There is no need to use the "T" word -- torture.
God does not and will not torture anyone. It is unbiblical to say that God will torture people -- the Bible never uses the word torture. God punishes them with no intent to teach them, correct them, or reform them. This is not torture.
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Well, I suppose if you define “torture” as the application of physiological or psychological stress to elicit a desired end such as the gathering of information, then to punish “with no intent to teach
, correct
, or reform” is not torture.
It is, in fact, the definition of sadism.
Am I to believe God is a sadist?
That sounds pretty much like torture to me. Unless the punishment involves standing in a corner with a dunce hat on for eternity, and even that gets boring after a while. Or he could be smart and get other people to do the torturing for him, giving him more time to wallow in the praise of fundies.
Sandman said it, indeed. Add to that the Job story that NotMe mentioned, and you have an extreme sadistic torture. God allows Satan to: kill all of Job's children and their families, have thiefs steal all his possessions, afflict his body with painful boils, yet won't allow Job to die to escape the torment. What a god.
Interestingly enough, up until the Roman Catholic church got it's hands involved, there is considerable evidence that no one really believed that the story of job was meant to be taken literaly. It's probably a lengthy parable meant to teach the virtue of perserverence in the face of adversity. But of course the Bible Literalists reject that absolutely, since if one thing in the Bible is allegory...then what else is? Can you say "creation?" I knew you could.
Have you ever read the story of Lot? Oh wait, it wasn't God torturing Lot for kicks, it was Satan, with God's approval.
Your God is a sick fuck and you're a stupid fuck for worshipping him and believing all this bullshit is real.
"It is unbiblical to say that God will torture people"
Well I'm unbiblical and I say that sending most of the world to endure gnashing of teeth and wailing in a place from which one can't escape by a being who knew all along that it was going to happen is not only torture, but pre-meditated torture.
Sick fuck indeed.
"So, you've been burning for 10,000 years. Have you learned your lesson yet?"
"YES!!!"
"Good. Now keep burning."
I dunno, but that seems pretty torture-like to me.
Have you not read about the wonderful fire and brimstone and eternal damnation bits of the Bible?
No ... because such a thing doesn't actually exist in the Bible.
Revelation 20 describes a lake of fire that tortures Satan and the Beast for all eternity, and into which mere mortal non-Christian souls will be thrown 1000 years after the Second Coming. The Gospels mention sinners being sent to the fires of hell ("Where the fire never goes out" -- Mark 9:43). But in neither case is it made clear whether the fire will torture the non-Christian for all eternity or merely burn him up and destroy him.
No torture intents to teach or correct but to make people suffer. And God is he so deterministic, such a cruel tyrant that punishes us without giving us a chance?, what about his good thief in the cross?
God does not and will not torture anyone.
Quick is technically correct, guys - god doesn't torture anybody. He has people who do it for him.
Darling: So you see, Blackadder, Field Marshal Haig is most anxious to eliminate all these German spies.
Melchett: Filthy Hun weasels fighting their dirty underhand war!
Darling: And, fortunately, one of *our* spies--
Melchett: Splendid fellows, brave heroes, risking life and limb for Blighty!
Darling: ...has discovered that the leak is coming from the Field Hospital.
(Black Adder IV: General Hospital)
Lovely. So if I were to seal you naked in a pit of broken glass, platypus venom, lemon juice, and black widow spiders, then shove candle lighters in your ears every night the moment you cry yourself to sleep(or pass out from my beatings and my professional sadistic rapist's extracurricular activities) and fill up your empty eye sockets with molten tar, THAT isn't torture so long as I don't intend to GET anything from you?
What? Food? You've got spiders and feces, don't ya?
By that logic, locking a criminal you never intend to release up and subjecting him to daily electroshock sessions, controlled starvation, beatings and waterboarding sessions for all the remaining days of his life for the sole purpose of listening to him scream his sanity away isn't torture, either, since you're just punishing him with no intent to teach him, correct him or reform him.
If you truly think this, then no, you don't deserve to have your voice heard in civilized society.
Definition of "torture" according to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/torture
tor·ture
/'t?rt??r/ -tured, -tur·ing.
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
verb (used with object)
6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).
Ok, ok, he doesn't torture people, he just sadistically causes them mental and physical suffering so they will do as they're told...
Oh, wait...that's torture. Get a dictionary.
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