Janet #fundie

Janet #fundie nightmareproject.com

I had just lain down, my head on the pillow and blankets pulled over me. The bedroom was dark.

Something came through the wall and hovered over me. It was Jesus, bathed in radiance, his face so close and so real that I felt I could touch it. His eyes looked of golden sand. He spoke to me in a language I had never heard, but I still understood and nodded, as if saying, "Okay, okay, okay..."

Then another man appeared, kneeling at the side of my bed. Dressed in a robe, he also had a glowing appearance. He placed a Bible on my bed. Jesus started talking with him in the same language, but I no longer understood what he was saying. The man opened the Bible to its first book, Genesis. Across the pages were written THE END THE END THE END in many different languages.

As they continued to talk, I yelled, "What are you saying? Why is the beginning the end?" Why? Why? Why?" Jesus gave me a look of anger, and they both disappeared. I woke up screaming so loud that I even woke my mother.

This experience seemed so real that I still question whether it was a dream. I'm interested in your interpretations. Has anyone had a similar experience? Do you think a message was being sent to me?

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old comment by AJC

Jesus does appear at times in Dreams & Visions to whom he chooses to. Many times his messages are in parables (Riddles) that need discernment & wisdom to understand. I can not say if you were just having a dream or not, but I would suspect that if it is more than just a dream, something similar will happen again.
The fact that you saw the Bible, and in the Book of Genesis were written the words “THE END THE END THE END” in many different languages, implies that the "Time for Jesus to return is close", for the Bible goes from Genesis (Beginning) to Revelation (End). How do I know Jesus speaks sometimes in Dreams/Visions is because he has spoken to me. As for you who think the Bible is just a book of fables irrelevant to our time, try reading it with an open mind & heart. You will find God, and his Lovely Son Jesus in its pages, and you will see that it is relevant for our time, and all eternity.

old comment by David D.G.

AJC #67507
Jesus does appear at times in Dreams & Visions to whom he chooses to. Many times his messages are in parables (Riddles) that need discernment & wisdom to understand. I can not say if you were just having a dream or not, but I would suspect that if it is more than just a dream, something similar will happen again. The fact that you saw the Bible, and in the Book of Genesis were written the words “THE END THE END THE END” in many different languages, implies that the "Time for Jesus to return is close", for the Bible goes from Genesis (Beginning) to Revelation (End). How do I know Jesus speaks sometimes in Dreams/Visions is because he has spoken to me. As for you who think the Bible is just a book of fables irrelevant to our time, try reading it with an open mind & heart. You will find God, and his Lovely Son Jesus in its pages, and you will see that it is relevant for our time, and all eternity. AJC, parables are not riddles; parables are analogies. Dreams are not either of these; they are the result in the mind of the brain's largely random neuron work during sleep. And if you have Jesus on the brain a lot, your chances of having a dream incorporating your idea of him escalates enormously. As for your interpretation of Janet's dream, surely it would have made more sense for Jesus (or whoever) to have shown Revelation rather than Genesis if the message concerned his imminent return -- or even for him to point out a specific passage, or (and here's a wild idea) for him to simply STATE, unequivocally and unambiguously, whatever message he had, and not in a dream but in some objective medium that would not require interpretation (e.g., flaming letters in the sky that get seen by millions of people simultaneously). Seriously, we treat the Bible as fairy tales because it makes no more sense than fairy tales; it is mythology and lore, largely borrowed, frequently at odds with logic as well as known science and history. I appreciate your well-intentioned concern, but please consider opening your own mind to the possibility that you've simply been had. ~David D.G.

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David D.G - #67535
David, I respect your views, but I do not agree with them. You are correct that a Parable is an analogy, many times it was more like a riddle, for the ones it was told to did not understand it's hidden meaning. An example would be: The Parable Of The Sower And The Seed (Matthew 13:1-23) 10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, As for the way God communicates with Mankind, it is usually in "Signs (Odd coincidences orchestrated by God), or Dreams or Visions." There are many examples of this in the Bible: Jacob's Dream (Gen 28:1-22 Joseph the Dreamer (Gen 37, 39-45) God Calls Samuel in a Dream (1 Samuel 1:9-28) King Nebuchadnezzar's Dream (Daniel 2) The Writing on the Wall (Daniel 5) Another Joseph Has Dreams (Mt 1:18-25; 2:12-23) Gabriel Appears to Mary (Lk 1:26-38) Peter Has a Vision (Acts 12:1-19) Joel 2:28-31 28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. 30 I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

old comment by David D.G.

AJC #67555
David, I respect your views, but I do not agree with them. You are correct that a Parable is an analogy, many times it was more like a riddle, for the ones it was told to did not understand it's hidden meaning. An example would be: The Parable Of The Sower And The Seed (Matthew 13:1-23) ... As for the way God communicates with Mankind, it is usually in "Signs (Odd coincidences orchestrated by God), or Dreams or Visions." There are many examples of this in the Bible: Jacob's Dream (Gen 28:1-22 Joseph the Dreamer (Gen 37, 39-45) God Calls Samuel in a Dream (1 Samuel 1:9-28) King Nebuchadnezzar's Dream (Daniel 2) The Writing on the Wall (Daniel 5) Another Joseph Has Dreams (Mt 1:18-25; 2:12-23) Gabriel Appears to Mary (Lk 1:26-38) Peter Has a Vision (Acts 12:1-19) ... ---------------------------- AJC, you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible. That is called circular reasoning, a fallacy in logic, and it doesn't hold up. Also, one can find instances of people having prophetic dreams in most mythologies that I'm aware of, from Native American and Inuit to Egyptian, Greek, Hindu, and Norse. Much the same thing happens in several fairy tales and legends as well. The fact that exactly the same kind of incident occurs in the Bible doesn't boost its credibility as fact; it actually reduces it and supports the view that the Bible IS myth. Another underlying point here is that you think it possible that dreams can constitute any kind of communication whatsoever. Find a study that has proved this. It may take you awhile. ~David D.G.

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David D.G. - #67597
Hi David, I am using the those Bible examples to show you that God or Jesus does communicate in Dream/Visions. So what happened to Janet (I am not saying that it wasn't just a dream) could be an actual message from God, because he does communicate that way. Also, I have personally experienced this where someone that has been given the "Spiritual Gift of Prophesy" (My wife) sees the Lord in Dream/Visions. he also has communicated directly to me through her in a trance out of a deep sleep, usually around 5:00 AM. (My wife has no memory of this, but only if she is spoken to in a Dream/Visions). When this first started it was only after my wife was Born-Again (Excepted Jesus as her Personal Savior), and she told me she was seeing the Lord in her dreams. I told her, "Don't worry it's only a dream", but then one day he spoke to her in her dreams!! He told her to tell me to go read certain scriptures, of which they were not only there, never wrong (Meaning go the passage numbers wrong), but my wife being a baby Christian and never studying the bible could certainly not quote. Heck, I don't know anybody with the Biblical Knowledge that has been spoken through her. On a personal level, the Lord has told us certain things would happen, and they always did "Exactly". He has also told me other things like in the Jan. 2005, that, "In a few years the oceans are going to start to rise and come in further than anyone would believe. Not all at once, but gradually. It was better to be 'In the Land' than on the coasts." He told me, "My time to return is closer than many believe, but believe it my son." I have experienced these things myself. That is why I believe that what Janet saw, may be from the Lord. Time will tell. That is also why I interpreted it the way I did. My Spiritual Gift is "Discernment". These things are real David, not made up. AJC 1 Corinthians 12 Spiritual Gifts 1Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. 4There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. 7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. 12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one bodywhether Jews or Greeks, slave or freeand we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

old comment by David D.G.

AJC #67829
Hi David, I am using the those Bible examples to show you that God or Jesus does communicate in Dream/Visions. So what happened to Janet (I am not saying that it wasn't just a dream) could be an actual message from God, because he does communicate that way. AJC, the circular reasoning is that you are starting with the premise that the Bible is proof of God, of dream communication by God, etc.; it isn't! It is proof of myth beliefs and very little else. To give biblical examples of God giving prophecies through dreams means NOTHING regarding the veracity of those claims. Also, I have personally experienced this where someone that has been given the "Spiritual Gift of Prophesy" (My wife) sees the Lord in Dream/Visions. he also has communicated directly to me through her in a trance out of a deep sleep, usually around 5:00 AM. (My wife has no memory of this, but only if she is spoken to in a Dream/Visions). When this first started it was only after my wife was Born-Again (Excepted Jesus as her Personal Savior), and she told me she was seeing the Lord in her dreams. I told her, "Don't worry it's only a dream", but then one day he spoke to her in her dreams!! He told her to tell me to go read certain scriptures, of which they were not only there, never wrong (Meaning go the passage numbers wrong), but my wife being a baby Christian and never studying the bible could certainly not quote. Heck, I don't know anybody with the Biblical Knowledge that has been spoken through her. On a personal level, the Lord has told us certain things would happen, and they always did "Exactly". He has also told me other things like in the Jan. 2005, that, "In a few years the oceans are going to start to rise and come in further than anyone would believe. Not all at once, but gradually. It was better to be 'In the Land' than on the coasts." He told me, "My time to return is closer than many believe, but believe it my son." I have experienced these things myself. That is why I believe that what Janet saw, may be from the Lord. Time will tell. That is also why I interpreted it the way I did. My Spiritual Gift is "Discernment". For a spiritual gift, your discernment is incredibly gullible. You speak of things coming true "Exactly" as prophesied, yet the examples you give are both things that have been in either the news or in fundamentalist culture for years (global warming and the Second Coming, respectively), both with long-term timetables and NO final outcome having occurred as described yet, so you cannot possibly make a claim about either being "Exactly" as your wife predicted (though at least global warming has some proof of being in the process of getting there). So I'd say that your notion of "Exactly" fulfilled prophecy is nearly as far off the mark as it can get. As for her knowing Bible verses you wouldn't expect her to know as a "Baby Christian," maybe you're not giving her enough credit -- or maybe you're just finding ways to apply those verses she names at random to whatever circumstances you're in, just like people who read Tarot cards. It's the same phenomenon, and it's astoundingly easy to fool oneself at this. That's why what you've "personally experienced" as prescience carries little weight. Example: When I was younger, I personally experienced a seeming prescience regarding episodes of Star Trek, finding that the episode of the day was one that I had just been thinking about earlier that day or the evening before. It was a while before I realized that I tended to think about the show all the time and might ponder aspects of 30 different episodes in an afternoon, and would just conveniently forget all the others that I had thought about but that were not shown that next day. Not only that, but the station showing it always presented the episodes in the same order, so I may have gotten used to knowing which ones followed which on a subconscious level. What seemed like prescience was merely obsession. These things are real David, not made up. AJC I don't think you're making it up; I think you are entirely sincere. That's what is especially sad and a little frightening. Adults should know better. ~David D.G.

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David D.G. - #67851
David, when I gave you the Prophesy I was told in Jan. 2005 that, "In a few years the oceans are going to start to rise and come on further than anyone would believe, not all at once but gradually", I understand that it hasn't happened yet. I also understand that current scientific predictions of Global Warming predict something like 18" sea level rise by the end of the 21st century. Not an immediate sea level rise in the near future. Although the Lord told me "In a few years" I distinctly felt in my spirit that mean soon, perhaps 3-5 years, not the End of the 21st Century. On a personal level, the Lord has told us things like, "Get ready for such and such, next week this will happen", etc. Whatever he says "Will Happen" always happens "Exactly". The business of the Bible scriptures I was told to read, through my wife in a trace are way beyond her knowledge, mine, or most folks. An example would be on several occasions the Lord told me to go read 3 different scriptures, in 3 different books of the bible, and then come back. (We are having a conversation at this point through my wife in a trance.) Only after I did this did I realize they told the same message. My son, get the bible, go into the bathroom and wash your face, and read Matthew 16:24, 27. Then come back. Matthew 16:24-27 Take Up the Cross and Follow Him 24Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Don't sit down. Go back into the bathroom, and read Mark 8:34-38. Then read Luke 9:23-27, and Luke 9:23-27.” Now Go.!!! Mark 8:34-38 Take Up the Cross and Follow Him 34When He had called the people to Himself, with His disciples also, He said to them, "Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 35For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it. 36For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? 37Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 38For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." Luke 9:23-27 Take Up the Cross and Follow Him 23Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. 24For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it. 25For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost? 26For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father's, and of the holy angels. 27But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." On another occasion: Who do you think is speaking to you? (I answered, “Someone who knows that Bible better that anybody I have ever known”.) (The Lord had told me to read once before, Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:26-27, and Luke 20:37-38, concerning whom was speaking to me.) Matthew 22:32 32"I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Mark 12:26-27 26But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? 27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken." Luke 20:37-38 37But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord "the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.' 38For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." David, I can not say that I or my wife are anybody so special that we deserve the Lord's Attention. it is something that he initiated, not us. God and Jesus are very real. I dot not believe just because I am "Brain Wasted", I believe because I have experienced his love, power and presence. I have also see "Super Natural Occurrences" after he told me to, "Look into my wife's eyes". My son, turn on the light and look into Alavella's Eyes. (I did as the Lord commanded, and turned the light on, and looked into Alavella's Eyes.) Now turn the light back off. My son, what did you see? Lord, I just saw her eyes. (I looked around every time after doing this, to see if I would see a hand, or robe like I saw on my Birthday 11/11/04, after the Lord made me look into her eyes.) My son, turn the light back on and look into Alavella's Eyes again, and move her hair out of the way so you can see her eyes well. (I did as instructed.) Turn the light off. My son, what did you see? Lord, I just saw her eyes. They Look far away, and she doesn't see me. My son, search your heart. Turn the light back on and look into Alavella's Eyes again, and move her hair out of the way so you can see her eyes well. Alavella “Open your eyes wide”. (I turned the light on, looked deep into her eyes which were wide open now. They were “Greenish, Gray, and a Little Blue, and the White parts were Very Red”.) My son, what did you see? Lord, her eyes are Greenish, Gray, with a Little Blue, and kind of Bloodshot. My son, “Those are not Alavella's Eyes”. (I felt a chill go down my spine.) My son, turn the light back on and look into Alavella's Eyes again. (I turned the light back on, and looked into her eyes. They were “Piercing, Greenish, Gray, with a Little Blue, and kind of Bloodshot”. They looked very “Sorrowful”, and with a lot of pain. They looked deep into my eyes, then looked away, and then looked back deep into my eyes again. It frightened me somewhat.) I am not going to return and speak to you this way again for a while until you do my commands. Alavella, Go back to sleep. (She immediately laid back down, and was asleep.) In the morning I asked Alavella about the Lord's Eyes in her Dreams when she sees him. She told me, “They were “Piercing, Greenish, Gray, with a Little Blue, and kind of Bloodshot”. They looked very “Sorrowful”, and with a lot of pain, like they carried all the “Pain of the World”. Also, I looked at Alavella's eyes. They are Brown, with a little Gold. The Whites are very White. (I did this no more than 20 minutes after the Lord finished talking to me, by turning on the light, because it was not yet light outside. These were not the “Same Pain Filled Eyes” that had looked back at me before. It reminded me of what “Jesus Eyes” may have looked like when he looked down from the cross.) David, if you seek him with you "Heart and in Truth" you will find him. :) AJC

old comment by David D.G.

AJC, let me get this straight -- you were staring into your wife's eyes, repeatedly, and didn't notice that they were NOT THE RIGHT COLOR (i.e., had changed from brown to hazel) until they changed back into their natural color (back to brown again)? If this ever happens again, take photos of her eyes during and afterward (and take some beforehand so you have a "baseline" to work from) it's the first thing you've suggested that might constitute objective evidence. But even then, it's evidence only of a pretty weird eyeball phenomenon, not of supernatural communication -- and that's assuming the photos show what you think you saw.
As for the rest of this "trance" business, dude, you seriously need an education in psychology (or at least treatment in it). I would say that you both are both amazingly susceptible to autohypnotic suggestion and tend to reinforce this in each other. I don't know if there's any treatment for that, but I think you should try to find out. Meanwhile, that's enough "sharing" for me. You're creeping me out. ~David D.G.

old comment by Redhunter

@David D.G., just got done reading your exchange with AJC. Wow. These people sit up early in the morning when they should be enjoying REM sleep, they play with mom in a trance and flip the lights on and off, they are surprised that they 'see' stuff. After figuring in bible brainwashing, possible mental deficiencies, medication, gas leaks etc. it is very scary.
As for Janet's dream, it sounds like she is confused by the bible, thinks her god is angry, and is aware that she is annoying to others when they are trying to have a discussion. The part about the beginning really being the end is due to her watching 'Memento' before she went to bed. Case closed.

Janet #fundie nightmareproject.com

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