By all means, show me your evidence that GAP is wrong. Show me your evidence that there was no Garden in Eden and that there was not a man and a women in the Garden by the name of Adam and Eve. While your at it can you tell me why snakes do not have legs, because it talks about that in there also.
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We could give you all the evidence you ask for, but really...would you really listen or even comprehend it?
We don't bother trying to convince you because you're clearly beyond help at this point. Besides, it's much more fun to just point and laugh.
Papabear: We have to talk to JohnR7 in small words, simple sentences, and uncomplicated concepts, or his poor little pair of brain cells will blow a fuse. While I may be technically wrong, The average person on the street will indeed differentiate between lizards and snakes based on legs (or lack thereof).
@Papabear
Hadanelith -- Actually there are at least two species of leg-less lizards. As I remember, snakes are differentiated from lizards by ear construction, not by legs.
Yep. The Glass lizard and the Slowworm .
Huzzah for Wikipedia and knowing one of them off-hand.
Heh, he just reminded me of an endemic species over here, of a lizard who eventually evolved to look like a snake. Unlike snakes, he has tiny somethings that used to be his legs, but he completely looks like a snake.
Sure, JohnR7, I can show you a legged snake, only, if you look closely, you'll see it's a lizard.
Evolution of Snakes
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http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/articles/snake_vestigial_limb.html
LENNY FLANK WRITES: "As an aside, we now know, from genetic analysis, why snakes don't have vestigial FRONT limbs. During the evolutionary appearance of snakes, there was a change in one of the HOX genes that shifted the body plan forward a bit. As a result, snakes now have no neck vertebrae --- they are all thoracic and abdominal. Since, genetically, front limbs appear right where the cervical vertebrae begin, snakes can't have front limbs. The vestigial rear limbs appear where the abdominal vertebrae meet the tail. As photos show, the tail of a snake is extremely short. So, even though a snake LOOKS like it is all neck or all tail, in reality, it is all body."
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Sorry John, 100 million years ago snakes had legs.
http://www.digimorph.org/specimens/Pachyrhachis_problematicus/
Okay, JohnR7, you bastion of intelligence, answer me this. If the talking serpent in the Garden of Eden was smart enough to trick Eve into eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, because as the Babble says he was more subtil than all the other creatures, would that not make the serpent more intelligent, therefore above humans on the creation scale? And if God created the serpent this way, then He created the cause and effect for Adam and Eve's fall. Oh, what's that you say, it was the Devil that entered into the serpent? Then why punish the serpent for something he had no control over? If Satan had control over him, the serpents actions were not his own. Looks like to me, if the story of the Garden of Eden is true, then God comes off as an unethical asshole either way.
You want evidence the GAP is wrong? Just look at the prices for goodness' sake! And the lousy selection -- don't get me started! Of course, Old Navy isn't any better. Hot Topic at least has some entertainment value going for it, even if it is even more outrageously overpriced than the others.
... What were we talking about?
~David D.G.
Actually a friend of mine has figured out that the Garden of Eden was in east Yorkshire. Because when Adam and Eve got chucked out they went west to live in the Land of Nod (seriously, look it up) and there's a village in north Yorkshire called Nod. Hence Eden must be in east Yorkshire.
Of course there is the option that the story is made up but Yorkshire has to be there for a reason....
So until we search the universe, and NOT find Eden, it exists. Until we find every skeleton, and they do NOT have Adam and Eve nametags, they HAD to exist. Sorry, buds. It's impossible to prove a negative. If you want believers from our camp, you have to have evidence to their existence.
Variant of the "positivism" apologetics. And entertaining the opposite of science, to reject all inconvenient science, denial. Science is not in the business of "disproving God". However, it has provided so much more insight about the world than the claims of ancient people, like the compilations in Genesis. And unlike myths, science does not begin with the conclusion.
Star Cluster was really onto something. Even without science, intelligent enough humans are capable of analysis and can defeat many ancient claims, or discern their context. Non-confessional mainstream theology is enough to understand those texts.
Once that is done, I suggest reading about geology and biology. Actual college level textbooks. And references like Wikipedia, including "Evidence of common descent" and its sources. In theory, if you're like me and have an inquisitive mind yet used to be completely mislead by propaganda, you should by then be more open to try to really understand how science and the processes it discovered work. You could never go back to extremely simplist visions of the world like the Genesis myths, but you would understand those myths even better. As well as the psychology of religion, because you'll remember your old beliefs, the justification arguments, how you were indoctrinated into them and why and how those arguments are flawed. I also recommend reading one of the many books on critical thinking and logical fallacies.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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