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[How science would be taught in a Fundie's ideal world]

1. In a typical day's one-hour science class session, about 45 minutes would be spent studying science, operational science, which is basically the science that most scientists agree about, whether they are Bible-believing scientists or materialistic-only scientists.

2. Then, about 12 minutes would be spent teaching origins science. The materialistic-only theories would be dismissed for a lack of objective evidence, and students would learn the wonderful truth of how the world has come to be the way it is today following creation, Adam and Eve, the flood, etc.

3. Then, the last three minutes would be spent reviewing Darwin's and the Neo's theories of evolution along with other myths of origins, like Greek mythology, American Indian legends and such as that. These wouldn't be taught for their education value, but as a warning to children that when they step away from objective reality, they open themselves up to becoming vulnerable to all kinds of kooky ideas.

Dave, Evolution Fairytale Forums 27 Comments [7/22/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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NotMe

Why do they discuss religion in a science class? It has no place there what so ever. And why discuss 3 or 4 subjects in 45 minutes? Get 4 class sessions to go further into each subject.

7/22/2006 10:43:01 PM

JohnRaptor

\"The materialistic-only theories would be dismissed for a lack of objective evidence,\"

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Materialistic-only theories are based on nothing but objective evidence. That's what makes them materialistic-only. If they were based on faith, they'd be religious theories.

I mean, fundies will spend half the day telling you how faith is better than evidence, and the second half telling you how evolution is bad because it's not based on evidence. *throws up hands in disgust*

7/22/2006 10:43:30 PM

Jeremy PC

Thanks Dave, now put this pointy hat on and stand in the corner.

7/22/2006 11:11:12 PM

Jeremy

1. In a typical day's one-hour science class session, about 45 minutes would be spent studying science, operational science, which is basically the science that most scientists agree about, whether they are Bible-believing scientists or materialistic-only scientists.

Whew! I was afraid you were going to tell us we couldn't teach evolution!

7/22/2006 11:23:19 PM

David D.G.

JohnRaptor and Jeremy, thanks for making exactly the points that I would have made, since I would have been far too incoherent with anger at this post to have made them that well.


~David D.G.

7/22/2006 11:37:46 PM

CousinTed

Even if you ignore the whole \"Creation\" bullshit prevelent throughout the post, that's a pretty damn retarded way to run a science class. I don't know how things work in the US, but up here in Canada we have a little something called \"Units\" in our science classes; you spend the entire class time teaching one basic subject, after you've covered everything important in one subject you move onto the next. You simply cannot teach anything important in only twelve minutes.

7/23/2006 12:00:33 AM

Darfasti

You guys have to remember that Dave probably has no experience being in a science class. Give him a break.

7/23/2006 12:16:21 AM

Rime

It's too bad Darwin is their pet cause. It would have been oodles easier to shoehorn God into nuclear physics.

How does an electron stay in a shell with other electrons which it also repels, but not be fatally attracted to the proton, nor lose energy and crash into the nucleus. God power, I think, would have been much easier to shoehorn than creation \"science\"

7/23/2006 1:12:51 AM

Sandman

Creationism is many things. It can be poetic and beautiful, it can be harsh and unremitting. It can be gentle and inclusive, it can also be strict and dogmatic. In fact it can be almost anything.

But the one thing it is not and can never be is \"objective.\"

7/23/2006 1:18:25 AM

Denizen

Go fuck yourself, Dave.

7/23/2006 2:50:24 AM

Hadanelith

You know nothing about science. Go away.

7/23/2006 3:06:48 AM

Patches

The creationists on that form are very fond of sneeringly referring to us as \"materialistic-only\" scientists, as if it was somehow derogatory, like \"you silly water-only swimmers\".

I wonder how much he'd change his tune if his mother got mysteriously murdered, and he ended up with a \"non-materialistic\" forensic scientist on the case. \"Well, I think God created your mother with a bullet in her skull, and just made it LOOK like someone murdered her to test your faith.\"

7/23/2006 5:17:08 AM

themann1086

JohnRaptor said it already, but jeez how freaking Orwellian can these people get...

7/23/2006 5:42:29 AM

Napoleon the Clown

*Kills over laughing at just how ludicrous this is.*

7/23/2006 8:48:35 AM

Berny

\"Well, I think God created your mother with a bullet in her skull, and just made it LOOK like someone murdered her to test your faith.\" - Patches (#60663)

Beautiful! I couldn't have written it better myself. Touche, sir (or madam)

7/23/2006 1:53:06 PM

Papabear

I is patently obvious that Dave has no experience with teaching. It is simply not reasonable to expect a class to be habitually planned and executed done to the minute like that.


If you can give a good body of solid evidence that creation by a deity is likely, then I think it should be taught in schools. Until then, take your \"kooky ideas\" and shove them back up your butt from whence they came.

7/23/2006 6:17:36 PM

Papabear

\"In a typical day's one-hour science class session, about 45 minutes would be spent studying science, operational science, which is basically the science that most scientists agree about, whether they are Bible-believing scientists or materialistic-only scientists.\"

But, to be a \"Bible-believing scientist\" one would not only have to believe in creationism, but a flat earth at the center of the universe, no rainbows until after the Flood, rain falling from windows in heaven, breeding striped goats by having the parent goats view stiped sticks, bats are birds, etc.. Us materialistic-only types aren't likely to agree with a \"Bible-believing scientist\" on much of anything, certainly not 3/4 of the science curriculum.

7/24/2006 2:35:47 AM

Redhunter

And yet anyone with brains in their head would still see through your biased agenda and learn the truth on their own.

7/24/2006 6:55:25 AM

Mike

Would someone time the teacher to see if they went over three minutes?

7/24/2006 9:40:43 AM

DCoke

I was really confused for a moment. Then I realized that you must be drunk.

7/24/2006 11:05:33 AM

tracer

But, to be a \"Bible-believing scientist\" one would not only have to believe in creationism, but a flat earth at the center of the universe, no rainbows until after the Flood, rain falling from windows in heaven, breeding striped goats by having the parent goats view stiped sticks, bats are birds, etc..

Well ... the \"bats are birds\" conundrum could've simply been a linguistic/translation quirk from the Hebrew.

But the bits about rabbits chewing the cud, or about insects having 4 legs, are another matter....

7/24/2006 10:22:07 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

\"materialistic-only theories would be dismissed for a lack of objective evidence\" <choke>

Four times as much work on your dogmatic little sky-fairy theory as on rational, thought-out, constantly improving theories based upon observation and showing all stages in their derivation. That sounds fair and balanced to me.

7/29/2006 3:51:38 PM

Robbie

Why the hell even pretend? You've basically admitted to omitting facts you find inconvenient, dismissing theories based on lack of evidence and providing several that have none, and teaching children that the Christian myth is vastly superior to all other myths for no real reason.

It's not fucking science. It's science fucking.

8/1/2007 1:58:05 PM

Freboy

Do you do debates in science class in the states? That's odd.

Oh, sorry, just a Fundie ranting.

8/1/2007 2:52:56 PM

Tomby Stone


I wonder how much he'd change his tune if his mother got mysteriously murdered, and he ended up with a \"non-materialistic\" forensic scientist on the case. \"Well, I think God created your mother with a bullet in her skull, and just made it LOOK like someone murdered her to test your faith.\"

Thankyou Patches that was hilarious, I'm totally stealing it.

8/1/2007 4:44:49 PM
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