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[Just because you believe it's true doesn't mean it happened, and neither does 400 people claiming to be raised from the dead make it true without evidence. A larger number of people (as far as I know) claim to have seen and/or been abducted by aliens, does that make it true?]

First off it's not 400 people claiming to be resurrected, its 400 folks who were raised from the dead with hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses.

It's a bit different with UFO's, they don't stick around to testify about it. BUT believe (or don't believe what you want). You follow the old adage, for the non-believer no amount of proof is ever sufficient. For most here no proof is necessary. These things only confirm what we already know.

wcknight, Catholic Answers Forums 25 Comments [7/19/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Tiny Bulcher

When and where did this mass resurrection take place? Or has wcknight just been watching Shaun of the Dead again?

7/20/2006 12:16:51 PM

Zadic

It makes more sense with his original post:

Just because you don't believe it happened does NOT mean that it didn't.

There are over 400 cases of folks having been bought back from the dead by various saints. So even if you don't believe the 2000 year old Bible story there are others who have done the same thing.

The height of arrogance is us telling God He does not exist. That's truly arrogant.


Anyway, this reminds me of those preachers on tv trying to claim they can heal people and \"proving\" it by touching someone who is disabled and then having them jump up and down screaming they can walk. People buy that crap in this day of age, so it would be so much easier to fool believers with this routine hundreds of years ago.

7/20/2006 12:18:27 PM

NotMe

Who are the eye witnesses? People in the same little cult as you are?

I'd like some independant investigation before believing it (like investigating if they were really dead).

7/20/2006 12:22:36 PM

Zadic

The entire thread is a excellent source of fundie logic. I was just reading through it and the following made me laugh out loud:

They will probably be very upset. That said please rethink your position, there is a God

-BBoy


This is in response to the original poster who was asking for help in telling her parents that she was an atheist and that's the complete and entire post by him. Short and to the point with no rhyme or reason. Absolutely classic.

Oh and here's another great one:

Before you completely give up on God, I would suggest that you get down on your knees and tell Him that you don't believe in Him. Tell Him that He's out there, you would like to know. You might be surprised at the results!

-Listener



7/20/2006 12:55:37 PM

Prager

The height of arrogance is us telling God He does not exist. That's truly arrogant.
I have never said that God does not exist. What I deny is the existence of the small petty evil-minded psychopathic thing you call god.

7/20/2006 1:14:30 PM

ssdexecutor

They're not people. They're folks.

7/20/2006 2:08:46 PM

Hadanelith

\"for the non-believer no amount of proof is ever sufficient\"

Nonsense. We just want proof that is independently verifiable. Proof that is only verifiable by believers is no viable proof.

7/20/2006 2:12:24 PM

Star Cluster

TB: This event took place in the Babble just after Jesus was crucified. Amazing, isn't it that such an astounding and earth-shattering event with 'hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses\" was not recorded anywhere by any other contemporary writer of that time. Not one word about it except in the fairytale book about this imaginary god. If something this phenomenal had actually happened, it would have been recorded across the pages of history.

7/20/2006 2:13:28 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

The quote is wrong. It actually reads: \"For the unbeliever, no proof is POSSIBLE. For the believer, no proof is necessary.\" This SIGNIFICANTLY changes the meaning from \"no amount of proof is ever sufficient\".

7/20/2006 2:29:17 PM

David D.G.

In other words, whatever flimsy old anecdotal tale fits your prior beliefs is called \"proof\"? Sorry, that's not how this sort of thing works. Evidence is definitely welcome -- whenever you actually present something worthy of being called \"evidence,\" let alone \"proof.\"


~David D.G.

7/20/2006 2:36:45 PM

Dante's Virgil

Fundies claim to see everything from speaking in tongues to seeing clubbed foots straighten before their eyes. Weirdly, no one else seems to see these miraculous things and doctors can't confirm it. They would probably say that's because they're chosen by god. I say it's because they're off their meds.

7/20/2006 2:44:48 PM

SPark2001

First off it's not 400 people claiming to be resurrected, its 400 folks who were raised from the dead with hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses.
Who are these eyewitnesses? Who are these people who claim to have been ressurected from death? Why hasn't this story been appearing in the news?

7/20/2006 3:13:20 PM

Papabear

\"First off it's not 400 people claiming to be resurrected, its 400 folks who were raised from the dead with hundreds if not thousands of eye witnesses.\"

The claim is without merit. You contend there were \"hundreds if not thousands of eye-witnesses,\" but we have no testimony (zip, zero, zilch) from any of these supposed witnesses to the events in question. Surely the mass resurrection of hundreds of persons would have been THE most remarkable event in these \"witnesses\" lives. Why have we heard nothing from them. Equally important, why have we heard no testimony from those resurrected?


\"It's a bit different with UFO's, they don't stick around to testify about it. BUT believe (or don't believe what you want). You follow the old adage, for the non-believer no amount of proof is ever sufficient.\"

I'm perfectly willing to accept Xian theology with reasonable proof. I think your problem here is that a. you don't really know what constitutes proof and b. even if you do know, you can't find any actual proof to support your theology.


\"For most here no proof is necessary. These things only confirm what we already know.\"

Yes, I agree. You and your Fundie pals are willing to believe all sorts of wild assertions without a lick of proof. You are the ones whose minds are made up. You so desperately wish the Xian myths to be true that you will ignore and berate anything that does not reinforce them.

7/20/2006 3:20:20 PM

TDR

oh please. Really. Please. Just... go away.

7/20/2006 3:20:32 PM

Jaxraven

\"It's a bit different with UFO's, they don't stick around to testify about it.\"

Oddly enough, if you want to find people who claim to have encountered UFO's, you can check the archives Of ANY major newspaper and most minor ones, go to the local library, or heck, stand on a busy streetcorner and ask. There are hundreds, even thousands, of people who not only have 'testified', by which I assume you mean tell what they honestly believe to have seen/encountered, but will continue to do so in a court of law and who often have photos or other witnesses to the same event who will also testify.

Do I believe them? Personally, I'm not sure. I haven't looked into it enough to be certain. But do I believe THEY believe? Yes. I have seen their testimony, their proofs, witnessed their fervor... and it is RECORDED, DOCUMENTED, with modern methods and in modern times. Do I believe that something 2000 years ago, documented in ONE repeatedly re-translated, cobbled-together book, with no other confirming records, no modern testimony, no actual PROOF, happened? Hell no. I'm not that stupid, but thanks for playing.

7/20/2006 5:04:55 PM

Sandman

Ya know...I suspect that a verified, wittnessed ressurection of 400 DEAD PEOPLE, just MIGHT have made the evening news...

7/20/2006 5:18:38 PM

McCulloch

Hey, don't you know. Some of those who were raised from the dead, wrote epistles, had families, had children, roved about the countryside preaching Jesus. Their testimony is well documented. Many of them lived longer the second time than they would have lived otherwise, miracles do that! The apostles, all who wrote after this grand resurection actually listed the names of those who experienced that resurection.

What's that? They didn't? What do you mean? No! They couldn't have been telling that story all of these years without a lick of evidence could they?

7/20/2006 6:59:21 PM

Libkitten

Okay. I'd like you to find someone who can ressurect just one person from the dead while I'm present. After it has been verified that he or she is really dead. Oh, and using only the power of God, of course. None of that dagnabbed science mumbo jumbo.

I'll wait.

7/20/2006 7:08:25 PM

Ice

Yup. So many miracles. But never in front of cameras or in labs, eh? And, the stupider the nation, more miracles it has.

Wow!

7/20/2006 8:13:46 PM

Church Lady the Clown

Well isn't that special?

7/20/2006 8:56:31 PM

Redhunter

I'm assuming they are talking about the supposed mass resurrection of people at the time of the crucifixion. Yeah that would have been something that folks would take note of.

Besides, hundreds of holy dudes spilling out of the ground during an earthquake is kind of big for an opening act, no? Jesus is planning on surprising the world in three days but I would think that his resurrection sort of paled in comparison to the magnificent show a few days earlier. Plus, these other dead guys were dead alot longer than three days. Jesus must've been sort of a let down. Like having the Rolling Stones open for Tag Team.

7/21/2006 7:48:59 AM

Maronan

Standard procedure. Provide vague anecdotal evidence from anonymous \"eyewitnesses.\" When this fails, claim your opponent won't listen to any evidence of any sort.

7/23/2006 4:56:29 AM



Well, I have to conclude that you´re selective in what you believe.

8/8/2009 1:43:33 PM



We have MORE evidence of UFOs than of Jesus coming back from the dead. Even a blurry picture of an unidentifiable light is more proof than they have that Jesus existed at all.

I always found that bit of the Bible interesting though. Could this be described as the world's first zombie plague story? :p

1/22/2010 3:39:22 PM



You didn't answer the question. It's all I can say.

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