breath claim to know everything about him and his will? If God is unknowable, then admit that we don't know a lot about him. Question dogma, because all dogma ever did was suffocate thought. Notice I didn't say reject or abandon dogma, but to question it. If it is true and accurate, it will withstand the questions and doubts, and the undoubted faith is not worth having. An undoubted faith is not faith at all; it is merely habit.

Only dogma that is false need fear criticism or question. To react aggressively towards such attacks is merely to admit you have no faith in them holding up.

I am a Christian because I choose to be one. Because there are things in the faith that speak to me. The moral code of (true) Christianity is a beautiful and elegant philosophy, although at heart it is not original to the Christians.

However, I have no patience for anyone who seeks to control the thoughts and beliefs of others. Far too many Christians do not trust their fellow humans to make decisions for themselves. That's why the Roman church in the Middle Ages refused to allow the people to have direct access to the Bible, but rather forced them to rely on Priests for all information. Just because the Bible is in English now doesn't mean that attitude has changed. Organized religions still seek to shoehorn as many people as possible into a specific, narrow version of faith, one that usually provides the organization with power, influence, and wealth. True people of true faith should resist any attempt by someone else to dictate what they should believe, but should arrive at their beliefs through sober consideration and thought. Debate and exposition is great, but far too often, people resort to coercion and force their beliefs on others. And they tell themselves they are doing it because they “love” the other person and want what’s “best” for them. Having good motivations for performing an immoral act of mental bullying does not excuse it, and I doubt a loving God would accept such behavior in the first place.

Sometimes I think the posts here on FSTDT wander a bit towards the pointless. It is easy to fall prey to mocking and swearing at the quotes posted, secure in the knowledge that the vast majority of us here are like-minded and unlikely to engage in debate. The few times we do get a contrary voice, it is usually either a blatant troll, or the person is simply mocked until they go away. I myself have been guilty of this, but I far prefer it when we avoid ad hominem attacks and instead dissect the ridiculous idea instead of the ridiculous person. At times, we come dangerously close to ideological cannibalism here, all feeding off of each other and adding nothing of value to the debate. A closed system (even a system chiefly of rhetoric) is prone to inbred entropy, and I would be sorry to see that happen here on FSTDT. (After all, so many of the quotes are as amusing as they are disturbing.)

So I guess I am the Christian who fell to earth. Skeptical of everything, willing to listen to any non-hateful idea, and with a mind as broad as Oprah’s thighs.



Sandman



PS…Ann Coulter is a nasty piece of work.

7/20/2006 9:11:12 PM

Sandman

Oh hey....waitaminnit.....did you just call me a fundie....?

'Cause them's fightin' words, partner!


LOL :)

7/20/2006 9:38:54 PM

Star Cluster

Totally agree, Sandman. I guess the biggest difference between you and I is that I am no longer theist. I was raised in a devout Christian home (Methodist) and have caught Sunday School and have been a cetified Lay Speaker in the Methodist Church, but all along, I had serious doubt in my mind, even when I was a child. Around 20 years ago, I began a departure from religion that became complete about 2-3 years later.

I respect your beliefs and your doubts for I know from whence you come. If that all religious people were more like you.

7/20/2006 9:45:01 PM

Star Cluster

That was in an earlier post. Sorry.

BTW, we better lay off of this lovefest for a while lest someone tell us to get a room.

7/20/2006 9:46:48 PM

Matilde

Actually, you´re giving a reason why people leave religion. Only 2% of the world population is Catholic. Rare a God is who condenms to hell all his chilren.

8/26/2006 9:44:50 AM

Rahab

Oy. I'm so sick of this Catholic vs. Protestant thing. You both believe in Jesus and his atonement - you just disagree on some of your doctrines. Get over it.

4/19/2007 5:29:24 PM

anti-nonsense

Mirror, mirror on the wall.....

4/19/2007 5:38:01 PM

Katsuro

\"How can people possibly think that 1500 years of Christian teachings can be wrong...\"

Argumentum ad antiquitam anyone?

4/19/2007 7:42:33 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"How can people possibly think that 1500 years of Christian teachings can be wrong"

Easy.
Idiot.

7/10/2013 4:48:37 PM

Quantum Mechanic

easy

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