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There is no need to use the "T" word -- torture.

God does not and will not torture anyone. It is unbiblical to say that God will torture people -- the Bible never uses the word torture. God punishes them with no intent to teach them, correct them, or reform them. This is not torture.

Quick, Christian Forums 51 Comments [7/21/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Incubusion

... What the hell are you talking about? That sounds pretty much like the definition of torture. Please tell me this guy's just a troll.

7/22/2006 2:40:32 AM

Sandman

Well, I suppose if you define “torture” as the application of physiological or psychological stress to elicit a desired end such as the gathering of information, then to punish “with no intent to teach…, correct…, or reform” is not torture.

It is, in fact, the definition of sadism.

Am I to believe God is a sadist?

7/22/2006 2:57:22 AM

CousinTed

I get it already! God is an asshole! Now why the hell would anyone want to worship him?

7/22/2006 2:58:31 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Uh...

Dude, if God punishes them just to punish them, that is torture.

7/22/2006 3:05:02 AM

Nicole

Have you not read about the wonderful fire and brimstone and eternal damnation bits of the Bible? It still makes your god a sick fucker, whether you label it as torture or not.

7/22/2006 3:27:02 AM

DragonScholar

That eternal punishment thing kinda doesn't make sense then - when is one to apply the lessons?

7/22/2006 3:31:54 AM

Hadanelith

Intentional infliction of pain without intending to teach or punish is by definition torture.

7/22/2006 3:38:33 AM

Dante's Virgil

Then who are all those people gnashing their teeth & whatnot in the bible?

7/22/2006 4:33:11 AM

SPark2001

What's really creepy is that this sounds similar to what abusive parents say when they're trying to make their cruelty seem like regular discipline.

7/22/2006 5:19:03 AM

Amigone201

Okay, I'mma go find another god, that cool with you? Yours is a real asshole.

7/22/2006 5:21:40 AM

Lord Zeruel

Ahhh. I smell the fresh grease in the gears of the Fundy Word Re-Definition Project.

7/22/2006 5:47:35 AM

NotMe

He is right on one point. There is no point in using the T word. Things should just be called by their name because renaming them doesn't solve anything and only adds confusion to the mix.

God does not and will not torture anyone. It is unbiblical to say that God will torture people


Read Job, he has sub contractors to do the torturing bit.

7/22/2006 6:47:08 AM

kkkron

That sounds pretty much like torture to me. Unless the punishment involves standing in a corner with a dunce hat on for eternity, and even that gets boring after a while. Or he could be smart and get other people to do the torturing for him, giving him more time to wallow in the praise of fundies.

7/22/2006 9:45:13 AM

ProperJob

\"God does not torture anyone. The Bible says God never tortures anyone. He just tortures people. This is not torture.\"

7/22/2006 12:09:43 PM

Julian

Sandman said it!

7/22/2006 1:33:38 PM

Julian

Hell's not Jackanory Playhouse either, so your God's still a cunt!

7/22/2006 1:41:01 PM

TDR

oh, I get it! Like burning witches alive to cleanse them, right?

7/22/2006 6:45:27 PM

Star Cluster

Sandman said it, indeed. Add to that the Job story that NotMe mentioned, and you have an extreme sadistic torture. God allows Satan to: kill all of Job's children and their families, have thiefs steal all his possessions, afflict his body with painful boils, yet won't allow Job to die to escape the torment. What a god.

7/22/2006 6:57:42 PM

Sandman

Interestingly enough, up until the Roman Catholic church got it's hands involved, there is considerable evidence that no one really believed that the story of job was meant to be taken literaly. It's probably a lengthy parable meant to teach the virtue of perserverence in the face of adversity. But of course the Bible Literalists reject that absolutely, since if one thing in the Bible is allegory...then what else is? Can you say \"creation?\" I knew you could.

7/22/2006 8:05:56 PM

Berny

Have you ever read the story of Lot? Oh wait, it wasn't God torturing Lot for kicks, it was Satan, with God's approval.
Your God is a sick fuck and you're a stupid fuck for worshipping him and believing all this bullshit is real.

7/22/2006 9:09:19 PM

Redhunter

\"It is unbiblical to say that God will torture people\"

Well I'm unbiblical and I say that sending most of the world to endure gnashing of teeth and wailing in a place from which one can't escape by a being who knew all along that it was going to happen is not only torture, but pre-meditated torture.

Sick fuck indeed.

7/24/2006 7:20:54 AM

hebikage

If your God would torture me, I'll make sure that he'll be crucified upside down!

but wait, he got a disclaimer...\"the Bible never uses the word 'torture'\"...mind if i use the \"F\" word too?

7/24/2006 5:21:39 PM

Duke Stronguy

\"So, you've been burning for 10,000 years. Have you learned your lesson yet?\"

\"YES!!!\"

\"Good. Now keep burning.\"

I dunno, but that seems pretty torture-like to me.

7/24/2006 5:46:26 PM

tracer

Have you not read about the wonderful fire and brimstone and eternal damnation bits of the Bible?

No ... because such a thing doesn't actually exist in the Bible.

Revelation 20 describes a lake of fire that tortures Satan and the Beast for all eternity, and into which mere mortal non-Christian souls will be thrown 1000 years after the Second Coming. The Gospels mention sinners being sent to the fires of hell (\"Where the fire never goes out\" -- Mark 9:43). But in neither case is it made clear whether the fire will torture the non-Christian for all eternity or merely burn him up and destroy him.

7/24/2006 9:08:17 PM

Brandon

And all the while he is punishing you remember that he loves you.

7/25/2006 12:30:55 AM
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